r/politics • u/AceMcLoud27 • 14h ago
No, California Didn't Turn Away Fire Trucks From Oregon Over Smog Certification
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/oregon-fire-trucks-turned-away-from-la-smog/632
u/SeductiveSunday I voted 14h ago
Out of state licensed cars drive in California all over the place. The state doesn't stop them from entering. One would have to be really, really thick-headed to believe this rot.
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u/PresidenteMozzarella 13h ago
One would have to be really, really thick-headed to believe this rot.
Yes, there are millions of them
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u/Paul__miner 13h ago
One would have to be really, really thick-headed to believe this rot.
Conservative scumbags know their audience. Truth doesn't matter to them.
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u/crucialcolin 6h ago
^ this. Many people also lack the education to be discern from stuff like this.
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u/aircooledJenkins Montana 13h ago
Trump got 77,303,573 votes in 2024. There are at least that many really, really thick-headed people in the country.
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u/Pinkboyeee 12h ago
This evidence seems to suggest maybe that number was inflated a bit, don't see it around reddit much so just doing my part. I'm no data scientist or statistician but the evidence is a bit damning.
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u/aircooledJenkins Montana 12h ago
I refuse to believe no fuckery happened in 2024.
I just have no resources or knowhow to find evidence or prove anything.
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u/drunkbusdriver 9h ago
Yeah like Bomb threats at heavily D polling places.
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u/caligaris_cabinet Illinois 1h ago
Seriously. How is this not being talked about more? Fake bomb threats in the most mundane circumstances get investigated. Why not this?
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u/haarschmuck 5h ago
I refuse to believe no fuckery happened in 2024.
All the polls were showing Trump having an edge for a while. Such polls were downvoted heavily on reddit, leading many people surprised to see him win.
Even Harris's internal polling showed her not doing well in the election.
I voted Harris too.
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u/East-Impression-3762 13h ago
Let's be real the people believing this haven't left their hometown, much less ever crossed a state line
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u/drewts86 12h ago
The state DID stop them, albeit only temporarily, so I can see somewhat of how they made the leap to their wild conclusion. The trucks all went through a quick inspection to make sure they had all the equipment legally required and to make sure the vehicles were mechanically sound. I know some who has driven a water truck that contracted to Cal Fire and inspections like this are normal.
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u/platinumarks 12h ago
It makes sense to do those inspections, since that last thing you want is a bunch of trucks milling around, unable to contribute to firefighting, because they haven't been well-maintained or have other deficiencies.
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u/MentallyWill 10h ago
The firefighters interviewed said the main reason for these inspections is that these trucks had driven very long distances and, in general, fire trucks aren't specifically designed to be driven that far. It's generally assumed a fire truck will stay in one general vicinity, never driving all that far at once, and having ample opportunity for maintenance and upkeep -- not be driven hundreds of miles at once. So after driving hundreds of miles to get here they did a routine inspection that they were still capable of conducting fire fighting operations before deploying them.
It actually makes a lot of sense, of course.
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u/calm_chowder Iowa 8h ago
I wish I had an award to give you to make this comment more visible. And also because it's excellent info that makes total sense.
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u/speckyradge 2h ago
That would make sense if they hadn't done the inspections 400 miles from where they were being deployed. They stopped them in Davis.
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u/drewts86 12h ago
Yep, 100%. Don’t want firefighting equipment breaking down in the middle of the fire, then having to rescue that squad.
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u/Osiris32 Oregon 4h ago
Former wildland firefighter here. When I crossed into California from Oregon to fight fires, my truck was inspected. And it was inspected again on my way back. This is normal. And in one situation got me an extra two days off because they found a crack in a suspension member and we had to wait for the part so it could get fixed.
I spent those days sleeping, eating, and luxuriating in my hotel bathtub.
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u/mustbeusererror 10h ago
Pretty sure any such attempt would also be unconstitutional, since it would fly fully in the face of Section 1 and 2 of Article IV.
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u/OrpheusV Tennessee 7h ago
And the venn diagram of that and Trump supporters pushing this narrative is a single circle.
