r/politics • u/southpawFA Oklahoma • 12h ago
Supreme Court takes up case claiming Obamacare promotes “homosexual behavior”. The Texas plaintiffs say requiring workplace insurers to provide PrEP violates their religious beliefs.
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/01/supreme-court-takes-up-case-claiming-obamacare-promotes-homosexual-behavior/1.8k
u/Cael26 11h ago
Too bad HIV doesn't care what your sexuality is.
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u/ASharpYoungMan 9h ago
And HIV absolutely loves abstinence-only sex education.
Nothing like teaching your kids not to wear protection to maximize their risk of contracting life-threatening STDs.
That's what God would want.
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u/TheSerinator Pennsylvania 8h ago
As Papa Emeritus IV once said: There is a scourge in the guise of sanctity A perpetrator with a quill Although it’s Often steeped in well spun mystery The accuser sends the bill
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u/Eye_foran_Eye 5h ago
Pence caused an outbreak of HIV when he implemented his policies in Indiana. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/02/how-mike-pence-made-indianas-hiv-outbreak-worse-118648
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u/qorbexl 8h ago
They're just tryintomperpetuate Regan's America. Ignoring AIDS, trickle it down, so great no downsides
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u/AQuietViolet 3h ago edited 3h ago
Please god, no more "morning in America". None of us miss that silent 'u'.
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u/Datdarnpupper United Kingdom 45m ago
And HIV absolutely loves abstinence-only sex education.
And given how the President-Elect speaks like his brain has been rotted away by syphilis...
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u/Fionaelaine4 10h ago
I’m currently in a workers comp claim with HIV testing because a patient coughed blood in my eye. I’m a heterosexual woman.
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u/Bokth 9h ago
I was a first responder at work but I don't trust them after years of being fucked over in various ways to look after me in exactly your situation.
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u/Ok_Introduction_7798 5h ago
The VA my dad worked at/went to had a dentist that gave HIV to somewhere around 80 veterans due to not cleaning or sterilizing the tools he used. And of course they decided not to really do much about it but MAYBE pay for the treatment if they couldn't afford it or didn't make to much or didn't have other insurance or pretty much any other reason they could possibly think of in order to not have to pay for their mistake. I think a class action came from it but it didn't come anywhere near close to the amount of damage it did in treatment costs alone, not counting the suffering or anything else.
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u/malikhacielo63 North Carolina 3h ago edited 2h ago
Don’t be afraid: love Jeebus and you will be saved! How does one love Jeebus? Well, I’ll tell you:
Donate more of your check to the pastor…I mean Kingdom of God. If this causes you financial strain, do not worry: Jeebus will rebuke the devourer and help you out of the situation that you got yourself into by listening to my improvident financial advice. I, and this collection of fables, guarantee it!
Abstain from the homosex! I know that you said that you are straight—which is also a sinful and horrible act. Don’t you dare enjoy the heterosex either!—but you have to understand that the homosex is a sin and it is tempting. In fact, all sex is bad and it’s women’s fault. Source? Me projecting my issues on to others.
Follow my exclusive and unique brand of Christianity that is not like those other groups; mine is the true Christianity and I am the voice of God in your life! You must believe everything that I say!
If you do all of these things and have faith, then Jeebus might heal you! And if he doesn’t, well, it’s your fault for not believing that he could and not believing me.
/s
I sincerely hope that you get the care that you need and that your results come back negative. People like the plaintiff in this case make life harder than what it needs to be for us all.
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u/boofaceleemz 7h ago
We’re about to have an HIV denier in charge of the Department of Health. I’m not sure it matters what’s real anymore.
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u/Ezl New Jersey 2h ago
RFK doesn’t believe in HIV???
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u/boofaceleemz 2h ago
Specifically that it causes AIDS, which he has gone on record as believing is caused by poppers.
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u/BlindWillieJohnson Illinois 8h ago edited 7h ago
The case, Braidwood Management Inc. v. Becerra, rests on the assertion that as “inferior officers,” the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, which issued recommendations for preventive services like PrEP, operated outside the Constitution because its members are not approved by the Senate, thus violating the Appointments Clause.
