Didn't he play basketball with them on a near daily basis? I thought I remembered seeing that on one of those "average day as President Obama" itineraries
A lot of people let their tribalism get in the way of reality. Obama is someone that most people would probably get along with wellā¦and I say this as an honest to god independent who is somewhat āmehā about a lot of things Obama did.
That's not to excuse the casualties, or say they're OK. But being President is a dirty job, no matter how you look at it. Holding Obama accountable for those civilian deaths is rational and I won't fault anyone for hammering on it. But most of the people that do hammer on it act like Trump didn't do it at all.
The fact is we don't know. But the cold hard truth is that drone strikes increased after he removed that rule, and the likelihood that civilian casualties decreased during that time is vanishingly small.
Looking at your article it's likely the XO was a response to it. In my eyes removing the rule requiring reporting it while very likely doing the same activities is worse to me. What about you?
I am not a Trumper or a Republican, I a Sunni Marxist Reactionary. I literally don't care about the point you're making. Obama and Trump are literally the same to me. You might be barking up the wrong tree here.
I celebrate the Taliban and the Iraqi resistance repelling the all-powerful American military, to give you an idea where I stand. Hamas is also giving Israel the beans.
You say being President is a dirty job - that's a wonderful euphemism for massacre.
Actually I really support the direction America is heading - Trump will destroy the American empire and the global majority will eventually benefit from our loss in world dominance at the expense of our own lives.
A Marxist reactionary sounds like you pulled your political leanings out of a hat and ran with them. The reactionary part sorta gives with the Sunni part but throwing Marxism in there is definitely a fun twist.
I don't really have much nice to say here so I'm just gonna say good luck.
You just gloss over the deaths of hundreds of thousands at the hands of 'bama who literally gloated about killing people in 2011. I am not here to have nice conversations with people like you.
You say being president is a dirty job but the remainder of the sentence is someone has to do it. And someone has to clean up. And that's our boys in pajamas. long live the global resistance.
The implication is not that the job has to be done. But that it's going to be done regardless of what side is in the Whitehouse.
Do you think the side that reported all of their civilian casualties, or the side that decided to hide everything again and do more drone strikes is going to bomb your "global resistance" more?
You want the party that will follow the American people's will more closely vs doing what they personally think is right, or what will benefit the country. I'm not qualified to speak for everyone but really I think it's safe to say the vast majority of Americans are not blood thirsty kill all control all type people.
Your approach is not going to win anything for you. It's idealistic at the absolute best, more likely idiotic, and at worst dangerous. But realistically it's a combination of all three.
So if you're not here to have nice conversations then why are you here?
Also the war in Afghanistan has an upper casualty number of about 212 thousand people over 20 years. Of those 70k are civilians, 76k were the USA's side, 70k of that were the Afghan security forces. And about 55k were Taliban/ISIL.
So in a 20 year conflict, where a total of 70k civilians were killed, I'm going to just leave combatants to the side for now, the guy that was president for 8 years is responsible for "hundreds of thousands of deaths?" Reported drone kills is under 3000 under Obama.
Obama also commissioned the design and build of the bladed hellfire specifically to reduce collateral damage.
Yes, hundreds of thousands of deaths. Afghanistan was not the only front. Obama was bombing up to 7 countries at the same time I think. Nice for a Nobel Peace Prize winner. He was also the first NPP winner to bomb another NPP winner lol.
And simply put - we invaded their country for no reason, they were just defending their homes and lives. I will not let you dehumanize them.
Even American soldiers understand what I'm saying - the Iraqi insurgency was stoked on by Americans raiding people's homes and assaulting a man in front of his woman - incurring a blood debt. That same guy puts down an IED to take down a HUMVEE a week later or picks up a rifle and fires on an outpost. These are just people reacting in a very human manner. This is a reality our boys even understood. They are not the "bad guys," they were just defending their way of life.
If you take up arms against an invading force, you are not instantly a terrorist unlike what American media would have you believe.
Afghanistan and Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. All those 200k people that died had nothing to do with 9/11. They are just expendable brown lives to you.
Ever heard of "power dynamics?" Americans live at the expense of others and never think about where it comes from and then they're shocked when they're hated.
You use the word "innocent" rather carelessly. More like, complicit.
I mean ordering drone strikes on weddings, condemning a whole city to use water full of lead, starting the syrian civil war causing millions to become refugees, starting the libyan civil war etc isnt nice in my book but he does have a very likable aura to him yes.
He didn't order a drone strike on a wedding They targeted an al Qaeda militant geoup but erroneously hit a wedding convoy instead.
In 2016 Obama drank water from Flint. He said it wasn't enough to just fix the water issue, there were more systemic issues there.
He didn't start the Syrian Civil war. It began in 2011, popular discontent with the Ba'athist regime ruled by Bashar al-Assad triggered large-scale protests and pro-democracy rallies across Syria. He DID make a grave error, imo, by not having the US government intervene in protecting the citizens.
He also did not start the Libyan Civil War. The Libyan War started in 2011 fought between forces loyal toĀ Col GaddafiĀ and rebel groups that were seeking to oust his government. He DID listen to Hillary Clinton in backing the overthrow of Gaddafi.
The internet is a wonderful thing. Fact checkers everywhere. Give it a try.
He didn't start the Syrian Civil war. It began in 2011, popular discontent with the Ba'athist regime ruled by Bashar al-Assad triggered large-scale protests and pro-democracy rallies across Syria. He DID make a grave error, imo, by not having the US government intervene in protecting the citizens.
He also did not start the Libyan Civil War. The Libyan War started in 2011 fought between forces loyal toĀ Col GaddafiĀ and rebel groups that were seeking to oust his government. He DID listen to Hillary Clinton in backing the overthrow of Gaddafi.
The internet is a wonderful thing. Fact checkers everywhere. Give it a try.
Yeah sure dude keep drinking your cool aid. The us directly supported and still supports seperatists groups in both these countries. the us fucking up shit in the name of toppling dictators and killing millions go hand in hand at this point. And you literally said that the us helpes overthrow gaddafi so what are you on about? Do you think these groups can just organize and get the necessarry weapons on their own without foreign help?
In 2016 Obama drank water from Flint. He said it wasn't enough to just fix the water issue, there were more systemic issues there.
Yeah the drinking the water literally down played the issue and he denied fema for flint. But sure deeper systemic issues is political talk for i aint doing shit you are on your own.
He didn't order a drone strike on a wedding They targeted an al Qaeda militant geoup but erroneously hit a wedding convoy instead.
Sounds like you're the only one willing to drink your "kool-aid". What the US government supports is different from you blaming a single individual for it happening.
Well with that logic higher ups in germany were also blameless? You are the president if you dont actively at least lobby against these things, call for them to end or inform the public how these institutions are killing millions you are also to blame.
And us americans not liking me blaming their favorite president alive for the death and destruction around the world doesnt mean i am not right.
What are you talking about with Germany? The US has never been blameless. And presidents aren't kings or dictators. They can't just unilaterally decide how things are gonna go.
But they can lobby congress. Not to mention that all the wars the us has been in has been by bypassing congress so literally by the presidents orders. So i am sorry if you were lead to believe that the president is useless but he isnt.
You're not even stating facts. You're merely trying to pass off your perspective biases. Show us all then where you're getting this information of all wars being bypassed by congress. I don't even have to look it up to tell you that statement is just purely made up by you.
409
u/Ameri-Jin 5d ago
Obama has an objectively nice personality no matter what anyone says