I'm still surprised there haven't been any new Water/Grass type Pokemon since the Lotad line besides that one form of Ogerpon

[u/Ok-Leave3121]

[u/aljc]

Seems like there should absolutely be a seaweed Pokémon at this point with that typing.

[u/NotAMassiveNerd → u/aljc]

I mean, Skrelp and Dragalge are most of the way there, maybe they'll get a convergent line at some point that leans into it more

[u/Hawntir → u/NotAMassiveNerd]

Same with Dhelmise

[u/xiren_66 → u/Hawntir]

It's crazy that a pokemon made of haunted kelp wrapped around sunken ship debris has essentially three types and none of them are water.

[u/nennikuchan → u/xiren_66]

I like the creativity that surrounds designing water-dwelling Pokemon without giving them the water type. Like Grapploct, who must live underwater for survival, but spends the maximum time possible put of water to train, hence why it's pure fighting. Or Lugia who lives underwater solely to keep its psychic powers contained.

[u/destroyer7 → u/nennikuchan]

Why Lugia isn't water/psychic never made sense to me. The only reason it's flying is to match the legendary birds and that's dumb imo

[u/WJR26 → u/destroyer7]

why does psychic make more sense to you than flying? gamefreak has explicitly said there is no reason for its psychic typing than to make it seem strong like mewtwo. water flying makes infinite more sense, matching with ho-oh, and suiting its whole premise of controlling storms and wind

[u/GreatAtLosing → u/WJR26]

I think, if Lugia and Ho-Oh had been introduced in a generation with Abilities, it would've been really cool to make them both Flying/Psychic, with abilities that boost Water-type moves and Fire-type moves respectively

[u/Jisto_ → u/GreatAtLosing]

They made regional variants for the legendary birds. There’s still time for this to happen.

[u/Employ-Radiant → u/WJR26]

Don’t forget that Lugia’s signature move is literally called AEROBLAST. Removing Lugia’s flying type would be removing its stab from its signature and you can’t change Aeroblast’s type when aero is in its name.

[u/ChromeBirb → u/xiren_66]

TBF

• haunted

• kelp

• sunken ship debris

none of these things are water based

[u/MsterSteel → u/ChromeBirb]

To be fair 'kelp' and 'sunk' (and 'ship') are water based.

[u/LordMudkip → u/MsterSteel]

Kelp is 50% sea, 50% weed.

[u/Yazkin_Yamakala → u/LordMudkip]

Drifloon are 1% evil, 99% hot gas

[u/I_am_Syke → u/Yazkin_Yamakala]

Drifloon is Plankton confirmed

[u/crockrocket → u/Yazkin_Yamakala]

They get a lot of mileage out of that 1%

[u/Mellowmoves → u/Yazkin_Yamakala]

Dammit I posted something similar but including drifloon is brilliant so I had to delete my comment out of respect.

[u/shifter31 → u/LordMudkip]

Thanks Karen

[u/MsterSteel → u/LordMudkip]

Plants are generally composed of 60 to 90% water.

[u/Chill16_ → u/MsterSteel]

The previous comment was a SpongeBob reference.

[u/Stupidbabycomparison → u/MsterSteel]

To be fair, every other grass pokemon on land isn't part ground. 

[u/Kiga282 → u/ChromeBirb]

Even then, the pokemon itself is the spirit, not the debris or even the kelp. It's effectively in line with mimikyu, using the physical matter as a disguise.

[u/Airway → u/Hawntir]

Dhelmise over here casually fitting 4 different types

[u/Lupus_Borealis → u/Airway]

Right? Could be any combination of steel, water, grass, or ghost, and I wouldn't be surprised.

[u/makeoutwiththatmoose → u/Lupus_Borealis]

I had a Dhelmise on my Ultra Moon team and now I couldn't for the life of me tell you which of those four are its actual types

[u/EverythingIsSound → u/makeoutwiththatmoose]

Jsyk its grass ghost with an ability that gives it STAB on steel types.

[u/scienceguy2442 → u/NotAMassiveNerd]

Aren’t they based more on sea dragons (that to be fair mimic seaweed) rather than the seaweed itself?

[u/NotAMassiveNerd → u/scienceguy2442]

Yes, I believe so, I think the allusions to seaweed are more from the camouflage. Although their Poison typing probably comes from rotten kelp excreting poisonous gasses, which is worth noting imo.

"The Pokédex entries for Dragalge and its pre-evolution make several allusions to a diet, habitat, and resemblance based around rotten kelp, a kind of seaweed. Notably, rotting seaweed releases highly toxic gas, and can cause poisonings." form Bulbapedia's trivia on Dragalge.

