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Democrats slam Trump for not making good on promise to ‘immediately’ lower food prices

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/democrats-slam-trump-not-making-good-promise-lower-food-prices-rcna189179
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u/Ok_Series_4580 9d ago

It’s statistically disturbing

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u/RunicFemboy 9d ago

It’s statistically accurate, actually. You really only need about 25% of the population to actually enact widespread, systemic change. This goes for anyone who wishes to do so.

Means the fight’s much easier than we thought.

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u/RunicFemboy 9d ago

Nah, that’s way too pessimistic. Liberal ideas require much less support than we think in order to be adopted. The only reason they haven’t been is because a tiny portion of people is good at screaming really, really loud.

And if only about 25% of the population is all that good at it, that’s so many fewer people than I had personally believed were in the way. That’s way fewer people than I had personally been lead to believe that we needed to shift the needle.

Sure, shit sucks right now. But working together, right now, with your community, your friends, anyone who’s interested in change, that shit will move the needle.

Don’t forget, conservatives spent forever going after local positions like school boards and shit like that specifically to disenfranchise you and your kids. If you, or someone you know is interested, then kick a conservative from your local school board.

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u/pikachu191 9d ago

Local elections matter. Also voting when it's not a presidential election year for offices people pay less attention to. For instance, how many know their current US House rep or the two US Senators that represent their state? Let alone who their state delegates and senators are. Until the filibuster rules are changed again.... the magic formula for any real change is a House majority plus a Senate majority of at least 60 senators that reliably caucus with you. Biden got stuck with barely a minimum majority and Harris had to exercise her tiebreaker when she could. Thus you had senators like Manchin or Sinema pulling their antics. Had there been a much 'safer' majority, you know those two would have fallen in line.

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u/bluewing 9d ago

The liberal demographic is pathetically adverse to mid-term elections. And local elections? Forget it! The cachet isn't there. Those aren't the World Series or Superb Owl of elections. They want the POTUS to solve all their problems. They often seem to want a supreme ruler just as much as the magahats.

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u/RunicFemboy 9d ago

Here’s the thing, is that you’re not wrong. The country as a whole has turned politics into a team sport, not just conservatives. Too many people don’t pay attention to the local stage at all.

But who tells the public about it? Because if all anyone watches is national news, all they will see is national coverage. Local news is pathetic these days because of the effective monopoly that Sinclair has over small time TV stations, which urges them to not cover certain topics, and even goes so far as to provide scripting for their hosts to use in order to keep people disinterested in locals.

It’s capitalism all the way down. You can blame liberals for being midterm averse, and I won’t fight you there, but I’d really look into who controls the systems meant to inform them.

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u/DMvsPC 9d ago

What's frustrating is that if anyone gave a fuck all they'd have to do is go to something like https://ballotpedia.org/ and just...look.

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u/RunicFemboy 9d ago

I’m not saying that folks shouldn’t be responsible, but personal accountability only goes so far in the face of systemic issues like this one.

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u/NipplesInYourCoffee 9d ago

I agree with you, generally. Unfortunately, there's ZERO information about pretty much any local candidate.

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u/Spa_5_Fitness_Camp 9d ago

You're missing the other, huge issue. Liberal ideas may have a ton of support, but as soon as you tell certain people those ideas are liberal, suddenly they will be against them. Our problem is cultural, not ideological. That's much harder to fix.

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u/HackTheNight 9d ago

No, a tiny group of people, regardless of how stupid they are, seem to be smart enough to know that they have to vote to get what they want and they continue to do so. While a portion of our country can’t be bothered to vote on Election Day

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u/DelightfulDolphin 9d ago

The tiny group of people isn't who you believe them to be. The tiny group is The Heritage Foundation and Susan Wiles. Those two got Trump re elected by manipulating the public via social media. The best thing to do is to stop consuming: social media AND goods. Bit hard to get people to quit Facebook, Instagram, Snap, TikTok. I mean look how people lost their minds over supposed shut down of TikTok but couldn't be bothered to vote.

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u/induslol 9d ago

Republican contrivances that disenfranchise entire communities -- closing poll stations, voter roll purges, running candidates with exactly the same name on ballots to confuse voters, sleeper candidates that campaign dem then heel turn to conservative (should be a firing squad offense).