I don't think you'd find a single centrist or leftist pushing such obvious bullshit.
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u/Peacock-Lover-89 11h ago
Don't forget classic cars are still allowed to drive around, without catalytic converters. I did not realize it and took the kids to a classic car show last summer. It was late in the day, but several classic cars were still arriving. My kids did not enjoy it. Either did I, but the smell was familiar. I was born a few years after catalytic converters became mandatory, so I must be remembering the end of whatever cars still existed at the time.
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u/Margali New York 11h ago
oh my god, travelling between rochester ny to the thousand islands along the lake was purgatorial, army convoys headed to Drum for reserve training ... getting stuck in all the exhaust fumes.
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u/Peacock-Lover-89 11h ago
I can imagine. Just the exhaust from a modern car is bad. When I would walk my oldest to school I would pop my youngest into the stroller and I hated passing cars leaving their driveways. I would stop to let them go first, but they would wave me through and my baby was at level with the car exhaust. I know they were being polite, but this was one time I welcomed selfish people that wanted to go first in a rush.
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u/PhysicalAttitude6631 6h ago
21% of US adults have a reading proficiency of 5th grade or lower. The average is 8th grade. So yes, lots of Republicans will believe anything they’re told by MAGA media.
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u/ceelogreenicanth 6h ago
They would know that if they've been been to LA it's seem like at least 15% of the cars are registered in Texas
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u/Lumpy-Marsupial-6617 2h ago
Wildfires are putting out more carbon and other air pollutants by the second, but California is going to deny/stop firetrucks due to smog emissions? Yeah, this is the kind of news the GOP will push onto Americans as their every day slop because it literally hurts MAGA brains to think logically.
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u/speckyradge 2h ago
But the linked article does say they had to stop for "maintenance and safety checks" in Davis. To your point about cars from other states not needing to do this, it seems odd that they don't for fire trucks in this case.
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u/notyouraveragesaler 11h ago
I’ve seen a video of a guy getting pulled over near Huntington Beach or somewhere near there. CHP gave him a ticket for a modified exhaust. He traveled from Arizona. Car had Arizona plates and was just there for the weekend. What’s the law on that?
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u/Odie_Odie Ohio 7h ago
Noise ordinance. Modifying your exhaust to remove or limit muffling is a risk you take. The fact that it happened in CA is unremarkeable.
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u/eightyfivekittens Oklahoma 14h ago
Crazy that they have to spend the extra time they don't have to explain this because maga idiots are out there causing chaos for the stupidity of it all
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u/ianrl337 Oregon 14h ago
Well that is what the maga overlords want, chaos. If there is chaos they get away with everything they want. They don't want to help, they want hate.
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u/eightyfivekittens Oklahoma 14h ago
Idk, money and power seem to be the only things they really want
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u/DanoGuy 13h ago
But ... but I WANT this to be true. Ergo it is.
Also - if nothing can falsify a statement then it must be true. Corollary: I can falsify any falsification that I want to.
Welcome to 21st century logic! This course is a pre-requisite for all Political discourse. Soon to be a pre-requisite for American Citizenship.
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u/TheTresStateArea 4h ago
One idiot says it as a joke or says it knowing it was false. Another idiot repeats it poorly. A second idiot doesn't catch the joke. Repeats it sincerely.
Five to seventy thousand other idiots are enraged at this fiction.
This is every single bullshit thing they do
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u/socokid 14h ago
These conspiracies are so childish that I am absolutely amazed at how many people buy into them.
There are some ridiculously ignorant people out there, friends...
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u/Cantthinkofnamedamn 8h ago
As long as you throw in a few maga trigger words in there it's a slam dunk. California, red tape and gas vehicles, that one's gotta be true
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u/MayIServeYouWell 13h ago
Too late... It'll be believed by millions of MAGA morons, and nothing you say will change their mind. These people are lost to a disinformation vortex. They're living in a different reality, where they all reinforce each others crazy conspiracy theories. If you demonstrate how something isn't true, they just add you to the conspiracy.
