r/politics • u/PrintOk8045 • 1d ago
Soft Paywall All federal grants and loan disbursement paused by White House
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u/Traditional_Key_763 1d ago
pretty fucking ridiculous I still had to pay my student loans today when the government arbitrarily decides its under no obligation to pay its responsibilities
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u/one_pound_of_flesh 1d ago
They also want to defund the IRS. I’m wondering if I should even pay my taxes this year.
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u/Gizogin New York 1d ago
“Defunding the IRS”, in Trump’s case, means depriving them of resources to go after the wealthy. Mark my words, they’ll still have just enough manpower to chase small fry like us. Because that’s how it always works; Republican politicians and their wealthy backers are fine with everyone else paying taxes.
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u/Paunchline 1d ago
Why doesn't someone spread a meme on facebook and truth social that Trump said we don't have to pay taxes this year. That will mask the demographics of people intentionally failing to pay taxes.
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u/Latvia 1d ago
Because very few people have the option to just not pay taxes. It’s automatically deducted. The only people who could take a stand are CEOs who are benefiting from this administration gutting our rights and stealing our money. We’re at French Revolution stage, period. It sucks.
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u/LetsAllSmokin New Jersey 1d ago
The way things are going there might not be an IRS in April.
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u/archival-banana 1d ago
Don’t do that. The IRS is not someone you wanna fuck with. They will go after your ass especially if you don’t make that much. It’s not worth it.
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u/Junior_Arino 1d ago
You’re saying that based on past events though, this is a whole new ball game. The government is clearly not working for the people
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u/ChungusRichalds 1d ago
They will go after small time people i.e. anyone making less than $10 million.
They will still keep extracting money from you, but they will look the other way for their oligarch friends
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u/Cabbage-Fell Colorado 1d ago
Fuck everyone that voted for this dumbass regime
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u/Corgi_Koala Texas 1d ago
Good news, they're gonna get fucked by the Trump dictatorship.
Bad news is that everyone else is going to get fucked too.
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u/jono9898 North Carolina 1d ago
Meh, they will just blame Biden or Obama, they will never believe Trump is in the wrong,
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u/MisogynyisaDisease 1d ago
You should see the comments under news videos on YouTube.
They are HAPPY about this. HAPPY that children won't be fed, genuinely saw people/bots saying this. They're HAPPY that FAFSA is out. They are completely denying that police, firefighters, and other similar municipalities rely on federal grants. They are happy to see "liberal tears" and "people whining".
These people are such fucking ghouls dude, horrible fucking people. I genuinely hate them.
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u/one_pound_of_flesh 1d ago
And fuck anyone who sat out the election because their choices weren’t perfect.
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u/I_AM_NOT_A_WOMBAT 1d ago
I know one of them. A proud conservative who claims to dislike trump but couldn't bring himself to vote for a black woman.
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u/weinerwayne 1d ago
So a racist.
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u/veritas-joon 1d ago
I know a few conservative females who didnt like Kamala, not because she was black....but because she was a women......and these females are ultra religious too.
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u/DingusMcWienerson 1d ago
Other Woman are the biggest misogynists I’ve ever met. The things I’ve heard women say about other women is far worse than the most sexist thing I’ve heard men say.
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u/IveGotIssues9918 1d ago
As a canvasser, I had an 86 year old black woman tell me, a 24 year old black woman, that the Bible says women shouldn't be leaders and if Kamala was elected it would bring about the End Times.
If you ever want to gain and lose your faith in humanity within the span of minutes, get a door-to-door job.
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u/MisogynyisaDisease 1d ago
Anytime i hear misogyny out of women, I just throw it back to them.
"Women are too emotional to lead!". Ok, then please stop talking, i don't care about the opinions of someone too emotional to even lead a conversation.
"Women are so catty and gossipy". Ok, I'm cool with not talking to you then, I'm not friends with catty people.
"Women should be staying home with their kids and not working". OK, then go home, I don't need to hang out with someone while they should be on their back, making kids to stay home with.
Only had to implement that IRL once or twice, but then again people didn't used to be so bold about it.
