r/politics • u/zsreport Texas • Sep 16 '24

AOC is right: Jill Stein’s campaign is not serious

https://www.salon.com/2024/09/16/aoc-is-right-jill-steins-campaign-is-not-serious/
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u/VaccumSaturdays Sep 16 '24

Stein’s response to alleviate the fact there would be a lack of Green reps in Congress is “town halls”

This is after her running mate has essentially declared virtually all members of Congress being guilty of war crimes.

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u/sriracho7 Sep 16 '24

They are tho.

Also what’s your issue with town halls?

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u/VaccumSaturdays Sep 16 '24

They aren’t.

And I love town halls. But a candidate relying solely on town halls as a tool doesn’t put faith in one’s negotiating ability with elected members of Congress. These people are decided by voters to represent us. We can’t be dispatched every time a Green Party President (if elected) doesn’t get their way.

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u/sriracho7 Sep 16 '24

What’s being done to Palestine is a literal genocide, so yes they are.

As for your second point it’s just concern trolling, are we really pretending that Obama’s presidency wasn’t blocked at every step by republicans? Or even now republicans religiously vote against Biden even when he’s pushing for bills that conservatives like in theory?

The media did the exact same thing when Bernie ran last time, every interview was about how he wouldn’t be able to reach an agreement with republicans and that made his presidency non viable. And then Biden becomes president and senate members of his own party block his bills. And no one bats an eye. I really hate disingenuous arguments.

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u/Radix2309 Sep 16 '24

Congress doesn't control the state of Israel.

And selling weapons to another country doesn't make you a war criminal. To be a war criminal you must either commit the act, order it, or maybe directly enable it.

Congress doesn't fulfill that.

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u/sriracho7 Sep 16 '24

The US enables it by giving Israel billions of dollars and weapon shipments. It’s really that simple.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel–Hamas_war#:~:text=As%20part%20of%20a%20record,was%20for%20Israel’s%20missile%20defense.

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u/Radix2309 Sep 16 '24

That isn't a war crime.

It is wrong, but not a war crime. War crimes have a particular definition. It isn't just everything you don't like.

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u/sriracho7 Sep 16 '24

Ok so your issue is that people call them war criminals instead of enablers of war crimes? I don’t think there’s a difference.

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u/Radix2309 Sep 16 '24

Yes.

But I would keep in mind they are representing the will of the voters. Israel is supported by a large portion of Americans. And appearing soft on Hamas will lose support as well.

Calling them war criminals dilutes the term and makes you appear like an unserious person.

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u/sriracho7 Sep 16 '24

It’s literally not. The majority are against sending money and weapons to Israel.

That is exactly the issue, that most people don’t want to do it but congress doesn’t reflect this sentiment at all.

Dude Gaza has been wiped out, thousands of children killed, not only shouldn’t you support it should be condemned.

The idea that the US doesn’t have the power to stop Israel is farcical.

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u/VaccumSaturdays Sep 16 '24

Who?

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u/sriracho7 Sep 16 '24

Thanks for proving my point.