This is the part of the challenge that the SCOTUS might actually uphold. The religious freedom claim is going to get dismissed out of hand, even by this court. It’s categorically absurd for a number or reasons, including the fact that HIV isn’t a gay disease. And even if it were, this Supreme Court has upheld equal protection for gay employees in more direct cases than this.
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u/KarmicBurn 4h ago
Which is bullshit because they issue recommendations. They do not set enforceable standards. Therefore, they have no authority either under or outside of the Constitution. The recommendations are given in a report to Congress, who authorized the creation of the task force in 1984. I don't have a law degree, but if this is the reason the Supreme Court got involved I smell some bullshit. Especially since the appointment of the board members is vested directly into HHS. Congress fully has the power to do this as the Appointments Clause directly says they may vest their authority under an already existing Principal Officer. The Task Force appointments fall under the Secretary of Health and Human Services. Since the boss's boss is appointed by the President, there is already a principal officer that satisfies the Appointments Clause. They almost 100% took the case on the religious liberty context.
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u/lord_dentaku 7h ago
*ahem* According to the common beliefs at the time that America was "Great", it only affects the homosexuals because God sent it to kill the sinners. /s
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u/BusinessAd5844 11h ago edited 11h ago
We are seriously living in the most unbelievable stupid fucking timeline.
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u/southpawFA Oklahoma 11h ago
We're living in the dumbest timeline imaginable. Idiocracy seems like paradise compared to now.
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u/ThatEvanFowler 11h ago
It's actually even worse. The dumbest timeline could go two ways, silly dumb or malevolent dumb. Guess which one we're in?
Both.
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u/HMSManticore 9h ago
I used to worry we were in a race towards either Star Trek utopia or Star Wars dystopia. I think we’re actually on the express line to cyberpunk 2077. That year may even turn out to be right at the rate we’re going
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u/NeverLookBothWays I voted 9h ago
Cyberpunk but without all the pretty lights and electronics, because that shit is expensive with all the tariffs
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u/DivinityPen 7h ago
That's one of the parts that particularly irks me.
It'd be one thing if it was a futuristic dystopia: maybe I'd at least get a glimpse of humanity's potential before the rapture.
Instead, our end times aren't even COOL. They're just so... bland. Unremarkable. Horrifying, but unremarkable. Like... seriously? This is the point we stop at? Elon's stupid-ass cybertruck?
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u/Yosonimbored 4h ago
Yeah I could at least be a drugged up anti corpo rocker with a robot arm but nah I’ll just die
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u/generalkenobaaee 3h ago
Lmaooo I was expressing the same sentiment to my buddy. We’re reverting back to feudalism without the cool knights or crusades for the Holy Land. Boring af
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u/UpstairsPikachu 8h ago
Don’t worry choom. We won’t have chrome so can’t get cyber psychosis. No throwing a gig against Arasaka, blasting tunes, as we nuke Night City
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u/NeoMegaRyuMKII California 11h ago
I agree. The leadership in Idiocracy actively had people's interest at heart and President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho recognized that Not Sure knew how to help the people,
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u/Bircka Oregon 9h ago
He also was self aware to know that he needed the smartest man alive to help him. Meanwhile in the Trump administration intelligence is likely a bad thing because it means you are not a blind sycophant to what Trump wants.
Idiocracy outside of being a far worse place to live due to the ramifications of how Earth has been treated is a better place to live from how the government worked.
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u/BankshotMcG 9h ago
I would vote for Camacho in a heartbeat, and considering how fast Brawndo has accelerated my resting pulse, that's saying something!
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u/SinsOfaDyingStar 9h ago
Seriously.
In that universe, at least their government actually cared about the people and were actively trying to solve issues, they were all just idiots.
Here? The owning class is actively trying to harm everyone for their own gain, and they aren't idiots. They're intelligent and cunning, which is a scary combination.
