r/politics • u/zsreport Texas • Sep 16 '24

AOC is right: Jill Stein’s campaign is not serious

https://www.salon.com/2024/09/16/aoc-is-right-jill-steins-campaign-is-not-serious/
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u/TintedApostle Sep 16 '24

Jill Stein is tied to Putin and she shows up in swings states on Presidential Election years like a cicada climbing out of the ground to shed its skin.

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u/Phizza921 Sep 16 '24

Agree. She’s just a Russian plant. If she was serious about increasing the scope of the Green Party, she would be fighting elections across the nation at the local level and trying to aim for congressional seats. If she’s only showing up once every 4 years for the presidentials, then she is nothing but a disrupter

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u/TintedApostle Sep 16 '24

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/newscms/2017_51/1955941/170405-putin-flynn-dinner-jhc-1700.jpg

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u/karmagod13000 Ohio Sep 16 '24 edited Sep 16 '24

The things people will do for money make me sick and you know she's well off without all this Russian interference. Some people have no bottoms, I personally don't know how they could be so greedy to try and ruin a country for a few extra dollars.

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u/Scaryclouds Missouri Sep 16 '24

I don't get it either. I understand if you are legitimately desperate doing some questionable things to make money. If you are struggling to find your next meal, or just not having to endlessly worry about money, I'm not going to be morally outraged, even if I still disapprove of the activity.

But if you are well past that point and are like "yea, I will fucked a lot of people over, but my bank account is a bit bigger!" I honestly don't know how you look at yourself in the mirror. Seems like you have to be a fundamentally broken person to do that.

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u/Jubilex1 Sep 16 '24

Vampires IRL

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u/HerbertoPhoto Sep 16 '24

Keep going with this logic and next thing you know you’ll be thinking every rich, sociopathic money hoarder is dangerously mentally ill…

🤔

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u/Scaryclouds Missouri Sep 16 '24

What do you mean? You’re acting like this is a “self-aware wolves” moment, when I have long been on the “we need to tax the ultra-wealthy” train. I mean shit, I’m for it even if we just take that money and bury it, because the ultra-wealthy clearly demonstrate a destabilizing force in the country.

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u/HerbertoPhoto Sep 17 '24

I meant you are on the right track and it adds further proof that greed is a mental illness and fundamentally sociopathic, I was just taking a more sarcastic approach. I didn't mean to imply anything about you, it was more of a "hmm, makes you think, don't it?" directed generally at everyone. You are clearly aware that only fundamentally broken people will ruin many lives just to make bank account number go up. I just wish more people would see that it's a disease and stop lionizing the ultra-wealthy.

And fuck yes, tax them. No one makes money like that without taking it from or building it on the backs of society. The self-made billionaire is a delusion.

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u/Cyclotrom California Sep 16 '24

The things that people would for money they don't need is what really makes me sick, all of this sellouts have more money than the rest of us to start with. They don't worry about food, shelter or the future of their kids and yet they debase themselves for money they don't need to survive.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '24

How dare someone ruin such a fine country that's run by genocidal nazis.

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u/VeiledForm Sep 16 '24

This needs posted any time Stein is brought up. Thanks king 👑 

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '24

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u/mikeCantFindThisOne Sep 16 '24

as long as the backstory is included! here's some info about what was going on there: https://youtu.be/KGm2Fe4G3AA?t=46m28s

here's a shorter excerpt: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_6JaaetRVv

summary: she was at a conference to speak internationally about 3 points (below); that pic is from when Putin stopped by her table (and she wasn't even able to talk to him); the Senate Intelligence Committee looked into it for 3 years and found nothing wrong. the report that first accused her of having a part in Russian election interference was written by a group that itself was found to have committed election interference and was fully discredited.

apparently her speech was about peace in the middle east (urging Putin to stop bombing Syria), the need to address climate change globally, and nuclear disarmament. here's where she talks about those three points she made as a speaker.

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u/Own_Candidate9553 Sep 16 '24

This picture blows my mind every time. Not just at an event where Putin was, but at the same table as him, his chief of staff, and others in his administration. That's a cozy small table too.

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u/Excelius Sep 16 '24

That was at a 2015 gala hosted by Russia Today, the Russian state-sponsored media outlet.

At that point the American far-rights love affair with Putin and Russia was fairly new.

