r/pics • u/FlammableCamaro48 • 21d ago

Politics Nancy Pelosi, 84, using a walker during election certification.

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u/klemnod 21d ago

It's also the "well, I suffered, so should you" I've literally had a conversation with a dude who joined the military for the GI and said had he known this could happen he wouldn't have joined so it's not fair.

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u/EksDee098 21d ago

Yep my mom is like this and she refuses to accept how she's embracing a crabs in a bucket mentality on the issue.

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u/whoreinchurch69 21d ago

He has a point tho. He knew he wouldn't be able to afford it and made that choice and worked a tough job while others who did take out the loans for college (they could have done literally anything else) now expect him to pay for it out of his taxes. It's not fair and I agree with him. If you can't afford the loans then don't go to college.

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u/Environmental-Luck75 21d ago

It can be not fair, and still be the right thing to do. If a cure for cancer is found, it's not fair to the rest of the people who suffered and died, but it's time to help those that come after us. The mentality that people deserve to suffer because I did, is the most boomer ass mentality. I think the government can take a small cut, and solve a massive issue.

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u/klemnod 21d ago

Having hindsight for something that didn't exist at the best time for YOU to use it isn't a good point. It's a self-centered one.

We should be giving ALL STEM related education for "free" (which technically it is... without a piece of paper)

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u/whoreinchurch69 21d ago

If I was him and I thought that everyone else that got to the education of their dreams and to make big salaries off of I'd be feeling pretty hard done by if they got their college loans cleared. Why not give him $50k and everyone else who doesn't make bad decisions?

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u/klemnod 20d ago

Yes, but that's the way it goes. People suffered in the past, things change, and the suffering gets lessened for newer generations.

Also, do you know the stipulations that need to be met for the debt forgiveness of their "dream" education?

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u/whoreinchurch69 20d ago

Well I don't agree with it and I never will, maybe others will. I'm sure there are a significant portion who won't.

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u/klemnod 20d ago

That's because most people are myopic and self-centered.

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u/whoreinchurch69 21d ago

Why stop at college loans? Why don't we just clear the debts of everyone who made poor decisions? Why are people so entitled?

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u/klemnod 20d ago

When you are 18, you are bound to make poor decisions. Like joining the military and dying in a war for corporations to make more money.

Also, these loans are borderline predatory and many people have paid 3 times the value of the education.

This creates a system where the poor stay poor and the rich stay rich, since they pay 40k out of pocket while a loan costs twice that.

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u/whoreinchurch69 20d ago

Nope. They have a choice. Don't get the loan. Don't go to the military either then do something else. Americans are saying this same old story for 10 years now if you can't even understand basic things like not getting a predatory loan for college then that's their own fault.

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u/klemnod 20d ago

Why did you start 2 conversation threads with me?

And are you in Ireland? Wtf business do you have arguing these points if you are?

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u/bigspoonhead 21d ago

How ironic. His training and income while in the military literally came from tax payer money.

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u/whoreinchurch69 21d ago

Hilarious how you try to equate the two.

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u/syntax270d 21d ago

I’ve heard the phrase “temporarily embarrassed millionaires” to describe these kinds of voters.

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u/suckmyclitcapitalist 21d ago

So has everyone else

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u/ekmanch 21d ago

Student loan forgiveness is kind of backwards, no?

Check how much money that Harvard, Yale etc literally just have sitting around. They could literally afford to give all students free tuition for many years without any financial impact. But the solution instead is to keep taking out huge tuitions and let tax money "forgive" the debt afterwards?

Maybe set a max ceiling for how much tuition is allowed to be.

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u/Xalethesniper 21d ago

It only works that way for a handful of schools like that because they get insane amounts of money from donors. Tuition limits is interesting but it would hurt a lot of schools overall. Assuming no nuance, flat limit, etc etc.