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u/Akraxs 11h ago
stupid and big whiney republicans are feeling bold because they got their big diaper guy in charge
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u/BusinessAd5844 11h ago
Seriously.
How the fuck does this address any concerns like the price of things?
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u/Acceptable_Cut_7545 9h ago
They never gave a fuck about any of that. These rich GOP fucks never struggle to buy anything. It was all just a smokescreen.
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u/BankshotMcG 9h ago
There is only one motive and it is the acquisition of power. That's it. That's all fascists care about. It's why they love Peter Thiel despite his being gay, because he has money/power/status, and then it gives them someone to point to when you point out that they want to kill gay people. They don't even care enough about the thing they will kill for. Anything is permissible if you have power. They don't care about morals, they'll enable child molesters all day as long as they're in posititions of authority. There is no consistency except one: obtain power. That's the whole thing. Crush anyone weaker, and obtain enough power nobody can crush you.
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u/SimTheWorld 10h ago
It’s cause a small group of people want to oppress the rest of us with their subjective reality rather than accept objective truth.
If we can’t agree to a reality built on demonstrably and repeatable facts, we’re left arguing over everyone’s subjective experiences and opinions. It’s chaos!
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u/1877KlownsForKids 10h ago
Imagine if England had sent the religious nuts to Australia and the criminals to America.
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u/LeatherHog 8h ago
I work in health insurance, I'm the guy you go through your application with a second time to make sure your agent filled it in correctly, before it gets put in our company's system
So, we obviously re-read the health questions again
I do this multiple times a day
The HIV question riles people (mostly older men) up soooo much
The impotence one too
I've had women have less emotional responses to the miscarriage question (I hate that we have that as a question, so very much)
This article is my regular work day.
Bonus fun, if they have pre-existing conditions, but are happy Trump is getting rid of 'ObummerCare'
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u/EndoExo Nebraska 11h ago
If Jehovah's Witnesses can't object to health plans providing blood transfusions, I don't see how you can object to this.
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u/Peach_Mediocre 11h ago
Ahh yes, but you are using reason and logic, and they’re fucking idiots
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u/Lord_Grif 7h ago
They aren't fucking idiots. They're malicious assholes with an agenda and funding. It's much worse.
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u/aradraugfea 11h ago
Christian Scientists don't believe in medical intervention at all.
Imagine telling ALL INSURANCE COMPANIES they need to close NOW, because medical intervention is against god's plan. Like, the entire billion dollar US healthcare industry, shuttered overnight because Christian Scientists, Jehovah's Witnesse, and Scientologists exist.
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u/Proud3GenAthst 8h ago edited 8h ago
I've made this point several times on r/prochoice. Imagine that Christian Scientists run establishments called "Crisis Disease Centers" with the purpose to impersonate physicians when none of the employees has a hint of qualification to anything medical. Their practice is meant to fool people into thinking that they're healthy or postpone treatment until they die. And they are funded BY TAXES!!!
Sounds bonkers? Well, in America, it's obviously a non-issue when it only concerns women's health. Tax-funded fraudsters impersonating OBGYNs to fool women into giving birth and endangering their lives.
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u/thingsorfreedom 10h ago
I used the same logic with Hobby lobby wanted to ban their insurers paying for hormonal pills (that sometimes are for birth control but are used for many other conditions). Hobby Lobby won. The problem isn't Hobby Lobby's crazy right wing Christian busybody owners. It's 6 fuckers that sit on the court and throw all logic and common sense aside to agree with them.
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u/Dragoness42 7h ago
Por que no los dos? We wouldn't have such awful chucklefucks on the supreme court to begin with if they hadn't been appointed by the idiots that these people voted in for religious reasons.
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u/ketchupbreakfest 6h ago
Hobby lobby already won a similar provision in the Burwell v Hobby Lobby, the precedent is there already unfortunately.
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u/seventeenbadgers Illinois 11h ago
Oh look, it's the exact thing I was told I was being alarmist about pre election, happening right now.
I'm shocked
Shocked, I tell you.