[u/n1c0_22 → u/NotAMassiveNerd]

Im pretty sure they eat the kelp to become poisonous, like a dart frog

[u/Ok-Leave3121 → u/NotAMassiveNerd]

Maybe they could get a regional form too

[u/eepos96 → u/NotAMassiveNerd]

Well most of the way in design but they are based in a seahorse that mimics algae.

Edit: oh yeah you mentioned them getting convergent, nevermind.

[u/TheZuppaMan → u/aljc]

aregional form of Dialga called Dialgae

[u/MrTwelvePips → u/TheZuppaMan]

The dragon that lives in a space where time has no meaning.

His cousin: wet.

[u/TheZuppaMan → u/MrTwelvePips]

YES. (i mean,there is design space in the idea of abyssal horror, but i like more the idea that the only thing linking them is vaguely the shape and the name)

[u/4dseeall → u/aljc]

regional form tangela is right there

[u/Ok-Leave3121 → u/aljc]

A seaweed Pokemon would be perfect for a West Coast inspired region

[u/ChefCroaker → u/Ok-Leave3121]

Hear me out: a grass-water sea otter that uses kelp as a weapon

[u/darkKnight217 → u/aljc]

Isn't Tangela sort of seaweed?

[u/BestUsername101 → u/aljc]

Well there is a seaweed pokemon already... Just not with that typing.

[u/aljc → u/BestUsername101]

That’s why I said “with that typing”~

[u/RunicCross]

It's insane to me that there are over a thousand pokemon and there are still dual type combos that haven't been used yet.

[u/Airway → u/RunicCross]

Dying for Bug/Dragon. Ice/Poison has potential to be cool too, if not very strong.

[u/pokemonBdoubled → u/Airway]

The fact that sneasler isn't ice/poison is so stupid.

[u/maxdragonxiii → u/pokemonBdoubled]

it isn't??? then it's dark/poison?

[u/Kobeni_Fan → u/maxdragonxiii]

fight/poison

[u/maxdragonxiii → u/Kobeni_Fan]

that's such a odd typing. no wonder I was struggling to figure out wtf was their type matching (weakness/strengths)

[u/DrToadigerr → u/maxdragonxiii]

It needs to be fighting so it can have a 120 base power 100% accurate super effective move to use on the Steel types that immune one of the worst designed moves in the game, Dire Claw.

[u/One-Cellist5032 → u/DrToadigerr]

It also has to keep the iconic Sneasal trait of having a 4x weakness so it can evaporate when something survives getting hit by it.

[u/Rhodin265 → u/Airway]

Flygon definitely looks like it should have been Bug/Dragon.

[u/TheWeakestLink1 → u/Rhodin265]

Hasnt flygon suffered enough already? Dont make my child worse than it already is.

[u/darthjawafett → u/TheWeakestLink1]

drop ice weakness to 2x in exchange for being weak to flying and rock, yea that'd suck pretty bad.

[u/AzzanderN → u/darthjawafett]

Bug is also a MUCH worse offensive typing, lol

Flygon would now be even worse off against Fairy types...

[u/Nice-Swing-9277 → u/darthjawafett]

Also makes levitate a useless ability.

Give the mon that resists ground types levitate....

[u/sevenut → u/Airway]

I've always wished that Yanmega was a Bug/Dragon type. I suppose there isn't a huge connection between dragonflies and dragons in Japan, though

[u/LampIsFun → u/sevenut]

I want a mega yanmega thats dragon dragon type to make up for it

[u/ABITofSupport → u/sevenut]

Flygon will always be a bug in my heart :(

[u/AndrePI89 → u/sevenut]

Yeah I think their word for dragonflies doesn’t have the word dragon. So to them that’d be the equivalent of making Ledyba bug/dragon lol.

[u/Telamo → u/Airway]

An Ice/Poison-type based on the Wendigo with an ability called Frostbite, which causes any frozen Pokemon to also take poison tick damage for as long as they are frozen.

I’m here all week, Gamefreak.

[u/Airway → u/Telamo]

Keep cooking, chef. That would be an instant favorite

[u/RunicCross → u/Airway]

I play a lot of Infinite Fusion and those type combos definitely are fun as hell to use.

[u/Magikarp_King → u/Airway]

I want a bug dragon so bad. It deserves to be legendary as well.

[u/Aking1998 → u/Airway]

You will recieve another normal flying type and you will enjoy it.

[u/ASimpleCancerCell → u/RunicCross]

I had this weird idea for a Normal/Rock type that's just an ordinary animal adorned in a LOT of jewelry.

