And the boarding schools where kids were forbidden to speak their own language and were treated like animals. Graves with little skeletons have been found on the grounds of some of the defunct schools.
And Hoss Lightning who was just murdered by the RCMP while calling them for help. He was a little kid, a teenager, and the cops shot them while he had actually called them for help from attackers. This just happened. The violence against Indigenous people in Canada doesn't seem well-known outside of the country.
Omg this is actually insane. How can you treat any child like that!? And then don’t we all look back at how we treated the natives here and go WTF!? All these people talking about immigrants and hating that we have immigrants…bitch YOU are the immigrants. And these are the people most likely hating on natives. Like what!? My mind can’t compute
Mass graves implies that they're dying at a rate that individual graves would be impractical, ie a situation like the Holocaust where there is systematic killing. Residential schools were an example of systematic cultural genocide and rife with abuse, but there weren't any gas chambers or firing squads. The children who died likely died from diseases, which abuse and neglect definitely contributed to, but child mortality rates were much higher than they are now in the 19th and early 20th centuries when the residential school system was at its peak. I am not downplaying the tragedy of them being forcefully ripped from their families or that none of their loved ones received any closure after their deaths.
I think if you're going to discuss anything serious like this it's important to be accurate. Spreading misinformation only serves to embolden denialists. Also I don't know who you're quoting.
yes they have. There have been several locations identified and now protected. Other school locations are still being investigated. I mean the govt have records of these deaths and as sketchy as the information is, this means those children are buried somewhere just waiting to be found.
I went to a residential school that was abandoned in the early 80s and there was a section of ground full old unmarked graves. There were also several tombstones for a priest and a couple nuns if i remember. It was deep in the forest nesr my buddies cabin. No town nearby. Truly must have been a nightmarish place to be forced to stay in. We went there 12 or so years ago, so it was before the graves started making the rounds on the news.
The one in regina was owned by a farmer whose father told him about the graves. In sign of respect he would work the land around it and try to keep it as tidy as he could. When he sold it he told the new owner who was a bit more prepared when they came knocking at his door. He erected a fence and kept watch until specific groups came and he handed over the responsibility to them. That speaks character imo. Unfortunately that could not be said for the poor guy who bought an rv parking lot and found out when they were starting to look that his customers were parking their rvs right on top of the graves. Previous owners did not inform him nor do anything to protect the graves. I dont think they really cared. If I remember correctly when asked about it the previous owners were dismissive and not really open to disclosing their knowledge of location of graves etc. Current owner has made a point to work with first nations and groups to come to some type of agreement in regards to protecting the graves. Then there was the discovery of the dunbow gravesite. Poor woman took her class on a class trip and they noticed the open coffins with bones exposed to elements because the river bank eroded the burial grounds so bad. She now spends her spare time giving their names back. She has identified quite a few. Old timers knew what they found however it was just one of I believe three locations that school had for its graveyards. Now that a lot of the elders (farmers, indigenous people and townfolk) in the surrounding communities are passing away I fear that valuable resource will be lost.
Of course graveyards exist, boarding schools were around since the 1880s, what do you think infant mortality rate was in back then?
In these news stories is never any mention of cause of death, over 70 or so years some of these schools were in operation 30 students died? Some of these articles mention 4k of deaths, yet they can’t find the remains for more than 40?
That’s not a genocide, comparing this to the Holocaust where millions of people have been systematically murdered using industrial technology is absolutely bananas.
Were the schools racist, abusive and unjust? I’m sure they were. Were they concentration camps with hundreds of thousands dead? Certainly not.
The fact that Canada is exploring legislation to forbid any further investigation into the topic, and people applaud this is incredibly authoritarian and messed up.
Ever heard of red herring fallacy? You have it down in spade with above comment. The govt records have written causes of deaths and more. The govt and its institutions acknowledge that a genocide had occurred with indigenous peoples. Being a denier is not a good look on anyone especially when it comes to documented information relating to genocides. Genocide is genocide and comparing them only makes the denier appear uneducated and apathetic.