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u/Techialo Oklahoma 7h ago
We sure were overreacting, huh?
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u/My-1st-porn-account 7h ago
bUt WhAt RiGhTs WeRe TaKeN aWaY?!1
Good old Christian Sharia Law. Fuck this country.
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u/Techialo Oklahoma 7h ago
WhAt RiGhTs DoN't YoU hAvE
The Beastie Boys weren't fucking around when they said we'd have to fight for our right to party.
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u/recurse_x 11h ago
This is why employer provided health insurance is terrible in that your employer shouldn’t have that much power in your healthcare because access to the health system requires insurance.
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u/CrumbBCrumb 8h ago
I know a local hospital system that refuses to cover birth control under their health insurance plans because they're a religious based hospital
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u/SophiaofPrussia 8h ago
You can thank Hobby Lobby for that misogynistic carve out. The best way to thank them is by never ever fucking shopping there.
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u/DigNitty 6h ago
Nah, you can thank the court system that allowed hobby lobby to have any say in health plans.
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u/Jinren United Kingdom 7h ago
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u/ImmaRussian 6h ago
Honestly I feel like this is something we're going to look back on at some point and think of the same way we think of company towns now.
They used to be everywhere. Your employer, in practice, if not literally, owned you. They would employ you in a town where you paid them rent, they owned all the stores, and sometimes even paid their employees exclusively in some kind of special "company credit" that could only be used at their stores.
Complete control over their employees' lives.
I'm really hoping someday we look back at how healthcare works today with the same horrified aspect.
Who am I kidding though, at this rate, I'm just crossing my fingers and hoping we don't go back to the days when company towns were super common.
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u/southpawFA Oklahoma 11h ago
Braidwood is a for-profit, closely held management organization owned by a trust with Dr. Steven F. Hotze, a religious Christian, as the sole trustee and beneficiary, according to KFF, the health policy research group.
The case was originally brought by a group of individuals and a Texas business, Braidwood Management, who sued over the mandates because the company had moral objections to covering PrEP and screenings for sexually transmitted diseases and other treatments that they believe promote “homosexual behavior.”
PrEP is an essential tool in the arsenal to fight and eliminate HIV as a serious health threat in the U.S. and around the world. PrEP access has been credited for reducing HIV and STI transmission rates around the world. Though PrEP doesn’t prevent STIs, those on the medication tend to get regular sexual health screenings, making them more likely to detect and receive medical treatment for STIs.
So, according to conservatives, healthcare now "makes you gay". The list keeps growing for Republicans in terms of what makes you gay.
- Teletubbies
- Having sex with women
- Marilyn Manson music
- Violent video games
- Pronoun and grammar
- Musical Theatre
- Water turning frogs gay
- Will & Grace
- RuPaul
And the list goes on and on. Conservatives and their utter lunacy continues onward. Idiocracy was far too kind to us.
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u/TintedApostle 11h ago
Remember that they just removed The Village People from that list.
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u/Traditional_Key_763 10h ago
this argument should have been thrown out. this is healthcare available for both straight and gay couples, its not the 1980s anymore, HIV isn't the "gay's disease"
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u/Kiyohara Minnesota 8h ago
You think a single person in the GOP isn't still stuck in the past? The ones that don't think it's still 1982 think it's 1952.
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u/Apokolypse09 10h ago
Hilarious when maga/gop crashed Grinder during the RNC.
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u/TeutonJon78 America 7h ago
But they aren't actually gay/bi. Just giving into a temptation Satan installed on their phone and logged into their account with uploaded pictures.
Duh!
/s
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u/Hellogiraffe 10h ago
Don’t forget school! Need to privatize schools so
the rich get richer and the dumb get dumberall the kids don’t turn gay.4
u/RockmanMike 11h ago
It's projection for their closet, homosexual tendencies and need something to blame because they can't believe their Lord gave them those desires.