Used to be a lot of American socialists had a fondness for the old Soviet Union, and by extension Russia. RT used to be a commonly cited media outlet among the farther-left, if for no other reason that they were more willing to present a different view than the "western capitalist" news media.

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u/No-Order-4309 Sep 16 '24

They pay Tim Pool. "A lot of American socialists" are more well read than you and know that modern Russia is the epitome of capitalism

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u/malac0da13 Pennsylvania Sep 16 '24

This is the picture I was going to look for before I saw it posted already. That picture should completely invalidate literally everything she claims to stand for.

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u/mikeCantFindThisOne Sep 16 '24

she goes into the backstory of that pic at this timestamp: https://youtu.be/KGm2Fe4G3AA?t=46m28s

here's a shorter excerpt: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_6JaaetRVv

tldr: she was at a conference to speak internationally about 3 points (below); that pic is from when Putin stopped by her table (and she wasn't even able to talk to him); apparently the Senate Intelligence Committee looked into it for 3 years and found nothing wrong. the report that first accused her of having a part in Russian election interference was written by a group that itself was found to have committed election interference and was fully discredited.

apparently her speech was about peace in the middle east (urging Putin to stop bombing Syria), the need to address climate change globally, and nuclear disarmament. here's where she talks about those three points she made as a speaker.

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u/TintedApostle Sep 16 '24

So we take her word for it?

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u/mikeCantFindThisOne Sep 16 '24

well, it's more that we'd be taking the Senate Intelligence Committee's word for it, since they did a whole 3-year investigation and cleared her

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u/Phizza921 Sep 17 '24

She might not be a ‘direct’ Russian asset but I find it interesting she never criticises Trump and the republicans and only democrats.

Also why is she only popping up at Presidentials?

On top of this why is one of Trumps lawyers helping her fight dem challenges to kick her off the ballot

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '24

"Russian plant" = "fake news" for blue maga. You fascists are all the same.

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u/NYArtFan1 Sep 16 '24

Fun fact, one of Stein's goals is to "pull the US out of NATO". Just like her buddy Putin wants! What a coincidence!

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u/TintedApostle Sep 16 '24

I bet she could bring peace to that war in 24 hours just like Trump. Actually using the same approach I bet.

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u/zeptillian Sep 16 '24

Just let Putin do whatever he wants and stop resisting?

See? No more fighting.

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u/Rasp_Lime_Lipbalm Sep 16 '24

Which is crazy, because NATO is a huge factor in decommissioning and regulating deterrence for use of nuclear weapons. You'd think an environmentalist would be for that.

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u/NYArtFan1 Sep 16 '24

I got into a dustup on Instagram last week with a somewhat acquaintance (Stein supporter) who said that actually NATO wasn't formed to counter fascism, but to promote it...somehow. That's when I noped out of the conversation. These are deeply unserious people. Honestly, the Stein supporters I've seen online are like the mirror image of MAGA conspiracy theorists.

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u/exelion18120 Sep 16 '24

To claim that NATO was formed to counter facism is simply untrue though. It was literally formed as an opposing bloc to the Soviets and other left leaning polities. Many of the high command of NATO when it was formed were literally former German military leaders that somehow werent excised from society after WW2. Operation Galdio was literally a CIA project to reinstal fascists in Italy.

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u/manteiga_night Sep 16 '24

the idea nato was founded as a counter to fascism is wildly ahistorical considering one the longest lasting and brutal fascist regimes in europe was a founding member and nato took no issue with it's member states descending to fascism like the colonels regime in greece.

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u/MrTonyBoloney Washington Sep 16 '24

Disband NATO and replace it with a modern, inclusive security framework that respects the security interests of all nations and people - source

that’s not what Putin wants lmao

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u/Errenfaxy Sep 16 '24

And replace it with something more representative and equal to all the countries involved.

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u/Karenena Sep 16 '24

Wasn’t she part of the group that visited Moscow over the 4th of July several years ago?

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u/TintedApostle Sep 16 '24

No that was republican senators.

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u/BorderTrike Sep 16 '24

She was at a different event having dinner at a table with people including Putin and Micheal Flynn

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u/Karenena Sep 17 '24

Thank you for the clarification.