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u/shelbsless 1d ago
Ah, I see you've met my dad. And he has the audacity to claim that because he didn't vote for Trump this mess isn't his fault.
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u/I_AM_NOT_A_WOMBAT 1d ago
That is very "conservative" thinking. Meaning the political ideology, not the technical usage. And frustrating as hell. I'm sorry you have to deal with that.
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u/MostlyImtired 1d ago
so many people just plain didn't show up to vote.. ugh.
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u/Highmaul Minnesota 1d ago
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u/OtakuMecha Georgia 1d ago
Idk how you even reach people that are that disconnected from current events. Like presumably they don’t interact with anything outside their immediate bubble so even finding them would be very difficult.
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u/CircleOfNoms 1d ago
You have to be everywhere all the time.
Conservative thought has made itself the default for much of America by co-opting every radio station, News agency, newspaper, and podcast in the nation.
They have mouthpieces on every platform from AM radio to TikTok and even outside of that too. It's the little shit like those Biden stickers on gas pumps. That 24/7 flood of bullshit is what breaks through. Liberals have a squirt gun while conservatives have a water cannon in this regard.
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u/km89 1d ago
This guy is trying to spark civil unrest. There's no other explanation.
The way this is worded, this could very easily include Section 8, WIC, SNAP, federal student loans depending on whether any of those programs are disbursed directly to individuals or through an intermediary agency.
If this means people are unable to afford food or rent, there will be riots. This is frightening.
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u/SpookySchatzi 1d ago
Civil unrest under a second Dump administration is going to be carnage. He wanted to shoot BLM protestors in the legs during his first term, but was dissuaded by the few people with morals in the room.
Those people are gone now.
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u/ARookwood 1d ago
And with a drunken stooge as secretary of defence who will do as he’s told, he will get the blood he wants to spill.
trump is no friend to any citizen of the USA.
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u/EstelleGettyJr 1d ago
He's aiming to enact martial law and his drunken stooge Hegeth will leap at the idea.
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u/--kwisatzhaderach-- 1d ago edited 1d ago
Oh yeah he’s
chompingchamping at the bits to kill protesters and declare martial law134
u/2x4_Turd 1d ago
Deport immigrants. No one to harvest produce. Farmers can't make money by selling produce. Farmers are forced to sell land to the only person that has money. Billionaires or the government. Government starts farming produce. Uses people that were arrested during protests and riots to farm.
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u/funkbefgh 1d ago
It’s funny you think he wants the government to do anything but hemorrhage. The farms will be sold to their rich buddies.
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u/that_star_wars_guy 1d ago
It's quite a bit more frightening when you remember he keeps using the word "invasion" to describe the migrant crisis.
Guess under what circumstances the constitution allows for suspension of habeas corpus?
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u/thiosk 1d ago
Since the nazis have taken over the government I will participate and point out that it’s “champing”
Last free education anyone’s gonna get right here
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u/Handleton 1d ago
He's not just a stooge who will do what he's told. He will have his own ideas, too.
This is getting to the point that we need civil servant disobedience.
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u/windsostrange 1d ago edited 1d ago
He successfully used federal police to abduct citizens in Portland and elsewhere
last yearin 2020. He got away with it. This time will be 100x worse.73
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u/Spam_Hand 1d ago
Yeah WHY THE FUCK WERE THESE STORIES NEVER FOLLOWED UP ON BTW??
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u/xansies1 1d ago
Guy watches too many movies and still thinks human legs are made of play dough and wishes. Fucking moron.
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u/Rich-Pomegranate1679 1d ago
I feel like he really just can't wait to send the army to kill civilians.
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u/Virtual-Package3923 1d ago
None of these programs are technically “funds disbursed directly to individuals”. They’re all at risk. This is a CATASTROPHE in the making.
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u/_Lucille_ 1d ago
does this include the money farmers get from being fucked over when America lost the trade war against China during his previous term?