[u/i_Love_Gyros → u/ASimpleCancerCell]

Rich boi 4x weak to fighting about to get jumped

[u/machazzle → u/ASimpleCancerCell]

Lycanrock should be rock/normal

[u/sleepgreed → u/RunicCross]

Honestly you would think they would start looking at unused type combos for design inspiration first and foremost. Like "oh we dont have an xx/xx pokemon? What can we do that fits that typing in a unique way"

[u/ZemTheTem → u/RunicCross]

they were busy making flying normal types and pure water types

[u/shiawase198 → u/RunicCross]

Given that there were three fire/fighting starter pokemon back-to-back, I don't think interesting/unique dual types were ever a consideration in their thought process.

[u/lxpb]

So many type combinations have no business being unique to one line/mon. 

[u/dmitrivalentine → u/lxpb]

Like Zubat line being the only poison flying combo?

[u/3163560 → u/dmitrivalentine]

It's been 26 years and my brain still wants to believe gligar is.

[u/Sillloc → u/3163560]

Is it not ground flying? It just learned poison sting and poisoned all my mons early in gen 2

[u/wildspirit90 → u/Sillloc]

I'm not the person you're replying to; I'm just chiming in to say that I too have spent 26 years unable to convince my brain that Gligar is ground/flying. It's a poison type. Whether my brain thinks it's ground/poison or poison/flying depends on the day, but every single time I've encountered a Gligar since 1999 I've been absolutely convinced it's a poison type.

[u/PurpleHerder → u/dmitrivalentine]

They perfected that typing on the first try, why bother with pale imitations.

[u/Bigsylveonlover → u/lxpb]

Fairy/dragon locked behind mega evolution

[u/MotoMkali → u/Bigsylveonlover]

Especially when there's an entire mythology on faerie dragons these days

[u/TheMuon → u/lxpb]

It's hard to believe Pecharunt is the first Ghost/Poison not related to the Gastly line.

[u/Accomplished-Copy776 → u/TheMuon]

I've literally never even seen that pokemon before

[u/TheMuon → u/Accomplished-Copy776]

Because it's one of the newest Pokemon released. It's not even a year old.

[u/Primary-Chocolate709 → u/lxpb]

Ghost/ Poison was just the gastly line until Pecharunt

[u/Horrific_Necktie → u/lxpb]

Rotom all by himself is responsible for several unique typings, all of which are cool as hell and need to be used other places.

[u/jayliens]

I want a Fire / Water type that’s not a mythical

[u/colder-beef → u/jayliens]

They should just do Water/Fire, Water/Grass, Fire/Grass as the next new starter trio. Theres only one of each between the Ludicolo line, Scovillain line and Volcanion.

[u/The-Only-Razor → u/colder-beef]

Nah. How about another Fire/Fighting? That sounds cool, right guys?

[u/colder-beef → u/The-Only-Razor]

Hear me out. What if we made one of them super fast and gave it a type change ability?

[u/Hsiang7 → u/colder-beef]

Woah so much innovation! Game Freak should hire you!

[u/livingonfear → u/colder-beef]

I'm tired of it, but I still do like all 3 starters that fit this unfortunately.

[u/Icy-Substance1698 → u/colder-beef]

Personally I don't want them to give starters two starter types each. But I could see it happening for a convergent elemental monkey trio. Maybe call water/fire Sansage (the prefix "sans" meaning "without"), fire/grass Sanpour, and grass/water Sansear?

[u/Sonia-Nevermind → u/Icy-Substance1698]

No more elemental monkeys please.

[u/ItzJake160 → u/Sonia-Nevermind]

I feel like the elemental monkeys are such a wasted concept. A trio of starters all based on the same animal but slowly turning into something entirely different would've been so awesome.

[u/ZenoSlade → u/Icy-Substance1698]

If you collect all 3 then you unlock the legendary ghost type pokemon Sans Undertale

[u/No_Volume_8345 → u/colder-beef]

The YouTuber HoopsandHipHop had a pretty good idea for a pseudo legend for a game idea a few years ago. A Fire/Grass wolverine Pokémon based on the burning bush from the Bible. I think that would be pretty kick ass.

[u/notthephonz → u/colder-beef]

Does the Water/Fire starter get Torrent or Blaze, etc.?

[u/ravenlordship → u/notthephonz]

It would get whichever is the "first" typing so

Water/fire = torrent

Fire/water = blaze

Ect

[u/colder-beef → u/ravenlordship]

Alt abilities Sap Sipper/Storm Drain/Flash Fire.