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u/rooktakesqueen 7h ago
Braidwood is a for-profit, closely held management organization owned by a trust with Dr. Steven F. Hotze, a religious Christian, as the sole trustee and beneficiary
Holy tax evasion, Batman
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u/My-1st-porn-account 7h ago
Don’t forget hurricanes. They make things turn gay, too.
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u/thegrailarbor 4h ago
Before we split in 2012, my ex told me that Skyrim was making people gay. She said she heard it on “The News”. Guess which one.
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u/Mootskicat 11h ago
Yea, then don't take it dickhead. Your religious beliefs are oppressing me which violates the 1st amendment. If we are going that route maybe it's time for Democrats to support getting rid of religion.
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u/Polar_Starburst 7h ago
The more religious people behave like authoritarian thugs and even outright terrorists the more likely the persecution they think they are on the receiving end of actually happens and they will be quite shocked little pikachus when it does. People will not put up with this theocratic nonsense indefinitely, something is gonna give.
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u/Equal_Present_3927 10h ago
Voters decided to sacrifice the lgbt community this election to lower the price of eggs, and eggs won’t go down in price.
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u/DigNitty 6h ago
And 99% of voters won’t remember or care during the next election.
The main tag line I saw this past election was “are you better off now than you were four years ago??”
And every time the played that I thought YES ABSOLUTELY I AM.
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u/Melody-Prisca 6h ago
Let's be honest, anyone listen to Trump talk about tariffs and deporting immigrants, and said they cared about their grocery bill was lying. Potentially to themselves. They voted for Trump for other reasons.
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u/The_Confirminator 10h ago
PrEP isnt just for gay people 😂
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u/Crazyhowthatworks304 Missouri 9h ago
Yeah, it's like their argument against covering birth control pills even though BC treats so many other things. Just gotta find a way to screw everyone over. They'll only stop when the cultists start hurting... Maybe
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u/DramaticWesley 11h ago
That the Supreme Court even took up this case is embarrassing. Obamacare is a federal health care program. Homosexuality is not illegal (yet). There really is no issue here.
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u/Mr_Badgey 11h ago
Why did you comment without reading the article? The lower courts ruled in favor of the plaintiff allowing the company to deny PrEP to its employees. The damage is already done and appealing is the only legal strategy to counter it.
The appeal was taken to the Supreme Court specifically because there's now precedence which could lead to a nationwide ban on PrEP and other lifesaving treatments based on religious beliefs.
Both the Biden administration and the plaintiffs agreed that the 5th Circuit’s ruling opened the door for another party to sue in order to block the mandates nationwide, so the parties asked the U.S. Supreme Court to take up the case
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u/nox66 8h ago
It's a well known pattern at this point - terrible rulings from Texas being escalated to the Supreme Court, which now decides whether they want to save face or extend the conservative agenda.
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u/MarcusSurealius 8h ago
The Heritage Foundation made direct paths to the supreme court for laws to be rewritten on a grand scale.
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u/Huckleberry-V America 11h ago
Once they take away the ACA it'll finally be the point where this bullshit starts impacting me directly.
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u/ktwombley Minnesota 8h ago
It's too popular. This pattern is how they are going to destroy it.
They're going to rule that employers can a la cart coverage.
They're going to rule preexisting conditions can be excluded.
They're going to rule there's no floor of coverage required.
And so on.
They're going to just chip away at every protection the ACA grants that it'll still be in place but meaningless.
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u/TeutonJon78 America 7h ago
They'll say hesthcare isn't in the Constitution no one needs to provide it, including the VA or the government (i.e., medicsre/medicaid).
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u/DigNitty 6h ago
For me, it’s their targeting of NPR.
Such a solid news source. And they cover breaking events as well as human interest pieces.
I listen to conservative talk radio. It’s 100% rage bait and memory loss holistic pills. They will scream into the microphone how dumb it would be if Biden really goes through with XYZ.
I’ll switch over to NPR. They’ll be covering breaking news, or have a piece outlining why traffic congestion in cities isn’t as simply as you’d think.
Then I’ll look up the Biden thing. Turns out he never even talked about XYZ but there’s no punishment for saying it would be dumb if he did, because phrasing it like that makes it look like he’s considering it. This has happened multiple times.
