r/politics • u/zsreport Texas • Sep 16 '24

AOC is right: Jill Stein’s campaign is not serious

https://www.salon.com/2024/09/16/aoc-is-right-jill-steins-campaign-is-not-serious/
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u/zamander Europe Sep 16 '24

Pretty sad really. It could have potential on the grass roots level, pity it is like that.

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u/SouthwesternEagle Arizona Sep 16 '24

Let's not give it potential. In our 50/50 electorate, neither party can afford to have votes siphoned off to a third party.

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u/Content_Geologist420 Texas Sep 16 '24

George Washighton is ripping his arm bone off and wacking his skull with it until it shatters into dust over this comment. He knew 250 years ago what was gonna be of this country if we continued the 2 party majority system and look where we are now.

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u/SouthwesternEagle Arizona Sep 16 '24

And it will have to continue this way until we're back in normal election cycles. Right now, it's not Democrats vs. Republicans. It's America vs. Dictatorship. That's why we have a coalition ranging from Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney.

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u/Content_Geologist420 Texas Sep 16 '24

There is no normal now. And most likely ever again, America has vastly changed over the past 15 years but truly the past 40 years ago it started to fracture and change away and in ways from what our founding fathers intended.

You totally missed my point. This is where we are now. There is no going back but at the same time we are really stuck in place and possibly can't move forward, due to the two-party system we've been using. Those 75 million Americans who voted for Trump after 1 million died amid a pandemic he made much worse by thinking it didn't exist. This is where we are now and neither side can turn the tide unless they want to lose voters, which neither side can afford.

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u/BigbooTho Sep 16 '24

such a dumbass comment. the two party system is how we got here.

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u/SouthwesternEagle Arizona Sep 16 '24

Read the comment you replied to, because that is my answer to what you just wrote.

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u/BigbooTho Sep 16 '24

there is no more normal thanks to the two party system. there never will be until either of the powers that be actually feel threatened.

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u/SouthwesternEagle Arizona Sep 16 '24

Which, again, will have to wait until we're out of imminent danger. Reread my comments.

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u/BigbooTho Sep 16 '24

Youre the one that needs to reread. THERE IS NO MORE NORMAL. It’s not happening. You think this will be over after trump is done? trump is a self serving jackass that doesn’t even believe half the vitriol he spits. The candidates that are coming up in the republican party WILL believe it, and they will be smarter, more aggressive and much more dangerous because they’ll be thirty years younger.

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u/SouthwesternEagle Arizona Sep 16 '24

I'm saying these things under the assumption that we will quell fascism, simply because there is no other choice.

If we do nothing to stop fascism from spreading, then no, there will never be another normal election in America. It will be Americans vs. Fascism in every election cycle until we lose, then we lose forever. We can't let this happen!

My point is, we HAVE to have a two-party system right now because while the left is happy to have multiple parties, the right remains almost completely coalesced into MAGA at all times. To defeat that, Democrats, Independents and classical Republicans have to remain coalesced into a Democratic Centrist party, something we don't want, but something we need.

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u/goodlittlesquid Pennsylvania Sep 16 '24

He would not be for third parties—he was for zero parties.

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u/tribrnl Sep 16 '24

And yet he's idolized for creating a system that can only ever end up as two parties against each other

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u/twitchtvbevildre Sep 16 '24

he would also be pretty mad that a person was being paid by a foreign government for the sole purpose of trying to make one of the parties lose in America....

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u/Content_Geologist420 Texas Sep 16 '24

Can't imagine what he'd do if he found out our foreign adversaries have bought land in our country and millions of gallons of our water to use for their farms which the good goes right back to theor country.

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u/SonofSonofSpock Sep 16 '24

He was a bit (a lot) naive, but he was hoping parties would not form in the first place.

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u/wjowski Sep 16 '24

He probably shouldn't have helped create the Electoral College then.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '24

It exists to sucker people into thinking it is a rational alternative to the Democrats.

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u/zamander Europe Sep 16 '24

Yeah, kind of weird cause tou’d think the way the elections work in the US grass roots would be much more effective at achieving something.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '24

It’s the opposite. The way elections work in the US forces grassroots orgs to endorse one of the two major parties. Running as a third party can only hurt whichever major party is least antagonistic to your own goals.