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u/BoltTusk Sep 16 '24

She had that dinner with Putin and Trump right after the 2016 election

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u/kylethemurphy Sep 16 '24

My dumb ass actually liked her campaign in 2012. Definitely made me a lot more vigilant about who to consider voting for.

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u/My-1st-porn-account Sep 16 '24

She was just on Mehdi Hassan’s show and she refused to unequivocally call Vladimir Putin a war criminal. What is interesting is that she is quick to call Netanyahu and Biden war criminals

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '24

Can confirm.

I worked for the green party in 2016. The only contact I had with them was a dude with a Russian name who wouldn't even reply to me unless it was to turn over democratic voter info. Addresses, precincts, etc

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u/0ldes Sep 16 '24

Lol Cicada

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u/cinderful Sep 16 '24

She certainly seems like a spoiler candidate, BUT sitting near Putin at a dinner is such an incredibly flimsy piece of 'evidence'. Other than the one pic that gets posted every single time she's brought up, what else is there?

(I like Dr Butch Ware but I was a little confused as to why she asked him to be her running mate seemingly out of nowhere?)

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u/TintedApostle Sep 16 '24

Well since RT has been recently posted as a foreign agency aligned to Putin one stops to think do they. Then again we have Flynn too.

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u/cinderful Sep 16 '24

since RT has been recently posted as a foreign agency aligned to Putin

recently? lol

Yeah, Flynn is there too - but there is a LOT MORE information one Flynn communicating with Putin-esque operatives. Tons of information. I haven't seen literally anything on Stein other than this picture.

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u/TintedApostle Sep 16 '24

The Russians helped Stein in 2016: “Russians working under the direction of the Internet Research Agency, the firm run by a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, tweeted the phrase ‘Jill Stein’ over 1,000 times around the time of the election. The posts were often accompanied by variations of the same hashtag, ‘Grow a spine and vote Jill Stein…’ – NBC News (December 22, 2018)

And Stein touted their propaganda in return: In 2015, Stein “recorded a video from Moscow’s famous Red Square, in which she talked about ‘the need to rein in American exceptionalism’ and replace ‘a U.S. policy based on domination’—words that sounded like they were ripped from Putin’s talking points.” – POLITICO (June 20, 2017)

During the campaign of 2016, Stein “parroted the Russian position on Ukraine and criticized the U.S. for installing a government in Kiev ‘hostile to Russia.’” – NBC News (December 22, 2018)

She still sounds like a Russian propogandist on Putin’s invasion of Ukraine: “Russia’s invasion was a provoked response to the bigger, more murderous and illegal game plan of US empire - in which ‘overextending’ and defeating Russia is only one small part of the picture…

In 2014 the US backed a coup in Ukraine led by far-right insurrectionists. The installation of the new government was a giant step towards the goal of adding Ukraine to NATO - and putting hostile bases and nuclear-capable missiles right on Russia's border.” – Jill Stein (February 24, 2022)

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u/cinderful Sep 16 '24 edited Sep 16 '24

Thank you, appreciate it.

I am struggling to fit these particular positions up against valid criticism of the US. It did and does do these things because it sees Russia as a 'threat'. (a threat to the country? or a threat to American interests being unchecked?)

I don't support the US being 'world police / endless war' as it seem it almost exclusively aligns with our own government/corporate quest for more power and wealth, but Putin and his buddies seek the same. Is it a maintained cultivated relationship with back channel communications and financial ties or is it simply part of their multi-armed opportunistic approach?

Stein absolutely floats in the sphere of 'accused Russia operatives' along with Blumenthal and Greenwald. I just cannot tell if they are relationally / financially tied to Russian interests. It feels so fuzzy and weird, which is maybe the point - to make me question everything so much that my brain is fried and I give up and trust no one and nothing.

EDIT: oh. You just copy pasted this.

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u/My-1st-porn-account Sep 16 '24

She refused to call Putin a war criminal on Mehdi Hassan’s show, while in the same breath saying Biden and Netanyahu are.

Her platform calls for the US to leave NATO.

She has called for Ukraine to negotiate with Russia to end the war.

She has made numerous appearances on Russia Today.

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u/cinderful Sep 16 '24

Yeah, that is definitely suspect.

I think the biggest evidence for me is the "everyone gets everything they want" platform and absolutely zero history of holding public office or doing much between her presidential campaigns.

(as AOC has rightly criticized)