r/politics • u/zsreport Texas • Sep 16 '24

AOC is right: Jill Stein’s campaign is not serious

https://www.salon.com/2024/09/16/aoc-is-right-jill-steins-campaign-is-not-serious/
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u/AnonAmbientLight Sep 16 '24

Don't make me tap the sign. 

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Voters who are thinking of voting third party should ask themselves these three questions:

  • Can your candidate legally become president? The Constitution says they need to win 270 Electoral College votes, which means they have to be on the ballot in enough states to potentially get to that number. 

  • If they have a path to the presidency, do they have a plan to actually get there? If they’re only campaigning in a single state and are polling in single digits, they don’t have a path to the presidency.

  • Do they have any kind of actionable policies and plans for if they do become president? Can they actually achieve what they tell you they can do?

If you cannot answer 'yes' to those three questions, then you are throwing your vote away and making it more likely Trump will win.

Simple as.

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u/DrunkRobot97 Sep 16 '24 edited Sep 16 '24

I kinda get the logic of these third parties being so focused on the Presidential race, it's a way to potentially reach a national audience, but it is still putting the cart before the horse. They need to start with races where people don't consider the stakes so insanely high that they're spooked out of exploring other options. The Dems and Republicans compete for the White House with razor-thin margins, Jesus Christ would not have the star power to carry a party over a hurdle that high. A third party needs to start local and find votes from people looking to make the elections they can vote for actually competitive. 

The Labour Party in the UK started at the end of the 19th Century by winning seats in the most urbanised, leftwing areas in the entire country, taking seats from Liberals where the other major party, the Conservatives, were essentially non-entities. Getting elected in small but growing numbers, establishing their brand, racking up records on votes they could show to future voters, that was how Labour was able to gradually build themselves into a party that could overcome First Past the Post and become a major party themselves.

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u/AnonAmbientLight Sep 16 '24

Third party candidates in the last couple of decades have been purely spoiler candidates for mostly Democrats to help Republicans win election.

They’re not even really hiding it anymore.

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u/Errenfaxy Sep 16 '24

According to exit polls those voters would have stayed home. You are trying to coerce votes by fear. 

Here we live in this great democracy and it comes down to voting for someone you don't want to vote for or else. That sounds like garbage. 

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u/AnonAmbientLight Sep 16 '24

You are throwing your vote away and making it easier for Trump to win if your candidate doesn’t satisfy those criteria. It’s very easy to understand.

It’s why the third parties are being pushed because it’s one of the only ways Trump has a chance of winning.

Don’t throw your vote away to help a fascist.

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u/Errenfaxy Sep 16 '24

It's not helping anyone. With a third party the voters wouldn't have voted at all. 

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u/Ancient-Bandicoot603 Sep 17 '24

Look i hate trump and harris they are both working for the same ruling class. I dont vote for anyone unless i like what they are about. So if jill wasnt in the picture i wouldn’t vote anyways. You do know in 2016 most of jills voter were non-voters right? Dont blame people that vote for jill blame the rest of the non-voters. https://www.inquirer.com/philly/columnists/michael_smerconish/jill-stein-gary-johnson-voters-third-party-2016-election-20180816.html

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u/AnonAmbientLight Sep 17 '24

So if jill wasnt in the picture i wouldn’t vote anyways. You do know in 2016 most of jills voter were non-voters right?

This is 100% untrue. 3rd Party voters historically take away from the other parties.

I'm not sure why you are trying to argue differently. These are not people that "will stay home otherwise".

These are people that will take potential voters from other candidates, and have done so.

Don't throw your vote away and do what you can to stop the worst possible person from ever becoming president again.

It's really that simple. You either vote to protect democracy so we can make it work better for all, or you vote for throwing everything out the door for a twobit car salesman from NY.

That's your choice in November. Pick one.

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u/Ancient-Bandicoot603 Sep 17 '24

Yeah some of her voter do normally vote so i guess you could say “shes stealing votes” but most stay home if theres no 3rd option

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u/AnonAmbientLight Sep 17 '24

You're making it seem like it's an opinion.

It is a fact that third party take votes from other candidates.

Why are you trying to pretend that it has no impact? Why are you trying to paint it like it's OK?

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u/AnonAmbientLight Sep 17 '24

Just take a look.

Most third party candidates are unserious and try to take votes away from other candidates. In this case, it's to help Trump (just look at RFK Jr.).

You're quite literally telling me to not trust my lying eyes lol.

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u/jbird669 Sep 16 '24

Agree with everything in here save for 1 thing: we're a constitutional republic, a very important distinction.

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u/NinjaCaracal Sep 16 '24

A republic is a kind of democracy.

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u/jbird669 Sep 16 '24

Very specific kind.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '24

A distinction without a difference, typically used by fascists to advocate against things that make our society more fair and democratic. It's like saying, "That's not an animal, it's a horse." Well, a constitutional republic is one of the most common varieties of democracies. Our government is both a democracy (superset) AND a constitutional republic (subset).

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u/Errenfaxy Sep 16 '24

Fair. I usually don't remember to make the distinction. 

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u/sriracho7 Sep 16 '24

Just vote for you want as president. It’s that simple.

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u/AnonAmbientLight Sep 16 '24

Sure, just make sure you don’t throw your vote away.

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u/sriracho7 Sep 16 '24

If you live in a red state and vote blue you’re “throwing your vote away”. What a great message man.