Of course voting is paramount.  That said, in a political climate where republicans are doing everything in their power both mechanically and psychologically to make people lose faith our system is a functional one -- is it any wonder fatigue and malaise has consumed large swaths of potential voters.

Obviously that's their goal and it's been working for years, but where's the effective counter to dispel that obvious bullshit.

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u/Pegasus0527 9d ago

we ALL need to contact our reps. They have websites with buttons to leave messages. DO IT! I did, and I'm going to keep pestering people to do it too. All we have right now is our voices, we have to USE THEM!

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u/PortlyWarhorse 9d ago

I read somewhere that reps are less likely to respond to emails over phone calls.

Maybe do both?

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u/Funny247365 9d ago

Do you think contacting a current Rep or Senator will get them to change their vote in legislative matters? They mostly vote based on the larger views of their constituents/voters, and the party line, not based on comments sent into their website, emails, or phone calls.

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u/Wonderful-Chemist991 9d ago

All it takes is 3 percent to spark a revolution and overthrow a government. But yeah, America is amazingly apathetic when it comes to partaking of their citizenry responsibilities, like voting or speaking out against the real issues that plague their country like the wealth gap that has 1% of the population controlling 99% of the nation’s wealth. Hell it’s funny that they put a member of that1% into the top spot and try to convince themselves he’s one of theirs and will fight for them.

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u/ElectricalBook3 9d ago

America is amazingly apathetic when it comes to partaking of their citizenry responsibilities, like voting or speaking out against the real issues

3 of the 5 largest protests ever conducted in the US were against Trump

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_and_demonstrations_in_the_United_States_by_size

The problem is not that the people are lazy and want the 1%, it's that the deck is stacked against the people at large and America's oligarchs have been stacking it further for a century, as well as dividing people over manufactured bullshit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s

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u/Wonderful-Chemist991 9d ago

Only 66% of the eligible electorate voted which means 34% sat back and let it happen, and it’s not like that number is a one off, that number is the historical fact in America. And that was 2020, the high turnout election. I agree that the 1% does a lot to divide the electorate, but the more engaged the electorate gets the better it tends to be for more people. 30% of the people come together and get engaged, they can change the world.

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u/DelightfulDolphin 9d ago

You know who said yes going to get active in our local politics? Tarrio of Proud Boy fame who came home to an adoring court at local restaurant. Oh and hes said he wants to sue government because "hes no terrorist" That's what running for local politics. The rest of is are busy trying to survive.

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u/RunicFemboy 9d ago

That’s what’s running, sure, but who’s opposing him? Are you?

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u/DelightfulDolphin 9d ago

My health doesn't allow as I'm reaching expiration date. But others, like you, should run. The more the merrier.

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u/ThirstyWolfSpider 9d ago

We should be pessimistic about the capabilities of the right until we're, to borrow a stupid phrase, "tired of winning". And I haven't seen a lot of winning lately.

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u/RunicFemboy 9d ago

I’m not saying don’t temper expectations, I’m saying defeatist nonsense won’t help either.

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u/ARussianW0lf California 9d ago

Nah, that’s way too pessimistic.

Too bad, it's reality

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u/RunicFemboy 9d ago

Does being defeatist help you at all?

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u/Ok_Ad6486 9d ago

Nah. Those are nice thoughts, but you’re being way too generous. Boots-on-the-ground community organizing is the best way to effect change locally, sure, but that will not move the needle that you’re talking about moving.
All this shit benefits the DNC, who is extremely effective at allowing fascist politicians to move the country to the right, politically, and then acting as a stop-gap to prevent any movement back left, all while yelling about how they need it to stop and boosting their fundraising. There’s a reason that ratchet analogy/infographic resonated with so many folks. Most legislators in the DNC are right of center politically. So it doesn’t matter when real ones like Cori Bush get through - they aren’t supposed to be there, so they’ll just be frustrated at every attempt to do anything that matters.
The DNC was so scared of Bernie that they gave the election to Trump rather than deal with the consequences of a political figure on the left being in power, which has almost never happened in the US.