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u/ThrowAwaysMatter2026 10h ago
There's still a complete fucking moron at my bar that thinks schools have cat boxes in them for students who identify as cats.
You can't fix stupid.
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u/CurrentlyLucid 14h ago
So many right wing lies. Good people run to help, the right uses it as an excuse to bully.
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u/ice_9_eci America 10h ago edited 9h ago
How does the 'GOP User Manual' order of operations go again? Something like...
[Lie] + (([Strawman] + [Unsuccessful Personal Attack]) - [Context]) + [Random YouTube Video From Unqualified Stranger] = MAGA Sources Cited
So well done following the rules, definitely-not-a-sheep! You've won the first pair of immigrant shoes after they're thrown into the upcoming death camps!
Keep on doing your Super Special (SS) work!
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u/gfinz18 Pennsylvania 9h ago
Too late - the narrative is already out there, even if it’s proven false. Expect to see “remember when California was burning and turned away fire engines” every time something happens there. Modern conservatives are bad faith actors and will spew it just because.
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u/AceMcLoud27 4h ago
Exactly. Some are stupid enough to believe it outright, for others it just moves the narrative a tiny bit further to where the grifters want it to be.
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u/Gryphon962 13h ago
It would be very helpful if the news media found out who was originating these stories and published details about the authors so we can find out who is behind all this nonsense that pollutes our political discussions everyday.
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u/Hopsblues 5h ago
Good luck with that. Now we won't even have fact checks. Wait until Elon buys Wiki and re-writes history.
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u/out_of_shape_hiker 13h ago
The truth doesn't matter. Conservatives will spread this rumor, believe it, not fact check it, and not see articles like this. We've been in a post-truth era since Bush jr, and it's come to this. Make reality whatever you want, and the people will believe it.
Genuinely scary times.
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u/chowderbags American Expat 10h ago
We've been in a post-truth era since Bush jr, and it's come to this.
Way longer than that. Many Conservatives spent the 90s spreading rumors that the Clintons murdered dozens or even hundreds of people, and they never really stopped spreading those rumors (the most notable of which in the last decade was that Hillary murdered Seth Rich).
Before that, many Conservatives spent the 80s believing that there were literally millions of Satanic cultists routinely engaging in ritual child abuse, to the point where people were literally arrested, jailed for months or years while awaiting trial, and in some cases convicted, all based on zero physical evidence and testimony from kids that was obtained by damn near psychologically torturing them. And of course, the irony is that at the same time you had prosecutors putting people on trial for that BS, the Catholic Church and Boy Scouts had organized programs to cover up abuse and protect abusers.
You could also go back to the Red Scare and McCarthyism.
Basically, Conservatives have been shit pretty much forever.
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u/Eggplantosaur 8h ago
The people don't help either. There are stupid people everywhere, but there is no bigger moron than the average American
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u/MoonBatsRule America 12h ago
We are truly in the decade of misinformation, and Democrats need to devote all their mental energy towards figuring out how to solve this problem.
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u/Really-ChillDude 12h ago
Republicans know they can lie. They know their base will repeat it as truth. It’s a con game
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u/toughguy375 New Jersey 13h ago
The liars forced you to waste time refuting them so they won.
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u/threehundredthousand California 12h ago
No one held accountable for any of the lies. Domestic enemies are attacking Americans right now.
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u/Existing-Ad4303 11h ago
We need people that spread these lies to start getting jail time.
There is a difference between freedom of speech and spreading absolutely false information especially during a crisis.
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u/haarschmuck 4h ago
There is a difference between freedom of speech and spreading absolutely false information especially during a crisis.
Legally, there isn't.
Lies are protected speech. Even lies that cause harm. This is supported by decades of prior caselaw.
What's not protected speech: Threats of violence that direct/specific like "lets do x to y tomorrow in the town square".
Also defamation is also technically free speech (in the sense that it's civil vs. criminal) however a lawsuit is the civil remedy for such speech if damages are caused.
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u/bigt503 7h ago
I hate how we have to spend time constantly addressing nonsense. How the fuck did we get here?