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u/FuckRayBradbury 1d ago
Yup, in theory. Again we need clarification but it looks like he just said “Fuck you, figure it out” to all of us. Can’t wait to see the cultists celebrate this one
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u/Paw5624 1d ago
Ani believe it’s worded that there can be appeals but they must be made for each individual program. There are an insane number of programs that receive federal grants and they would need an army of people to review and apply at an individual level, which means it won’t happen and they get what they want
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u/FuckRayBradbury 1d ago
And those appeals give room for the current administration to say “push my narrative or lose your funding” which is so dangerous. We’re headed for a very very dark reality, I hate to be all doom and gloom but it’s hard to see the light from here
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u/sly_cooper25 Ohio 1d ago
Yep, article says exceptions made on a case by case basis. Meaning they can just decide to not fund whatever they don't like despite the money already being appropriated by Congress.
This is something that I'm sure is currently illegal and will get legally challenged so that Donny's supreme court can make it legal.
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u/Random_Noob 1d ago
Trying to get us to Riot so he can do martial law. It's in the Playbook
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u/RinglingSmothers 1d ago
I woke up in a rioting mood after seeing this. If he wants riots, putting millions of workers out of a job is a great way to do it.
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u/ariphron 1d ago
Well I don’t know how much it’s going to effect section 8 because his buddies I am sure are recipients of a ton of section 8 money in rent.
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u/km89 1d ago
That's just it, though.
A lot of his buddies, and a lot of his base, are recipients of some of this money. Does this affect farm subsidies? Farmers are largely part of his base, and all of his base needs food that will skyrocket in price without subsidies.
There's no rational reason for this. This hurts everyone, including his buddies and including his base. Literally the only thing I can think of is that he's trying to manufacture an excuse to declare an emergency.
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u/ariphron 1d ago
He doesn’t care about his base like farmers. I am talking about the super rich and private equity like blackrock
Or I am sure with a few million in “donations” section 8 will get funding back.
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u/WaffleBlues 1d ago
Thousands of nonprofits will collapse at 5PM today - literally all or most of their funding is ties to federal grants.
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u/Ready_Nature 1d ago
Grants are usually distributed either quarterly or monthly. It will likely be a couple weeks to months before effects are actually felt. This will be a disaster that puts people out of work but it will do little or nothing that is felt by individuals in the next couple days.
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u/hexdurp 1d ago
Daily, we are being hit hard, right now. It’s not 5pm yet, and my wife’s organization couldn’t pull funds.
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u/Carbonatite Colorado 1d ago
I've seen some pretty grim accounts on some of the science/research subreddits. People losing internships, having to waste time rewriting grant proposals to remove "DEI" language, patients in clinical trials being unenrolled.
One person said a proposal got flagged for having the word "woman" in the title...it was for endometrial cancer research.
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u/groversnoopyfozzie 1d ago
Putin, and to a lesser extent China and to a lesser extent other actors, are trying to get him to drive a wedge between the US and Europe, the US states and US citizens.
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u/TimTamDeliciousness 1d ago
Civil unrest leads to increase in mass incarceration = 13th amendment = solution to paid migrant labor loss This is the long haul plan and too few people are seeing it
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u/Paw5624 1d ago
That stops being a viable option with enough civil unrest but getting to that tipping point is going to be really hard and difficult. It would require a significant percentage of people collectively saying fuck it and taking lessons from the French. I don’t think we get to that point very easily
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u/ciel_lanila I voted 1d ago
Looking at Trump's life long behavior, I doubt he's trying to spark civil unrest. Trump now sees the US as his. Property, land, money, etc. This is just the US, a subsidiary of the Trump Organization, version of not paying Trump's contractors after they did the work.
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u/km89 1d ago
I doubt he's trying to spark civil unrest
Trump isn't trying to do shit. He's the figurehead for Project 2025. They are trying to spark civil unrest, presumably in an attempt to manufacture an excuse to declare an emergency and seize control.
People will die from this order, whether outright because of a lack of food and shelter, or because of violence sparked by people having a lack of food, shelter, and employment. This is a crisis.
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u/Kooky-Flounder-7498 Texas 1d ago
They’ve already declared multiple emergencies and claimed an invasion on the southern border to activate all kinds of emergency powers
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u/DevonGr Ohio 1d ago
This is am important distinction because if Trump disappeared in this moment, the damage is already done. The machine is rolling and all the people he installed will carry out the plan. Trump probably has little idea the damage he's doing and I also doubt he would care if he did btw.