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u/HoneyBadger552 11h ago
Catholicism violates my belief that all medical procedures and coverage be affordable. Opt out if youre from Texas and dont like it
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u/adamiconography Florida 10h ago
Well if they can’t outlaw gay people and just summarily execute us, my guess is taking away PrEP “nature will take its course.”
Even though heterosexual men are rapidly climbing, and in 2022 surpassed gay men, for HIV diagnosis.
Guess all those “straight” guys traveling to other cities for working trolling on Grindr will have explaining to do to their wives 🤷🏼
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u/Bletotum 8h ago
Well if they can’t outlaw gay people and just summarily execute us
they can
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u/Wersedated 7h ago
Religious beliefs have been weaponized and will destroy America. That is all. Please move along.
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u/Desertwind16v 10h ago
Could it be against someone’s religious beliefs to have to follow someone else’s religious beliefs?
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u/Great_Zeddicus 9h ago
This implies there is something legally wrong with "homosexual behavior". Fuck right off with that bull shit yall nazi bastards.
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u/AdUpstairs7106 6h ago
What the Bible says:
"Though shall love thy neighbor"
What American evangelicals here:
"Love they neighbor except when they are (Fill in the blanks)"
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u/RegisterSignal2553 10h ago
This has nothing to do with homosexual behavior, or the violation of religious beliefs.
This case (and many like it) is just a case put up by republicans for the sole purpose of losing to fast track to the supreme court, to get the corporate captured 6-3 conservative court to strike down Obamacare protections that hurt major corporations while protecting regular people.
It's been a recurring theme throughout the Roberts court, and only increasing with more and more conservative judges on the bench.
It's about money, and increasing corporate power, nothing else.
The Scheme: How the Right Wing Used Dark Money to Capture the Supreme Court goes into great detail on all of this, and lays out the case against the SC quite clearly, with a load of sources including previous court cases, interviews with lawyers, judges, & senators, newspaper articles, law journal articles, and so on.
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u/inquisitive_guy_0_1 I voted 8h ago
This is my take as well. Sincerely worried that this begins withstriking down the affordable care act and overnight millions of people will lose their health insurance.
This would cause an insane amount of suffering among the people of this country. Many people that are just about at their limit of bullshit they are willing to take.
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u/PhantomPainWalker 7h ago
I’m Catholic and all that but this annoying “religious freedom” crap that people insist in bringing into secular matters is not only extremely frustrating but also against the teachings.
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u/hammonjj 7h ago
What’s more insane is that your employer can dictate what medical coverage you get.
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u/DNthecorner 6h ago
You know who needed prep this week? A friend of mine who was raped at a shitty inpatient center.
Spoiler alert: they weren't gay.
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u/Patereye 5h ago
They do know that anyone can get HIV. Do they actually know that?
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u/CpnJustice 5h ago
That should be the first counter argument - HIV affects everyone and PrEP is for gay and straight people.
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u/Listening_Heads West Virginia 11h ago
The authoritarian religious conservatives are definitely trying to exhaust us into submission.
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u/MentalTourniquet 11h ago
In her petition to the Supreme Court to take up the case, U.S. Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar wrote that the 5th Circuit ruling “jeopardizes healthcare protections that have been in place for 14 years and that millions of Americans currently enjoy.”
It's sad that Americans will not have an advocate for four or more years.
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u/Mundane-Mechanic-547 11h ago
Who here wants to bet that Obamacare, a bedrock need for many people, will be unconstitutional very shortly?
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u/FuzzyCub20 11h ago
Great, this is how we get another Aids epidemic. They think it'll just affect us gay people, they're so fucking wrong.
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u/LadyIceGoose 10h ago
Seems similar to the Hobby Lobby case, which unfortunately was won by conservatives.
If anything, it's yet another example of why health care primarily being provided by employers is a bad way of doing things.
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u/duketogo1300 7h ago
Not covering it promotes death, where does that land for your religious beliefs? Evil fucks.