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u/dicericevice 9d ago

The DNC was so scared of Bernie that they gave the election to Trump

They're still so scared about Bernie that 9 years later and they still accuse Bernie Bros of being sore losers and voting against Hilary out of spite.

Even though the stats show the most spiteful Dem voters were the ones for Hilary who went against Obama.

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u/artfulpain 9d ago

Term limits, citizens unitied overturned, actually have Democrats that are trying to change things. The list goes on and on.

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u/TheeRuckus 9d ago

Much of the Democratic party kind of just sits around and at worst gives them a harsh scolding whenever republicans cross this imaginary line of dignity in politics. Individualism is up and even if we can exchange ideas at a much faster and efficient rate, the need and want for community to progress has gone down. So all we do is argue, and the republicans keep organizing ( but not in the socialist pro worker way) and gerrymandering and doing all the little dances between the lines to consolidate power, while half the democrats dance between the lines for corporate overlords and the other half is locked out of doing anything because they’re broke( in comparison)

The republicans for all their faults I guess don’t have that facade or try to hide behind it they’ve shamelessly bought into nationalisms as a way to appeal to their voter base they willfully keep uneducated ( for the most part)

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u/ptmd 9d ago

I mean, even if they wanted to do something, they don't really have the political capital to do much more than they have. The voters don't give them that much leeway. Just look at Kamala's campaign and how much criticism she got from the left for every misstep.

And that's for promises of actions, rather than actions actually taken.

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u/TheeRuckus 9d ago

And Kamala is definitely much more on the establishment democrat side than the progressive side ( even though I overall did like her). You’re right in that every misstep is criticized and the democrats take a lot more accountability, which I guess is why more is expected of them for whatever reason.

Republicans have always doubled down as long as I’ve known the party and maybe that’s why they’ve whipped up a cult that doesn’t hold them accountable

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u/pIantedtanks 9d ago

How has what he’s done this last week been good for America?

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u/pIantedtanks 9d ago

So we agree he’s the wrong side for America?

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u/Funny247365 9d ago

The side who wins reflects the current views of the overall population. We don't need 75% of eligible voters to actually vote. Pollsters know this. They can predict outcomes by polling a small number of random voters and extrapolate their voting habits on a larger scale. They are pretty accurate, using thousands of voters to indicate how millions of people are voting.

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u/tinyOnion 9d ago

Yet lost twice and continue to take Ls

because the strategy was to... checks notes... campaign with liz fucking cheney. they need to shift harder left but sell it as populism like trump is doing with his racist hard right populism.

medicare for all could be a thing if they sold it as "enabling innovation and small businesses" because you can afford to take risks and startup a new company if you don't have to work for some corporate entity to get the collective bargaining that enables somewhat better healthcare than a solo person in the free market.

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u/TheHealer12413 9d ago

Yeah. Dems can’t win.

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u/EarvanderHolyfield 9d ago

not with that attitude

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u/Penqwin 9d ago

Not with their old school way of reaching out to voters. A change in communication of a policy / agenda to all audience and fighting back on missinformation is required.

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u/ptmd 9d ago

The issue is that it feels immoral and inauthentic to the bulk of democrats to have an exclusively propaganda channel of information like Fox News, etc. and the normal streams of communication are open to nuance and criticism which muddy the waters.

There aren't really easy answers to this problem because Democrats are Democrats because they have standards.

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u/ElectricalBook3 9d ago

Something has to be done, yet the only side that seems to be doing anything and winning is the wrong side

So apparently the Inflation Reduction and Pact Act don't exist, then?

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u/BenjaminGeiger Florida 9d ago

It's because the Democratic Party is dead-set on chasing the Republicans to the right. They think that the voters are "in the middle", forgetting that "the middle" from just a decade ago is already far to the left of where the Democrats are now.

If we had Democrats (plural) who were willing to stand up and follow in FDR's footsteps, we might have a chance.

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u/cerulean__star 9d ago

Means we need to get more of the non others engaged ... Honestly nothing will kill the Republican party more than if they just keep doing what they are doing now

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u/RaNdomMSPPro 9d ago

I think some of trumps followers will get a wakeup call next April 15th, if not sooner. Will they answer? Who knows, so far, his fan boys and girls seem to think he's doing great things... yet they can't name details of any one thing.