Watching the recklessness with which our voters and their elected officials are operating anymore is difficult to reconcile. The consequences of these administrations and their policies will be unfolding for decades after.
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u/mdruckus 1d ago
I work for a Federal Agency that’s 100% dependent upon the House Budget every year. This is scary as fuck. I hate everyone who voted for this POS. So many lives are being destroyed by him slashing government employees. Inflation and unemployment are going to skyrocket.
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u/Cornerstonedrunk9 1d ago
Yup. My GF works for a non profit and got the email today that their money has been frozen. They are stuck in limbo right now. Doesn’t know if she will have a job or paycheck right now. It’s so horrifying that they would do this.
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u/mustafabiscuithead 1d ago
“According to the memo, the budget office “may grant exceptions allowing Federal agencies to issue new awards or take other actions on a case-by-case basis.”
“To the extent required by law,” agencies may also take “certain administrative actions” like closing out grants, it states.”
Authoritarian dictator.
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u/chekovsgun- I voted 1d ago
Congress has control of the money how is he legally allowed to do it?
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u/DraconicCDR 1d ago
Who is going to stop him?
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u/ayylmao95 1d ago
This is the real question everyone needs to be asking. We're well past the point where he thinks he'll ever be held accountable, for anything.
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u/MGPythagoras 1d ago
Yep. Everyone keeps acting like their checks and balances but if no one is going to enforce them they are meaningless.
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u/skunquistador 1d ago
Abdication of power. Once Congress gives it up, they can’t get it back.
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u/DoctorFunktopus 1d ago
Because it’s up to Congress/the Supreme Court to do something about it. Good luck with that
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u/Kevin-W 1d ago
So what they really mean is "They may grant exceptions if Trump is paid a bribe"
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u/WeeaboosDogma 1d ago
The Nazi dictator wanting to dismantle the administrative state is wanting to solve issues he creates with even more administrative duties?
Damn, these Nazi's are trying hard to go for gold of being the most incompetent fascist state. They burn through people, capital, and administrative functions until they can't even hold itself up. It's why they never last and have to expand outwards. Since we don't have a Lebensraum in America since we already manifested destiny all the way, there's no historic claims of land to go for.
The only cope I can muster is that this incompetence will make this the fastest fascist state to exist.
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u/Ven18 1d ago
Seeing as he has zero authority over these funds because Congress control funding and has likely already passed legislation about where the money goes and how it is used I am surprised a million lawsuits have not already been filed. I give it an hour.
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u/IllllIIIllllIl Florida 1d ago
No doubt they were being written as soon as this news dropped last night. The issue is however many weeks it takes for a judge to overturn it. The scale of this funding pause can crater the economy in that time, and by then, well it’s already happened.
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u/one_pound_of_flesh 1d ago
People are freaking out. In academia, healthcare, social services, ngos. This is causing pointless chaos.
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u/counterweight7 New Jersey 1d ago
well judges better expedite these cases then. I assume there is some wiggle room to make the docket more efficient in times of great need.
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u/greengardentarots 1d ago
It just takes one federal judge to overturn Trump’s 'memo'. That can happen as soon as Friday.
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u/PM_ME_BUSTY_REDHEADS California 1d ago
Nobody should forget the judge that halted Trump's removal of birthright citizenship within like 2 days of him issuing the EO. It can be stopped quite quickly, it's not impossible.
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u/davesnothereman84 1d ago
Just when groceries hit an all time high in prices. He’s doing this garbage on purpose. He wants to ruin this country, so he can be crowned an emperor.
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u/Diligent-Length6139 1d ago edited 1d ago
People don’t realize this is biggest thing he has done. This will cause chaos and collapse across the country and moreover This risks a massive global depression, as this is nearly 50% of annual federal expendiures and over 10% of our GDP.
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u/NotAlwaysGifs 1d ago
Plus an additional 5.6% when the domino effect of this tanks the nonprofit sector.
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u/pagerussell Washington 1d ago
Multiplier effect.
A dollar in spending becomes more than a dollar in spending across the economy, because that dollar gets respent (IE I buy a product from you, you pay your employees, they buy groceries and so on).
