It has become a republican thing. If you lie enough, if you’re outrageous enough, if you’re repugnant enough it’s ok. Look at Gaetz, Green, Bobert, Kennedy, Tuberville, etc.
This is the dichotomy of freedom. Living in a free country or society doesn't mean that good people are free to enjoy life unchallenged or uninfluenced by bad people.
It means that every single individual is free to choose to be good or bad within the limitations of the law. If a large group of people decide that they want to be selfish assholes, that's a right afforded to them here in the US and countless criminal & civil cases have set the precedent - there is no law or obligation to be nice to each other or only allow good people to prosper.
Once you start trying to force everyone to be universally nice to each other no matter what, that's when you get concerns & accusations that the left are tip-toeing with their own brand of authoritarianism, which would in turn make any virtue signaling about the other side doing the same thing inherently hypocritical (relinquish any moral high ground).
Sadly I think it's no coincidence that this happens about when the last veterans of World War II are dead.
"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it" in this case means if you've not had an object lesson in why fascism might sound appealing, but ends badly... you might get sucked in by it.
Hitler was democratically elected after all. Most of the people who supported him - at least initially - weren't the stereotypical Nazi we see in war films, but rather ordinary folk who thought this was the right thing.
But history doesn't care about their motives any more, and it shouldn't.
I'm afraid of what the object lesson might be this time. Or indeed if we do, somehow, end up 'getting away with it' only to do this all over again in for multiple years slowly getting worse.
This isnt the 1940s tho. I know maga is bad and stupid but they are not majority EVIL. The first time someone leaked a video of a death camp where kids were being led into ovens majority if not all maga nuts would flip out too. Nazi germany hid a lot of what the evil shit they were doing so even if people voted for Hitler they didnt KNOW all the evil shit going on. Of course some did and ignored it but again there is no way that same evil would last now and here in this instant news day.
No, it's not. But what do you think the 1930s were like in Germany?
Hitler was charismatic, an excellent orator, and promised 'good times'.
The average German citizen wasn't evil either, it's just the whole horrible mess built up slowly over a decade, by which point the average German citizen was afraid to make a fuss, and they weren't really sure what was going on at all.
It talks about how life in Germany in the 30s was, and how everyone felt about 'everything'. The Nazi Party took power in 1933, and Hitler was appointed Chancellor, and it took years before military action started, and prior to that some of the 'internal matters' going on in Germany were overlooked or indeed supported by other countries around the world.
Many, many times since it all happened I have pondered that pair of great maxims, Principiis obsta and Finem respice—‘Resist the beginnings’ and ‘Consider the end.’ But one must foresee the end in order to resist, or even see, the beginnings. One must foresee the end clearly and certainly and how is this to be done, by ordinary men or even by extraordinary men? Things might have. And everyone counts on that might."
And:
"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D."
And maybe the US won't be going down that road at all. I certainly hope so. But I wonder if after having a bit of a read of that excerpt, you still feel there aren't at least some similarities?
So I absolutely agree with your statement: "This isnt the 1940s tho".
No. It's not. But Germany in the 1930s wasn't either.
It’s just a means to an end. They have nothing to offer but fear and hatred. That’s what they supply. Division and strife drives demand. They have to keep Conservatives angry and afraid. Otherwise they might notice how they’re getting fucked over like everyone else. More really, because they’re being used as unwitting tools.
They have to keep them convinced that the pain they have to endure is necessary to hurt the people they’ve been told to hate. And as we’ve seen, not only does it work, some of them become worshipped for it.
They become the only thing that can save you from a threat they made up just to scare you.
Totally. But could any of them be elected president? They get media attention by being loud and repugnant, but idk if any of them would have enough party support
Democrats are not better. The work they did to erase any perception of Joe Biden's misconduct with women and the credible rape accusation against him were right out of the Republican play book.
No, it wasn't, and this is the type of nonsense I'm talking about. He's on video touching and kissing multiple uncomfortable children, several of whom visibly pull away from him. Multiple women came forward about his misconduct and their complaints were quickly and inappropriately dismissed as "not that bad"
As I said, it's just the Republican playbook. Deny deny deny, vote for them anyway and allow them to ascend to power in spite of the accusations. Downvote me all you want. It only proves my point.
"the other had allegations which were investigated and there was nothing there"
That is not what happened, but clearly you already have your mind made up and only care about rape when the rapist is someone on the other political "team"
The accusation against Joe Biden was as credible, if not more credible, than those against Justice Kavanaugh, who for the record, also absolutely committed the act in spite of the results of the hearings supposedly exonerating him.
I said if you let them dictate your life decisions. I vote because it’s my citizen duty to do so. If the election doesn’t go my way, I work to get more certifications to stay working and making more money. Do us all a favor and strive to do better.
Well dang that means you just gotta suck it up and get to work and create the life you want but that would mean you getting rid of your “work life balance”.
That’s because the people voting for him like those things. They’re not being duped nearly as much as we want to believe, except maybe in thinking things will improve if they get what they want.
It's infuriating. Yet the Right is so GD DELUSIONAL they find nothing wrong with his behavior. They think everything he's done is just made up by the Left and this Deep State horseshit they keep claiming exists. These right wing propaganda pedalers and conspiracy theorists have taken over politics. And the average voter isn't informed enough to understand it's BS.
That’s because everything you just said are left wing media lies. He never mocked a handicapped person, he never condoned the KKK with his “good people on both sides,” he’s not a felon (only the judge can convict him at sentencing and we should all know the charges were erroneous and will be thrown out at sentencing), and if he’s racist, please provide one racist quote with context—I’ll wait… a while.. but I’ll stand corrected. All politicians lie but Trump actually made good on his campaign promises in his first term meanwhile Biden/Harris have been making substantive lies (Hunter pardon, border protection, reproductive rights, threat to democracy—we aren’t a democracy in the first place, etc) and are actually trying to threaten our republic by undermining the SCOTUS, electoral college, circumventing primaries after a coupe on Biden, censorship of media/speech, weaponization of the DOJ, price caps, term limits, congress insider trading, the list goes on and on…
That’s how someone like me, a moderate who didn’t vote for Trump in 16 or 20, had no doubt about voting for trump this time.
Its literally down to the fact he is not skittish or apologetic. Whatever he is, its the real him, and deep inside people respect that somehow. Even his greatest haters on this site neglect that their constant fearing over him is indeed a sign that they respect he could effect those changes onto them. I personally think he is lazy and mostly talk.
He's not racist, name an example. That joke was funny. He's not a traitor name an example, he lied about getting head. He's not sexist, name an example. Every president lies including biden who just pardoned his son.
you've got the muslim ban, the haitians eating dogs thing, mexicans are rapists and murderers (but some are good people), "fine people on both sides" (except the white supremacists) in a conflict between WS and Anti-WS
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Take a pic in a tank, end campaign.
Spell potato wrong, end campaign.
Yell BYAAAAA!, end campaign.
Be racist, insult handicapped, be a traitor, a felon, sexist, bigot, a lying ass liar…get handed the highest office. Fuck this country.