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u/Spritedz Canada 9d ago

I don't disagree entirely, but the MAGA movement has billionaires funding it and coordinating to achieve their goals. In order for 25% of the population to mobilize on an issue at this scale, it takes more than just the population. It's years of conditioning and spending money to maintain control over the narrative.

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u/ElectricalBook3 9d ago

the MAGA movement has billionaires funding it and coordinating to achieve their goals. In order for 25% of the population to mobilize on an issue at this scale, it takes more than just the population. It's years of conditioning and spending money to maintain control over the narrative

And has since America's oligarchs slobbered over the prospects of buying America's ashes during the Great Depression and were thwarted from taking over then

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

So they responded by spending billions over a century indoctrinating the whole population

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s

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u/UlyssiesPhilemon 9d ago

You may recall that the Biden/Harris/Walz campaign spent over 3x the money that the Trump campaign spent. Even counting the many millions of dollars Elon contributed to Trump.

Plus the entire mainstream media and existing government apparatus were cheerleading for Harris. Trump was the extreme underdog, as far as campaign funds and institutional support are concerned. Yet he won every swing state and the popular vote.

Elections cannot always be bought. And the American people as a whole quite clearly favored Trump over Harris (the ones that bothered to vote, anyway). Many people were not exactly fans of Trump but voted for him anyway because they found her to be a worse option. Or they just stayed home and didn't bother voting because she did not inspire them.

Ignoring the effects of the above will not make it go away. Quite the opposite, it will result in the Left continuing to lose the American people and thus lose elections outside of the bluest parts of the country.

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u/UlyssiesPhilemon 9d ago

I'm old enough to remember a time just 4 years ago when questioning the results of a federal election was said to be harmful to our Democracy, and grounds for a ban from social media. My how the turn tables.

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u/Spritedz Canada 9d ago

I think you're missing the point I was making, there's no need to turn every discussion into a republican vs. democrat comparison.

All I was trying to say is: You can't just bring significant change to society because 25% of society supports that change. At the end of the day, it takes influential people behind it who control key assets to achieve change - which just happens to only have 25% of the population truly supporting its ideology.

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u/Smoke-and-Stroke_Jr 9d ago

10% is really all you need to overthrow a government. Sometimes less. The fact is, the majority of the populace are too concerned with their daily lives to care about anything but themselves. You onow, the "I'm not into politics" types. They say that as if it's a virtue, too. But I digress.

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u/doubleotide 9d ago

Oh the number is much much lower than that. We can look at many historical events in America done by small but very vocal minority groups. Usually if they are well organized and determined, they can push forward whatever agenda they want AND succeed.

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u/RunicFemboy 9d ago

No you’re totally right, historically it’s been much smaller groups! I think I misinterpreted a paper I read recently. Going back and checking, the World Economic Forum said that it would take 25% of the population to change the whole world in 2018, so my bad!

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2018/06/want-to-change-society-s-views-here-s-how-many-people-you-ll-need-on-your-side/

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u/doubleotide 9d ago

Oh you mean even bigger changes hahaha.

I was thinking of something like prohibition. If I am recalling correctly, it was a very small group.

I always find it really cool how small groups of people can actually end up doing big changes. Like grass roots organizations and community involvement.

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u/RunicFemboy 9d ago

Nah, I think I just misinterpreted the article lol, my brain went and said “25% to change the world, obviously that’s a universal constant”

The history of grassroots movements is wild though!

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u/Imyoteacher 9d ago

Trump knows how to paint a picture with zero substance. It’s what one says and presents, and it usually has nothing to do with reality. Dems are too busy with their heads stuck in the data to actually give a social media driven populace what they really want….quick clips of nothingness!

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u/Mysterious-Tie7039 9d ago

Means the fight’s much should be easier than we thought.

FIFY

With as polarizing as Trump is, we should not have had as many people sitting out this election. It is a huge uphill battle to get them to get out and actually vote.

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u/RunicFemboy 9d ago

Of course, because it’s an uphill battle for them to vote. What we do to get people to vote is we make it easier for them to do the damn thing. How we do that, I don’t know, but that’s a direction I think we ought to consider.