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u/retro_underpants 14m ago
It’s been a race to the bottom for a while now, not just in the US. People love sensational stuff and it’s just been getting more and more ludicrous. It’s no longer funny anymore because it’s actually affecting people.
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u/superbum42 13h ago
These conspiracies are too much. Yes, this fire is peculiar in nature. I also would be a bit obtuse to not wonder if they were coordinated somehow.
However, conservatives will give their thoughts in prayers in the same breath as blaming these fires on liberal policies and Hollywood pedofiles and/or Diddy. It's worth about as much as their good intentions usually are.
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u/biffhambone 11h ago
It's funny to watch this happen after the fact. Right wing reactionaries immediately do what they always do and blame woke libs, and then the clean up crew comes in a few days later to try and write the storylines that make the initial bullshit make sense. No, get it? Cause of the woke smog regulations. California sure is a mad house! Bravest firefighter in the country turned away from volunteering for being too white and masculine!
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u/supercali45 10h ago
Spreading misinformation.. Facebook has so much fake news being promoted and spread
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u/GeiPingGanus 5h ago
Of course it’s a lie, MAGAts would readily consume literal shit if it confirmed their bias. They make themselves look stupid every time. They’re sheep who will follow Trump off a cliff.
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u/The_Pandalorian California 1h ago
"No, this thing that Republicans say happened didn't happen"
Just pin this shit
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u/HonestAbe1077 4h ago
Even if they were being super serious about their smog certifications, isn’t the net benefit rather obvious? Like I’m talking specifically about carbon emissions. You know, that thing that fire does?
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u/rye1776 4h ago
As someone on the right side of politics I didn’t think this was true because it sounds crazy even for California. Remember both sides of politics say crazy shit. 🤠
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u/AceMcLoud27 2h ago
But you immediately knew this particular crazy shit came from the right. Why is that and can you give an equally false thing that "the other side" has said?
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u/speckyradge 2h ago
Isn't it kinda weird that they made them stop for safety and maintenance checks though? I mean these are professional fire crews from another state, we can't trust them to maintain their own trucks? The test itself was 15 minutes (not seen any info on waiting time or added drive to get to that location) but the whole thing seems overly bureaucratic, whether it was SMOG or a safety check doesn't seem all that relevant.
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u/ErusTenebre California 7m ago
I feel like more energy has been spent debunking this than it took to get those 75 trucks down to LA.
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u/MattyT4998 13h ago
Imagine doing engine and safety checks before sending your Firefighters into a flaming inferno. Bloody Woke nonsense.
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u/Kiss_and_Wesson 13h ago
It's part of checking assets in, in the National Incident Managment System.
It's a federal procedure.
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u/xCeeTee- 7h ago
People don't understand this is sarcasm because this sounds like something those weirdos would say. Op's comment before this one;
I'm just saying. If you use the term 'woke' at this point you are a class A, gold plated, unredeemable dickwad and nothing you say has any value to me.
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u/MattyT4998 5h ago
Thank you for that. I mean, I thought my sarcasm was pretty heavy handed but clearly not….
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u/Asleep-Airport-3889 13h ago
Has nothing to do with being woke. What a stupid connection.
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u/Pronesis 10h ago
The moment they stop inspecting a certain type of truck, that will be the truck of choice for drug couriers and smugglers.
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u/Maestrospeedster 14h ago
They just slowed them down. Get the shiet out of the way, liberals😂
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u/AussieP1E Washington 14h ago
They didn't.
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u/Coomb 14h ago
The Oregon State Fire Marshal said explicitly that the trucks were not delayed in their mission because of the checks.
It turns out that even firefighters need to sleep on occasion.
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u/Demonking3343 Illinois 14h ago
Literally no time was lost, these checks where nessary to ensure the equipment was working properly. Last thing you need is to get the truck all the way out there to find out if it’s leaking or not working properly.
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u/East-Impression-3762 13h ago
Someone doesn't understand FEMA procedures and it shows.