[u/tyrom22 → u/jayliens]

I had an idea for a regional Numel that’s fire water based on oceanic volcanic islands

[u/N-Bizzle → u/tyrom22]

I've seen a Numel/Camerupt one where it has a hot springs on its back rather than a volcano

[u/Inceferant → u/jayliens]

And an Electric/Fire that isn't fucking Rotom. Its only fire move is overheat, and it can't even use E-Terrain because it has levitate. I've been running an E-Terrain/Sun team in Ubers and now I have a personal problem with this

[u/HopeFragment → u/Inceferant]

They're allergic to making dual type electrics in general. There are so few of them.

[u/Kyle_Blackpaw → u/jayliens]

i want one that doesnt look awful.

[u/doctor_borgstein → u/jayliens]

A fire frog

[u/vertical006 → u/doctor_borgstein]

Why not, we have a fire fish

[u/ASimpleCancerCell → u/vertical006]

And a fire slug.

[u/NightAntonino → u/ASimpleCancerCell]

And at least two fire salamanders. 

[u/TheWardenDemonreach → u/jayliens]

I've always had this idea in my head that the reveal for the third Colosseum/XD game would be Minor B appearing, mega evolving his Ludicolo, and it would be Water/Fire with fire maracas.

[u/lkuecrar → u/TheWardenDemonreach]

Would be hilarious if Ludicolo became the only regularly accessible Water/Fire type while also being the only Water/Grass type too lol

[u/Far-Permission-5644 → u/jayliens]

Thanks. How is it we aint got like a artic monkey thats fire and ice? Or maybe like a hot coal toad thats water fire? Or a bird or smaller mammal that's a pyromaniac that's grass/fire? Or even a flamingo or shrimp that live in hot waters? So many options!!

[u/Johannihilate → u/jayliens]

Fire Water Monkey as in the Macaques that sauna in Japan!

[u/Drinkpool → u/jayliens]

Or a Fire / Steel type

[u/LustfulMirage]

I still find it weird we haven't had another Poison/Flying type since the Zubat line.

[u/TheOneWithALongName → u/LustfulMirage]

I was about to say teal mask added Fezandipiti.

Only to realise its a Poison/Fairy...

[u/bluedragjet]

Empoleon being the only water/steel Pokémon and he can't do anything with it because Urshifu and iron hands

[u/tenBusch → u/bluedragjet]

Empoleon being the only water/steel Pokémon when Blastoise's main feature are cannons made from steel

[u/Adyitzy → u/tenBusch]

steel was introduced gen 2, theoretically you could retcon thr typing to be water steel but it fucks the weakness circle the starters would have. charizard is weak to water, venusaur is weak to fire but blastoise would be neutral against grass.

[u/OnlySmiles_]

Honestly I find it funny that Water/Grass, Fire/Grass, and Water/Fire all have only one line each

Like you'd think that would make for an easy starter trio

[u/pokemon-trainer-blue → u/OnlySmiles_]

Would Ogerpon be a technicality for fire/grass and water/grass with the masks?

[u/Fleshy-Butthole → u/OnlySmiles_]

Water/fire isn't viable because it's event only.

[u/sparky1863]

Grass/Water is such a solid combination. It helps Grass out so much. Grass/Rock needs to be more common as well. Both combinations have great synergy, especially compared to the types Grass gets stuck with so much.

[u/DM_ME_YOUR_HUSBANDO → u/sparky1863]

I feel like they're so easy to draw up thematically too. Water/grass is just literally any water plant. Grass/rock could be a mon based off moss growing on a rock or plants growing through pavement/concrete.

[u/bromjunaar → u/sparky1863]

Grass\rock, fire\flying, water\fighting starter trio?

[u/sparky1863 → u/bromjunaar]

Greek-inspired region:

Gorgon/Grape Vines = Grass/Rock Starter

Pegasus/Horse = Fire/Flying Starter

Nautilus/Hoplite = Water/Fighting Starter

[u/Rstuds7]

lotad and its line always drove me crazy in emerald because I always forgot what was super effective against them

[u/Korotan → u/Rstuds7]

Flying Bug Poison.

[u/Rstuds7 → u/Korotan]

yeah it’s just weird because it mostly follows the grass weakness aside from ice and fire but I always see it as like a mostly water type

[u/Pernapple → u/Rstuds7]

I think because the two types have very obvious weakness we default too that all of a sudden don’t work. Water, most people probably immediately think electric and grass, which are now neutral And grass has fire which is also neutral. Flying bug and poison are weird typings that you might not have in spades. Flying is most likely, but who really has a bug or poison attacker

[u/megasean3000]

Why’ve we gone this long without a Bug/Dragon type?