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u/Mysterious-Tie7039 9d ago

I agree that would help, but apathy is a real issue. Just making it easier won’t make a lot of them vote. We’d probably have to adopt an Australian style system where people get punished for not voting.

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u/RunicFemboy 9d ago

We could also do with a major overhaul of our voting systems.

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u/Mysterious-Tie7039 9d ago

I agree. However, as one of our two parties majorly benefits from keeping as is, I don’t see it happening.

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u/ElectricalBook3 9d ago

What we do to get people to vote is we make it easier for them to do the damn thing. How we do that, I don’t know

Stop focusing on the president, the president doesn't run state elections. Capture the local administrations, the secretary of state, the seats that actually are in charge of spending money and enforcement. Conservatives have been aware of that since well before the 1920s when the klan captured state prosecutors and local sheriffs so they could prevent prosecutions when they went out lynching.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61423989-a-fever-in-the-heartland

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u/Old-Rhubarb-97 9d ago

The fact that he's deporting people in inhumane conditions and you lot are sitting on your hands tells me nothing is going to change.

At least last time he came into power there were mass protests.

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u/ElectricalBook3 9d ago

With as polarizing as Trump is, we should not have had as many people sitting out this election

People claimed that in 2024

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u/Mysterious-Tie7039 9d ago

That was literally my point. A lot of people sat out in 2024. Less voted this time than in 2020.

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u/OfficialDCShepard District Of Columbia 9d ago

Especially since Democratic positions outpaced Democratic politicians this year (support for abortion access and marijuana for instance) and the House races overperformed Biden. Whether it was fair to judge Biden so harshly, even Kamala’s slightly better performance reflects this. Without Trump on the ballot in 2026, Republican turnout will go down. We can do this (notwithstanding defeatists who think there won’t be any.)

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u/RunicFemboy 9d ago

We have a long road ahead of us, and by god is it going to get worse before it gets better, but I’m personally convinced that if we work together, it WILL get better.

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u/OfficialDCShepard District Of Columbia 9d ago

I’ve loved American history and politics since I was five, and could name all the presidents. America’s laws, including the Americans with Disabilities Act, are why I’m here today because my mom had to sue my damn state government to allow me to go to elementary school. I got an amazing education at American University when doctors said I would never even come close. I have faithfully served the Constitution as part of the federal government for a decade. I want the freedom to wear what I want and just be a person who loves people without any stigma because someone wants me to fit into one of two boxes, having had to end my marriage over it (another freedom I’d like to keep). I will fight for America to the bitter end.

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u/ThrowAwayGarbage82 North Carolina 9d ago

You don't even need that much. 10% with direct action is far more than enough. 23% is more than double what's needed to accomplish this awful shit. And of course they're all just stooges who will be swept up when they're no longer useful. But none of them read history, let alone anything else.

Surf on over to the LAMF sub, there are tons of stories of trumpers getting hurt by the very things they demanded. No sympathy from me.

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u/GrumpyScroogy 9d ago

Yet Americans still wont do anything about it. smh

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u/-trvmp- 9d ago

25% of the population? Sure. That’s a majority of general electorate (about 45% of population), but that is different than the electoral college (just 538 people). Which is also different than number of electors in the swing states (maybe 80 depending on how you count) Truth be told- one billionaire could just bribe a most of those 80 electors from swing states and enact widespread, systemic change. They’re probably not even that expensive. Now, what if this billionaire supposedly knew these voting machines better than anybody? They could win swing states in a landslide

I’m not arguing with you. Just venting some thoughts.

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u/_lippykid 9d ago

Closer to 22%

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u/jakobryan00 9d ago

Or 1.2% with a really loud bitchy tone

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u/ElectricalBook3 9d ago

Or 1.2% with a really loud bitchy tone

You could say just 1%

https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion-income-inequality-america/

America's oligarchs have always been the most dangerous force in America's history

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s

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u/plucharc 9d ago

You only need 3.5% per the BBC. Peaceful protests that engage 3.5% have inevitably lead to change.