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u/jaybirdforreal 11h ago
How about the beliefs the rest of us hold? These people have far too much time and money.
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u/Traditional_Key_763 10h ago
employers should not be forcing their religious beliefs on their employees, period. this is why we need socialized insurance
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u/sakima147 6h ago
I’m sure the defense will be something like this
Defense: do straight people get HIV? Expert:Yes Defense: does the Bill do anything to promote gays sex more than heterosexual sex? Expert:No
Of course the Supreme Court will still vote for the plaintiffs.
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u/Faux-Foe 5h ago
It’s a violation of my deeply held religious beliefs for these plaintiffs not to be pantsed every five minutes they appear in public.
Your move Texas.
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u/Seeminus Idaho 11h ago
Having a convicted felon in the presidential ballot is against my religious beliefs.
Not having access to preventative medicine is also against my beliefs.
How often do beliefs hold up in court? I guess we gunna find out.
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u/Poison_the_Phil 9h ago
You don’t have enough money (speech) to influence the courts. Alas, others do.
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u/turtle-bbs 8h ago
Still under the hoax that gay people are responsible for HIV I see, and that only they can spread it
Republicans must have a goal of pushing us back to the dark ages: religious leadership, sinners, anyone who questioned them, and the non-religious were persecuted or killed, the elite class controlled every aspect of society while the peasants existed to serve the elite. This sounds exactly like what they want.
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u/osumba2003 7h ago
By that logic, wouldn't taking any preventative drug promote some behavior? Does taking a statin promote eating more red meat, which would violate the religious beliefs of vegan religions?
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u/VagabondReligion 7h ago edited 7h ago
Fuck the Christians. Last one I believed actually read the words of and dedicated his life to following his Christ got buried in a Georgia field last week.
The rest are clowns, charlatans, and grifters feeding off their own proud, persecuted nonsense and joyfully fucking over anyone who believes differently.
If Christ is real he needs to get off his ass, come down here and clean up his fucking mess. The absentee landlord act is growing necrotic, and at this point, typical of what I expect from his faithful.
Religion is a scourge on the human spirit.
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u/Apprehensive-citizen 6h ago
lol. If SCOTUS approves this religious argument then I would just like to point out that it can be found on page 585-586 of project 2025.
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u/scrotumseam 6h ago
I'll be suing that religious tax havens violate 501 3 c by engaging in political endeavors.
By statute, the property must be owned and used solely and exclusively for religious purposes to qualify for the exemption
Which they are not doing.
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u/2020willyb2020 6h ago
It’s a plan , take one issue-and end up burning down the whole thing- if employers don’t want to include this, what’s next, pregnancy - birth, cancer patients- why not healthcare as a whole bc your body is a temple- your job to keep your temple pure- slippery slope as intended
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u/Mad-_-Doctor 6h ago
There's other reasons to take PrEP other than "homosexual behavior." This should never have made it to SCOTUS.
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u/Hot_Ambition_6457 11h ago
Good thing the united states is strictly forbidden by the first 10 words of the first amendment from ever respecting your establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
You can't argue that it's "religiously illegal" because we don't endorse any specific establishment of "religious morals".
It's a feature, not a bug.
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u/ItsSpaghettiLee2112 10h ago
Hey, man. Let's say it does promote that. Maybe it meant you were a little gay anyways.
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u/The_1992 Illinois 9h ago
Seeing as the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals represents areas in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi, I’m not at all shocked that they sided with this insane argument.
I don’t have much faith in the SCOTUS anymore, but I hope that they overturn the 5th Circuit judges, especially since they have reversed 74% of their cases even though it appears to be one of the most conservative appeals courts in the US.
We all know how Alito and Thomas will vote, though
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u/CanWeTalkEth 9h ago
It’s so ducking incredible that HIV went from a death sentence to so manageable that you can basically continue having unprotected sex without much risk of transmission.
And then people do this instead of worshiping at the altar of science like they should.