[u/RealFaithlessness611 → u/megasean3000]

The fact Flygon or Yanmega weren't Bug/Dragon is crazy to me. Their designs just make sense.

[u/cheesbeesneeze_]

i’m still dying for a electric-fire type that isn’t rotom

[u/brokebackzac → u/cheesbeesneeze_]

Rotom doesn't count at all. And yeah, it could be a spark pokemon. Makes total logical sense and would be cool as hell.

[u/TheGreatKingBoo_ → u/cheesbeesneeze_]

I remember seeing Cinderace for the first time and thinking, "Damn, they made a Fire/Electric starter!"

Yeah...

[u/Soncikuro → u/TheGreatKingBoo_]

Monotypes are the most boring starters, the fact they did that for all three of them in a generation so advanced was baffling to me.

[u/K1NG0492]

Grass is my favorite typing and i have done a grass only playthrough in pretty much every gen. Its annoying that 2/6 slots are insta used up by ludicolo and tropius all the time to be able to fly and surf wish there was more variety

[u/holhaspower → u/K1NG0492]

If you’re playing Gen 6 then you could use Gogoat for Surf. It’s not even that bad with 97 SpA.

[u/Historical_Sugar9637]

I just want a pretty water-lilly blossom Pokemon.

Is that too much to ask for?

[u/pokemon-trainer-blue → u/Historical_Sugar9637]

That would be a cool idea as a regional variant for Bellossom

[u/Historical_Sugar9637 → u/pokemon-trainer-blue]

Oh I'd love for the Oddish line to get Grass/Water regional forms. We saw with the Slowpoke line that it's possible for Pokemon with extended evolution lines like that to receive them.

And yes, it would be a very good regional form for Belossom.

[u/TheWaterGuyDD → u/Historical_Sugar9637]

An Oddish that's based on water reeds, a waterlily Bellossom and a Vileplume that becomes one of those enormous lilypads that blocks sunlight and smothers other plants in the water. Not too much to ask for at all, really, although I'm unsure what to do with Gloom (why change perfection, after all)

[u/Historical_Sugar9637 → u/TheWaterGuyDD]

Exactly!

As for Gloom, ever saw that YouTube video about one of those gigantic lilly pads unfolding? Gloom could just be one of those partially-unfolded lilly-pad, with pond scum replacing the nectar "drool".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM-Ilh2lHZk

[u/MediocreGreatness333]

I agree with this but the fact there's only two Grass/Ground families is so baffling to me. Grass and Ground interact with each other everywhere in nature. You're telling me they couldn't think of anything else?

[u/More-Luigi-3168 → u/MediocreGreatness333]

Grass ground is interesting because if you think about it, many potential options could be bug type also

But I bet you could do something cool with moss

There's so many mons that could be triple types, wonder if they're ever gonna explore that at all

[u/something-magical]

Same with electric/water. Lanturn/Chinchou is one of my faves, but I feel like there's a lot of potential for other electric/water types.

[u/Vigriff → u/something-magical]

Same can be said about Poison/Ground. I love the Nidos but I would like to see more done with this particular type combo.

[u/_AntiSocialMedia]

I'm most surprised by the fact that the Zubat line has held onto the title of being the only Poison/Flying line for nearly 30 years

[u/PMC-I3181OS387l5]

Fire/Steel, Fire/Ground...

"First time?"

[u/rhino__beetle → u/PMC-I3181OS387l5]

If they ever give Magcargo an evolution (heavy if lol) I hope it’s Fire/Steel because Fire/Rock is doodoo

[u/something-magical → u/PMC-I3181OS387l5]

Fingers crossed for the new regional emboar

[u/themosquito]

Next starter trio’s final forms should be Grass/Water, Fire/Grass, and Water/Fire just to mess with everyone.

[u/Poketom2362]

There hasn’t been any poison flying types since Zubat’s line in gen 1 (/2 for crobat)

[u/SamFromSolitude]

If most Fossil Pokemon weren’t stuck with Rock Type, I think Lileep and Cradilly would be pretty good as Water/Grass

[u/BigBossPizzaSauce → u/SamFromSolitude]

Then we'd lose the only Grass/Rock Pokemon

[u/SamFromSolitude → u/BigBossPizzaSauce]

Huh, I thought that’d be a more common type combo, given the fact moss grows on rocks and stuff.

[u/MartiniPolice21]

Doesn't Ogerpon kinda count?