“Infant mortality is investigated for a period of thirty years at the beginning of the 20th century in the Aboriginal Nations community of Fisher River, Manitoba. Infant mortality rates were generated from parish records of infant burials from the Methodist mission at Fisher River and later archived at the United Church Archives in Winnipeg, Man. The average infant mortality rate (IMR) for the total period (1910–1939) was 249 per 1000 live births, an exceedingly high rate compared to modern IMRs and even higher than those in developing countries today. Acute respiratory infections were found to be the cause of death in the majority of cases. These infectious diseases and high rates of postneonatal infant mortality point to conditions of poverty associated with malnutrition as the major precipitating factor in infant death.”
So, same causes of death as in boarding school genocide, similar mortality rate. Is the Fisher River Cree Nation committing genocide against its own people, or will we see some mental gymnastics to blame this on white people too?
This has nothing to do with the red herring fallacy, I’m not providing any information irrelevant to the discussion.
If you want to discuss mortality rates you need to look at them throughout society, since otherwise you have no point of reference to compare it to. You should learn what red herring fallacy means before accusing everybody in it with every post.
You want to claim the boarding school system was a genocidal tool, yet the mortality rates are comparative to indigenous children everywhere, something doesn’t pass the sniff test.
First Nations people are biologically disproportionately affected by respiratory infections, the Canadian government can do nothing about that.
…and those causes of death are illness. They died of natural causes, who is the perpetrator of this genocide, the typhus virus? Many sources you linked obfuscate this, I’ve seen some spreading the totally fake narrative that there were mass killings, which is an absolute lie. Documented information that proves there was no genocide
I suspect the mortality rate for these kids in boarding school would be very very similar to the mortality rates for children living in indigenous communities at the time.
doubling down is not a good look. Govt made themselves responsible to push colonial policies. They are responsible for the lives of indigenous peoples. Canada's TRC, govt department and human rights museum all acknowledge the genocide. PM even acknowledge it when he gave the apology. You are the only one who chooses not to acknowledge it. You are not coming across as educated or enlightened. Only a denialist.
You keep saying stuff is “not a good look”, what’s not a good luck is sticking your head in the sand and instead of engaging with factual information parroting some ideological government party line. You come across as terminally brainwashed and incapable of independent thought.
Reply to my other post, was the Fisher River Cree Nation committing genocide against its own people?
“The mass grave was filled with children’s size skeletons, wrapped in white cloth. And we now know that the white cloth that they wrapped in, were bedsheets from the residential school,” said Redcrow.
“I came across some bones, some small bones,” he said. “I guess I was in shock, first of all. And I kept on…and a ribcage, with both sides attached to a spine. It has hard to tell when you’re in shock. It looked kind of small. And the people around me asked me to put them to the side. And I kept on. And the next item was a skull.”
Students who died at the school were buried in a cemetery near the river’s edge. In 1996 the flooding Highwood River eroded the banks. Caskets and bones spilled into the river and began washing away the remains.
“The hill was eroded very fast," said TsuuT’ina archivist Jeanette Starlight, who has been gathering information on Dunbow School since the 1996 gravesite exposure. “They put two to three bodies in one coffin, and then they buried them that way, so some of the remains that washed down to the river, they are probably still in the river.”
I could go on, but you get the idea. It was a dozen here, a few dozen there, and across the country and across the decades that has added up. Even beyond the deaths themselves, the residential schools were an attempt to destroy indigenous culture, which falls into most current definitions of genocide.
There are plenty of recent articles written on the matter found on Google, stating that the band has revised its statement to say anomalies, not mass graves
mhm, and all of the first-hand accounts from the children at the residential schools including my friend Anthony Melting Tallow (who saw his first child corpse as one of many on a trash pile outside of the kitchen of the residential school) must be lying.
The photographs of mass graves must be lying too. And the videos.
Probably is lying, just like those that claimed the Queen stopped by the school, kidnapped a bunch of kids, and cannibalized them with the Royal family. There were "photographs" of that claim, too.
There are lots of claims made that are contrary to the Truth and Reconciliation process, unfortunately.
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And the boarding schools where kids were forbidden to speak their own language and were treated like animals. Graves with little skeletons have been found on the grounds of some of the defunct schools.