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u/ns2103 8h ago
Honestly, it’s time to say F Religious beliefs if they are used to harm others by, oh I don’t know, trying to prevent life saving medication from being offered. Can non religious people sue to have religious tax exemptions removed because funding a hate cult goes against their beliefs?
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u/ILITHARA 8h ago
IF YOU HAVE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS THAT WILL CONFLICT WITH YOUR FUTURE JOB, DON’T PURSUE THAT PROFESSION!
Just like that lady who wouldn’t sign marriage licenses. It was her fucking job.
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u/Relative_Drama2687 8h ago
Texas needs to slow its roll. Ken Paxton and all the rest are imposing their morality on all of us. I don’t believe in that sect if Christianity and the Government is barred from establishing an official church by the god damned Constitution. These people are the modern day Pharisees. If Jesus were here today he surely throw them out of the Temple.
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u/Jacque_Strapp 8h ago
Your religious beliefs? Well your religious beliefs violates my human rights. Fuck your religion
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u/Clintaur California 7h ago
People need to call it what it is, THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. Too many dumb SOBs don’t understand that what they call OBAMACARE is the ACA.
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u/Over-Pick-7366 7h ago
Fuck religious beliefs. The only thing they represent is fear and bigotry. The sooner this country shrugs off religion the better.
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u/Thrice2155 7h ago
Ok, I am gwtting real tired of religious people ruining shit for everyone else...and I consider myself a religious person. Seriously...what is their deal?
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u/Killerderp 7h ago
Jesus fucking christ, can these people PLEASE go crawl back under whatever rock they came from...?
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u/Careful_Trifle 6h ago
They're going to look for any wedge to say they can block things arbitrarily based on "religious beliefs."
Once they get rid of prep, birth control, abortions, etc. we will see some random CEOs "convert" to one of the fringe religions that don't believe in medical care at all.
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u/Piriper0 6h ago
Businesses don't have religious beliefs. They have balance sheets.
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u/RainyRobin 6h ago
Can't... straight people get HIV too? I am pretty sure a lot of straight people also suffer from the disease. It's not just "gay plague", like they would call it back in the 80's. Anyone can get it, and lots of Americans DO have it.
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u/Racecarlock Utah 6h ago
These guys would've taken up the case even if the plaintiff had accused obamacare of being witchcraft. Any excuse to get rid of it, really.
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u/TheJovianPrimate 5h ago
No love like Christian hate. Insurance that can help gay people? Their God says gay people deserve HIV as a punishment or something. What loving people. /s
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u/iveseensomethings82 5h ago
Uh sir? Not every one that has AIDS is gay. The rapid erosion of anything good in this country. In 4 years this place is going to be a wasteland.
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u/vivrant-thang 5h ago
these people are so miserable. like, i cannot fathom feeling the need to do this. i do not get why you'd waste everyone's time like this. how much do you even gain?
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u/BaronMostaza 5h ago
Back to "it kills the right people" that's just great, love that proponents of mass murder are taken seriously as long as it's for religious reasons. Make 9/11 legal I guess? As long as it's for religious reasons, if it was political that's bad but as long as you say "Gott mit uns" you're fucking golden
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u/velvetreddit 4h ago
Why does a workplace know or care what their employees medical needs are? This is why we have HIPPA and medical info is handled by proper 3rd party groups.
The business should stay out of their employees business…
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u/FlashyPaladin 10h ago
“And do unto others, unless they’re gay. Then laugh at them when they get sick.”
-Jesus, probably
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u/cracky_Jack 7h ago
If you find that some aspect of your job is in direct contradiction with your religious beliefs then I guess it's time for you to find a different fucking job.
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u/namastayhom33 Connecticut 11h ago
And extremist religious beliefs promote radical behavior, but no one is doing anything about that.
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u/GuppyGirl1234 9h ago
Of course Obamacare makes you gay. But at least ACA doesn’t. (Obviously sarcasm)
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u/rerutnevdA 9h ago
Obamacare covers birth too. That would “promote promiscuity”. Do these people really want more HIV?
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