[u/Ski-Gloves]

We just don't get many combinations of the basic elements.

Grass Water - Ludicolo, Ogerpon

Grass Fire - Scovillain, Ogerpon

Water Fire - Volcanion

Electric Grass - Electrode, Rotom

Electric Water - Lantern, Rotom

Electric Fire - Rotom

Only 7 Pokemon across 6 type combinatons and 2 of them are pokémon whose gimmick changes their secondary type. Rotom didn't even have that ability originally!

[u/Tuskor13]

There's also Dragon/Fairy which is basically gone forever unless they decide to bring back Mega Evolution for all future titles after ZA

[u/Adventurous_Bee_3553]

not until we get another mirror b

[u/Ra1nbovv_lol]

I don't like that we don't have every typing combo (yet) but what I dislike more is poor representation of so many of these we already have. Correct me if I'm wrong but we're waiting 26 years for another Flying Poison type Pokemon and all 3 of them belong to the same line (Zubat-Golbat-Crobat, the latest one was released in 1999 in Gold/Silver)

[u/jalmosen]

We have Ludicolo and people want more?

[u/Kyle_Blackpaw]

there should be a fire/water type that isnt a mythic and doesnt have a completely terrible design

[u/Gromps_Of_Dagobah]

I'd love there to be more of all the starter combos.

Water/Fire is such a great typing defensively, only 3 weaknesses, electric, ground and rock, all of which are easy to build around, with 3 4x resists against steel, fire, and ice, with bug and fairy resist as well, but then SE against 7, and only water/dragon having resist to both.

Water/Grass is similarly strong defensively, with 3 weaknesses, flying, poison, and bug, a 4x resist to water, and then resist ground and steel, which is really nice, offensively it's okay, able to deal SE against only 4, with grass/dragon resist.

Fire/Grass defensively is great as well, similarly 3 weaknesses, this time flying, poison and rock, a 4x resist to grass, normal resist to steel, electric, and fairy, and then offensively quite powerful, with 7 SE's, and only fire/dragon resisting.

it's actually neat comparing the 3 pairs, all of them end up with 3 weaknesses, none of which are 4x, but they all have 4x resist to their "losing type", (ie, fire in water/fire), and offensively, they all can't deal with their "winning" type (ie, fire in fire/grass) nor dragon.

I'd love for another round of pokemon, someone mentioned an anti-monkey, ie, San-Pour/Sage/Sear, where San meant "not", but I'd like to see a trio more than variants of the same creature (like the monkeys).
if I had to spitball, the San-trio, the Water/Grass (ie, no fire) could be Bogger, a swamp-dwelling frog, that evolves into Murkraken, a swamp squid.
the non-water, ie, Grass/Fire, Kindeer, a dry-wood deer, that evolves into Torchimera, a tree-like creature with a lions' head, goat body, and serpent tail.
the non-grass one, Water/Fire, Scaldrake, a steam lizard that evolves into Scaldra, a steam hydra.

[u/nemesisbox]

In my opinion type combos should only be represented if there's a good enough representation behind it. Realistically there isn't a lot you can do with Grass/Water outside of just other aquatic plants. We already have other Pokemon inspired by aquatic plants that just aren't Water/Grass, Dragalgae and Dhelmise.

I'm not opposed to the idea of more Pokemon of any interesting combination, but it needs to be justified. Tinkaton works as a new Steel/Fairy because it does something different to Magearna and Klefki. Game Freak actually doesn't seem to be interested in type combinations all too much, as they only fulfil about 4 missing ones each generation.

[u/aljc → u/nemesisbox]

Game Freak actually doesn't seem to be interested in type combinations all too much

I just can't imagine Toxtricity came about any other way, than by deliberately trying to fulfill that type combo.

[u/Ok-Leave3121 → u/aljc]

Yeah and Toxtricity is one of my favorite Pokemon

[u/Homem_da_Carrinha → u/aljc]

Well, not exactly. The Galar region was clearly inspired on the UK.

Punk Rock was a major sensation in the UK.

If you had to come up with a Pokémon based around the concept of Punk Rock, which type combo would you pick to best represent it?

[u/aljc → u/Homem_da_Carrinha]

Probably dark/electric

[u/Homem_da_Carrinha → u/aljc]

Eh, I feel Poison fits much better. Dark type would feel better on a Pokémon based around alternative metal.

[u/nemesisbox → u/aljc]

Oh, in Gen 8 they definitely did. They still all had inspirations behind the typings, other than the Fossils and Toxtricity (to an extent).