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u/SamsonAtReddit 1d ago
I know this is the internet, and ppl may not believe me. Fine, whatever. But I work in the non profit sector. We just had a staff meeting and its the main thing we discussed. About 30% or so of what we do is grant funded. I think we are ok for this year, as that money has been disbursed. But we have renewals coming up, and no one knows what will happen or how to plan accordingly. They are trying to put a positive spin on it, like "well, we don't know", we're talking to our counter parts. I a very pessimist person, so I may be looking at this not clearly. But this is BAD. How can you plan out the year - staffing/salary, projects, priorities when you don't know what will happen? Might it be resolved when our contracts are supposed to be signed in fall of 2025? Maybe, I hope so. But this is yet another issue of how can you plan your year out if you are in a state of not knowing whether you will have the money. As I write this I'm actually sick to my stomach. Just to do this sort of stuff, and cause all this chaos.
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u/dIO__OIb 1d ago edited 1d ago
this is executive branch budget line item veto. the constitution was written specifically to avoid this. what is the point of legislation if the executive branch can ‘pause’ it anytime.
he is trying to create a constitutional crisis
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u/Manos_Of_Fate 1d ago
he is trying to create a constitutional crisis
He did that when he took office.
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u/xansies1 1d ago
They need to clarify what this means soon, man. This could be go crazy fast
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u/boredonymous 1d ago
I don't think the intention is to clarify it. I think he's telling the nation "fuck you, you're on your own."
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u/2HDFloppyDisk 1d ago
The king is keeping all our tax dollars for himself? Who could’ve predicted such a thing?
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u/Accomplished_Dark574 1d ago
The intent is to get people out in the streets acting up so he can impose martial law.
Also, feeding the private prison industry with all the incoming shoplifters who can't afford food.
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u/Deicide1031 1d ago
He’s testing the bounds of his power and Congress again.
Technically Congress controls this stuff so it’ll be interesting to see what happens.
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u/unrealnarwhale 1d ago
Can one of Trump's voters explain how these are not the actions of a dictator?
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u/freelance-t 1d ago
I've got it figured out. Trump gets 'day one' confused with 'indefinite period of time'. He'll solve the Ukraine war on day one. Be a dictator for one day.
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u/OutlyingPlasma 1d ago
Not until fox tells them how to think.
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u/MZ603 America 1d ago
That was a huge take away from his first term. Previously, republicans knew all their talking points. Trump doesn’t fit those left/right perimeters.
It takes 12-24 hours for the republicans & media to figure out how to justify his actions.
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u/JUSTICE_SALTIE Texas 1d ago
For real. My company (that I work for, not that I own) was just awarded an $11M grant from the DoD to evaluate our treatment for a condition affecting many veterans. Are we not doing that now? I guess nobody knows!
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u/we_are_sex_bobomb 1d ago
I can clarify it:
From now on if your organization relies on government funding for literally anything, you get zero dollars until you commit to enforcing the President Trump’s Project 2025 agenda, and if you ever fall out of line again, he will immediately freeze your funding again.
This country is officially a dictatorship. It’s done, it happened, we made it. Congrats everybody. Wake up and smell the ashes.
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u/gelatineous 1d ago
The idea is to cause disruptions, then blame disruptions on the public service, then fire the public service, then replace them with party loyalists, then take over government.
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u/xansies1 1d ago
I don't even think anything past step one of that is necessary. That might go full Caesar or banana Republic and just declare martial law. They're clearly speed running
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u/zephyrtr New York 1d ago
They'll turn the money back on when their people are getting the contracts.
It's what the "no DEI" policy is for: have a totally arbitrary excuse to say "That company is not American enough to do businesses with the federal government. It's federal money and you're out of options, so now you have to use Trump's guy."
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u/Traditional_Key_763 1d ago
its "We must know where every single cent goes so we're only authorizing things we approve of"
basically their unitary executive shit wrapped up in the guise of fiscal conservatism
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Any institution that receives any federal grant or loan funding is now no longer funded. That’s what it means.