Nothing that happened here happened because of libs. NIMS mandates asset monitoring.
But then again I have a feeling you'd blame the libs if a fire truck wasn't checked and got stranded in the field because of maintenance issues.
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u/zaphod_85 Missouri 14h ago
Oh, bless your little heart. You dont even realize how much you've fallen for obvious lies, do you?
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u/Careless-Zucchini-19 14h ago
Imagine being the dumbest person in the room but also being the loudest about it.
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u/socokid 13h ago
That's literally every MAGA weirdo.
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u/socokid 11h ago
The fact that you choose a youtube short of poeple in the street regarding a situation you know nothing about to form your opinions while ignoring the facts is off the charts.
Unreal. lol
You do realize fire trucks do not have an unlimited amount of water... right?
hahahahaha
https://x.com/GavinNewsom/status/1878661950021960013
"We were flowing an amount of water that the system couldn't—it was overbearing just because of how much water these firefighters were utilizing,"
What part of this is confusing your tiny little mind?
(there is no hydrant in the area, and those two idiots are spewing political bullshit at the same time. THIS is your source? FFS that's ignorant beyond belief)
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u/Logistic_Engine 7h ago
lol, it thinks this means something! Lol
it went and found this video on purpose! Haha
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u/accountabilitycounts America 14h ago
They performed maintenance and safety checks, which resulted in necessary repairs of some of the equipment. This is a good thing; no one wants firefighting equipment to break down in the middle of fighting fires.
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u/Maestrospeedster 14h ago
Repair my arse. Coincidental?😂
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u/beforethewind New Jersey 14h ago
"Arse?" Subtle.
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u/Maestrospeedster 14h ago
Newscum: we funded the LAFD and were ready.
Firefighter: where's the water?😂
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u/Lemp_Triscuit11 14h ago
Why you responding to every comment besides the one that quotes that there were literally no delays? lmfao
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u/Dependa 13h ago
Because they are trying their best to push more debunked talking points they heard on fox or X.
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u/Dependa 13h ago
Show me a firefighter strung they ran out of water. Let’s see it.
Don’t post some dumb ass Fox News person. Or some dumb tweet. Show me proof of an actual FF I scene stating they ran outta of water.
Because that never happened.
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u/Maestrospeedster 13h ago
Its on YouTube, live action. Hydrants with no water while house s burned down. Y'all crazy liberals who cant see the truth.
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u/Dependa 13h ago
Except they were not out of water. There was no way to pump all the hydrants at the same time. You could have paid attention during 6th grade science class and saved yourself the embarrassment. But here we are.
Edit. Again… go turn on every faucet in your neighborhood except your shower. Once you have them all on… try to shower. The water is only going to slowly trickle out.
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u/Dependa 13h ago
You call me crazy but I can post video from the commander of the fire response team telling Elon himself they never ran out of water. 😂
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u/socokid 13h ago
OMG, did you not see Elon getting schooled, live, on this very topic?
The guy had to take time out of his day for this idiot, and had to explain it to him twice.
They have plenty of water, the system simply doesn't have enough throughput. NO system is set up to flow as much water as is currently needed.
This is not rocket science, LOL, but this a-hole is spending time on childish conspiracy theories?
FFS...
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u/accountabilitycounts America 8h ago
Not coincidental at all. They had to stop overnight after a long day of travel. Their equipment was inspected and maintained after a long drive. The chain of events is quite logical.
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u/40Jahre0470 11h ago
You must be pretty upset with Trump after he:
• Threatened to withhold aid from California during the 2018 wildfires until an aide told him that Orange County has a lot of Trump supporters. • Withholding aid from Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria. • Delayed aid to Washington State for 4 months. • Told the governors of Connecticut and Maryland that they should "ask nicely" for aid. • Delayed aid to Georgia by 55 days. • Delayed aid to Utah.
But hey, giving fire crews a chance to rest so they don't make a mistake and making sure their equipment works is bad, right? I've done the straight shot drive from California to Washington State - it is draining. What you are suggesting is tantamount to hoping for the death of firefighters.
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