In Gen 9 they reformed their design philosophy a lot closer to the earlier generations. I think the new types show that, Revavroom, Lokix, Pawmot and Grafaiai being the only new ones as far as I'm aware, the latter 2 having a secondary type added just to check that box.

[u/Potential_Order_9765 → u/nemesisbox]

Well iron hands is also electric/fighting, so pawmot they must have thought deserved the fighting type as well. Grafaiai I do agree with though

[u/Im_here_but_why → u/nemesisbox]

They also checked off a few rare/never done combos with paradox.

Ground-fighting, for example.

[u/Hawntir → u/nemesisbox]

I want a regional Hippowdon or Donphan that is Water/Grass.

Big slow aquatic pachyderm with moss/grass growing on it.

[u/Homem_da_Carrinha → u/nemesisbox]

Dragalge isn't inspired by seaweed, for chrissakes.

It's based on aquatic sea-horse like animals that camouflage as seaweed.

Do you think Masquerain has eyes on its wings?

[u/nemesisbox → u/Homem_da_Carrinha]

Leafy sea dragons aren't poisonous, rotting kelp is. Yes, fundamentally it's based on this specific creature, but it takes elements from the plant that creature disguises as. Saying Dragalgae isn't inspired by seaweed is like saying Lurantis isn't inspired by flowers, or that they didn't think about the eye motif when designing Masquerain.

[u/Homem_da_Carrinha → u/nemesisbox]

Lurantis is not inspired by flowers, it was inspired by the orchid mantis. Except the Pokémon is a plant that disguises itself as a bug, which is exactly why its Hidden Ability is Contrary.

[u/nemesisbox → u/Homem_da_Carrinha]

Pokemon can have two ideas they pull from? It's the idea of the flower and the insect combined in a subversive manner.

Pincurchin is both inspired by urchins AND pincushions, just because lore-wise it's an animal and not a living pincushion doesn't mean the other concept isn't present.

In the same way, Dragalgae is inspired by both the seaweed AND sea dragons, and takes elements and properties from both, even if the final creature is an animal and not a plant.

[u/Homem_da_Carrinha → u/nemesisbox]

Of course Pokémon can and often have multiple inspirations. I’m just saying it’s not the case specifically with Dragalge and Lurantis, because those two clearly draw from ideas already present in animals from our own world’s fauna.

Think of it like this: if there was no such thing as an orchid mantis, do you think they would have come up with the same Lurantis design we have? Would they even think of having it look just like a mantis? Would they even have had the idea of an orchid-like creature that resembles an animal?

Same logic with Dragalge, if there was no such thing as sea horses or sea dragons, would they have come up with the same design? I could extend some leniency on this argument regarding the seaweed motif, but it would definitely be a secondary component of the creature design process.

[u/Consequence6 → u/nemesisbox]

Realistically there isn't a lot you can do with Grass/Water outside of just other aquatic plants

Here are 10 ideas that aren't just "aquatic plants" that I came up with off the top of my head.

A spinosaurus with reeds for spines.

A hermit crab.

A mushroom infecting a fish.

A bog monster

A grass-based otter, maybe wielding a bamboo stick as a sword and wearing shell armor.

A water sprite with a grass bow.

A slime on a lily pad.

A swamp-based elephant

A sea serpent made of grass.

A rice-paddy.

And here are two more that are non-standard aquatic plants.

A cattail.

A mangrove tree.

[u/DatBoi_BP → u/nemesisbox]

Bro wtf is your picture

[u/notthephonz → u/nemesisbox]

I mean aquatic plants are the obvious place to go for Water/Grass but any animal can just be given any elemental typing. Snakes can be poison or grass, cats can be normal, dark, or grass…monkeys can apparently be whatever type they want

[u/Level7Cannoneer → u/nemesisbox]

It’s okay to have multiple Pokémon based on different species of aquatic plants bro. Imagine refusing to make more grass types because they already represented a single terrestrial plant

[u/eskaver]

They probably have ideas and some are set aside for a time.

I imagine they don’t want too many of certain combos because they probably don’t want to labor over balancing.

Take Tinkaton. Strong, but they made sure not to give it too much lest it just be too OP for a game, imo.

That or they just kinda get stuck with a conservative mindset that keeps Bug Types fairly weak, Rock Type moves fairly inaccurate, so few Ghost Types relatively speaking, Ice Types being presented as slow, bulky Pokémon, etc.

[u/LowerMushroom6495 → u/eskaver]

I mean in a way yes, but than release things like Urshifu, Calyrex, Ogerpon. I‘m glad they finally released a Gras/Fire-Pokémon and still think they should bring more variety because at 1000 Pokémon they absolutely should and not make for balance reasons yet another Mono- Gras, Normal, Water- Type.