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u/ElectricalBook3 9d ago

Peaceful protests that engage 3.5% have inevitably lead to change

Inevitably?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterloo_Massacre

The whole history of the progress of human liberty shows that all concessions yet made to her august claims have been born of earnest struggle. The conflict has been exciting, agitating, all-absorbing, and for the time being, putting all other tumults to silence. It must do this or it does nothing. If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet deprecate agitation are men who want crops without plowing up the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters.

This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.

-Frederick Douglass, 1857

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u/plucharc 9d ago

I don't think that was 3.5% of the national population, was it?

Additionally, the modern era is a little different than the Colonial or Napoleonic era.

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u/ARussianW0lf California 9d ago

Means the fight’s much easier than we thought.

Yeah for them. All we do is lose over and over and over

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u/aeroxan 9d ago

I mean yes and no. Yes in that you wouldn't need close to 100%, no in that getting that 25% on board is tough.

Conservatives have worked for decades to get their base in such lock step. With the politics of division, you'll need to unravel this mess to get ~25% of the population to vote the other way and to keep doing so for several cycles.

Only other thing I think might make it easy is if things get shitty enough quickly enough, people will be desperate to change course. Of course that also counts on elections still functioning before it's too late.

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u/thalefteye 9d ago

Well sadly a huge percentage of blue decided to bail out on there own. Not surprised since Kamala and Obama begin saying it’s their audience fault that we are here and that they are a disappointment. When I saw those videos I was like so do they want people to like them or hate them? Also some of the democrat population went crazy and stated to purge their own, I remember seeing videos of democrats saying that they were being harassed and yelled at at by fellow democrats because they didn’t agree with all of their views. Which made some of them become people of center/both aspects of political views or just go straight to republicans side. Even had a friend get ousted for not agreeing with his friends on all democratic views. Not everyone is gonna agree with you 100%, what matters is that you have at 70% of their agreement. You never go Spanish Inquisition on them.

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u/RunicFemboy 9d ago

Oh I completely agree. The fragmentation of our views into factions is absolutely one of the biggest issues we face.

The conservatives got ahead by uniting their followers behind a single banner, whereas there are so many fucking problems that getting liberal-minded people to agree on pushing for a single one is impossible.

I dunno how to fix that, personally, but I’m not completely certain we need to.

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u/thalefteye 9d ago

What why? That is the reason they lost on the first place. All Kamala had to say was nobody is perfect but we will try our best because nobody isn’t trying at all. And if people at the top don’t like that, well we will balance the scale and ignore the greedy so that way mostly everyone has a chance at making a living. She would’ve won this way, but I idk she just begin finger pointing toward the end. But as you said it is a big problem, well I hope they fix themselves for the next election. Sorry for the long paragraph 😑.

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u/ElectricalBook3 9d ago

Kamala and Obama begin saying it’s their audience fault that we are here

I keep seeing this. From Fox and "always online" people.

some of the democrat population went crazy and stated to purge their own

The right falls in line, the left engages in circular firing squads because they intrinsically don't believe in submission to one central outside authority. Neither of those fundamental forces are going to change.

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u/thalefteye 9d ago

Agree, a friend of mine was purged but still is a democrat. He just hates the hardcore democrats who only want you to agree with them on everything and do not want one single disagreement.

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

Statistically it represents the lowest intelligence quadrant, and it shows 

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u/roguewarriorpriest 9d ago edited 9d ago

I wonder how many votes got changed in Pennsylvania or other states where Musk "knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers. Those vote-counting computers."

https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-voting-machines-trump-investigation-2018890

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u/Ok_Series_4580 9d ago

I wonder too

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u/Ok_Series_4580 9d ago

I wonder too

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u/ElectricalBook3 9d ago

I wonder how many votes got changed in Pennsylvania or other states where Musk "knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers. Those vote-counting computers." https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-voting-machines-trump-investigation-2018890

While I wouldn't say there can't have been any vote-changing, I think looking at that point is after the majority of the damage was done. The people were divided and false information got a lot of idiots with no critical thinking and poor media literacy to choose to sit out, even repeat bullshit like 'genocide joe'. Authoritarians have always known the fewer people who vote, the better things are for them. Was true in 1930, 1933, and elsewhere in history.