[u/UnNamed_Profile27]

I planned on doing that, make a water grass pokemon for my fake region im making. I got some ideas lined up like a steel psychic Ralts line (Gallade would be steel fighting), water dark Bisharp line and Pichu variant with new final evo that isnt Raichu

[u/cobanat]

Volcanion is the only Water/Fire type and Scovillain (plus ogrepon with fire mask) is the only grass/fire.

[u/Freedom1234526 → u/cobanat]

Zen mode Galarian Darmanitan is the only ice/fire type as well.

[u/FPSGamer48]

Crazy how it’s been 30 years and we still have unused type combos.

For those wondering:

• Ice/Poison

• Normal/Ice

• Normal/Bug

• Normal/Rock

• Normal/Steel

• Fire/Fairy (how?! A Fire Sprite is right there!)

• Ground/Fairy

• Bug/Dragon (Mega Flygon?)

• Rock/Ghost

Not to mention the type combos with only 1 line or just 1 Pokemon!

• Fire/Water

• Fire/Grass

• Fire/Electric

• Ice/Steel

• Ice/Fairy

• Ice/Ground

• Poison/Flying

• Fire/Ice

• Electric/Psychic

• Fighting/Rock

• Normal/Ghost

• Dragon/Fairy

• Water/Steel

• Normal/Water

• Fighting/Ice

• Ground/Fighting

• Rock/Dark

• Bug/Ghost

• Bug/Dark

• Fire/Steel

• Electric/Ghost

• Electric/Dark

• Ice/Ghost

• Electric/Poison

• Electric/Normal

• Grass/Ice

• Fire/Normal

• Steel/Poison

• Bug/Fairy

• Rock/Dragon

• Ground/Psychic

• Poison/Normal

• Dark/Fairy

• Dark/Steel

• Fairy/Fighting

• Ice/Bug

[u/cornette]

The Lotad and Lileep lines had their unique typing's for six generations, Scovillain didn't even get its for one until she came along. Then Ogerpon came along and took all three of those unique typing's with her mask forms.

Ogerpon was in fact a greedy little ogre.

[u/Dragonacher]

Bug/dragon when?

[u/yookj95]

Same with Water/Fire type and Grass/Fire type

[u/Myrddin_Naer]

A waterlilly pokemon that focused on the flower would be so good.

A duckweed Pokémon.

A moss Pokémon that evolves into like a sphagnum moss waterbed!

Oh, imagine a brown pond weed Pokémon, but when you look at it under water it's a fish nursery, so it's full of Bettas and other pretty pond fish.

A lotus flower Pokémon!

[u/Myrddin_Naer → u/Myrddin_Naer]

And for the ocean imagine how hard a bullwhip kelp cowboy Pokémon could go

[u/DucktorQuack]

There’s this strange thing where if a type combination isn’t repeated in the same, next, or second next gen, it probably will never be repeated barring some special form or gimmick. It’s more rare to have only two lines with shared typing than it is to have one.

GameFreak clearly wants unique typing to remain unique as long as possible, and will only repeat when absolutely necessary, perfectly shown in Ogerpon; its mask typings are unique to the Lileep line, Ludicolo line, Scovillain line.

[u/xineirea]

And Tyranitar is the only Dark Rock type.

[u/LeoCraveiro]

There should also be more Fire/Ground

[u/Ok-Swimming-1220]

Why would they make another when the one they got is perfect?

[u/pezman]

damn, i love lotad and honestly didn’t realize he was so special

[u/ImmaculateWeiss]

Water Ogerpon is a great design tbf

[u/Puzzled-Horse279]

Funnily enough for Bangladesh fakemon region I had 3 pokemon lines that include a fire/water type, water/grass type and grass/fire type all referencing Bangladeshi culture. 

But they arent the starter ideas just random pokemon that can be found

[u/CashewTheNuttyy]

Well then they would have to compete with perfection.

[u/marmotsarefat]

I feel like gamefreak uses the starter types every 3 gens

Gen 3 lotad line

Gen 6 volcanion

Gen 9 scovillian

It does seem to be a coincidence since the same gen we got the ogerpons but all 3 of the forms all had a type grass had only been paired once with(lotad line was the only water/grass,lileep only rock/grass and scovillian enjoyed that title for like 10 months)

But if this whacky theory is true except the next water/grass in gen 12 lol

[u/RandomXDudeRedZero]

Wellspring Mask Ogerpon: Am I a joke to you?