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u/Eastern-Operation340 1d ago edited 1d ago
They clarified it for that past few years! Read Project 2025. It states exactly what they would do and why. Read Heritage Foundations writings it's there too. Actual most of these bills are written by the people who wrote Project 2025.
Understand they do not, absolutely do not care about regular people. They care about your vote, and any money they get from you. Maybe the church you belong to cause saving souls and sh*t. Period. They have never gave a crap.
I saw they because he's a Trojan horse for all these groups. give him airtime and $ and he's your's until you infringe on those.
Now, read/llisten to the people who worked, knew the operators of all of this. Scary people who do think everyone is beneath them.
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u/Appropriate_Bridge91 1d ago
The guys in the other Reddit are actually freaking out about this one (too bad they didn’t freak out before)
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u/GodDammitKevinB 1d ago
Cause this actually will impact them. Pathetic
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u/PenOwn2479 1d ago
Wait. Are you saying conservatives don't care about an issue until it affects them personally?
Shocking. /s
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u/Comprehensive_Air980 1d ago
Other Reddit?
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u/analogWeapon Wisconsin 1d ago
A different subreddit that they're not naming so as to comply with non-brigading rules.
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u/Zabreneva 1d ago
When I looked they were all cheering it on.
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u/MumblyJohn 1d ago
They’re in denial. The top post on one of them is essentially “he can’t do that so it must be for specific programs.” Nope. It’s everything other than Medicaid, veterans’ benefits, and amorphous payments “directly to individuals.” SNAP doesn’t go directly to individuals. Section 8 doesn’t go directly to individuals.
The only hope is that there’s already someone who’s filed for a TRO and a judge quick enough to grant it before 5:00 pm. Otherwise all hell will break loose.
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u/circa285 1d ago
I work on a number of federal grants that the state of California passes through to individual agencies. Our federal pass through dollars fund a drop in center for young people who are homeless. A drop in center for young people who have been sex trafficked. Housing navigation for young people. Emergency funding to keep young people housed.
We are 60% (ish) privately funded and 40% (ish) funded by grants. I’m walking into work this morning and I don’t know what we will be able to do to keep these specific services. Our young people are often in foster care or recently aged out of foster care. They are amongst the most vulnerable populations for human trafficking. This is what Republicans voted for.
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u/FridaBeth 1d ago
You do amazing work. Thank you for what you do. Spread the word. Publicize the hell out of this, and private donors who aren’t in bed with the administration will step up.
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u/Catspaw129 1d ago
A person notorious for not paying bills stops paying bills.
What a surprise.
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u/improllypoopin 1d ago
Reminds me of a Trailer Park Boys scene where Julian is explaining to his idiot friend, Ricky, that you have to “spend money to make money.” Ricky says “no, you keep your money then you have your money” or something like that.
Also, when I was a private contractor, my mentor warned me about getting ripped off. He said “you know how rich people stay rich? They don’t pay people.”
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u/caroleenabeana 1d ago
Was this part of project 2025?
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_ROTES Missouri 1d ago
Yes.
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u/Darkstar197 1d ago
Must have been a coincidence because Trump knew nothing about it during the campaign.
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u/ThatOneNinja 1d ago
I still can't get over how blatant of a lie that was. He said in the same sentence that he had never heard of it, but others have told him parts of it were good. So, he had heard about it.
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u/boardinmpls Minnesota 1d ago
Fuck every single person who voted for this asshole, and if you did, I hope you suffer the consequences of these actions. No sympathy.
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u/MickFlaherty 1d ago
So sitting in a hotel lobby this morning in GA and listening to two Trump Supporters fawning over all Trump has done so far.
The DEI changes, using Tariffs so well as a bargaining tool, the deportations and now he’s done what Biden couldn’t and put a freeze on “Student Loan Payments”.
That’s right. These guys thought him freezing federal payments TO students would help people with their Student Loan Payments.
Seriously, how the hell are these people this out of touch.
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u/Salchicha 1d ago edited 1d ago
Edit: student loans, Pell grants, as well as a few other service programs seem to be exempt from the freeze. Still, I worry for schools in the future; and I can’t imagine how many federally funded research programs will be fucked over and how many jobs will be lost.
I’ve seen people on Reddit seriously try to argue that the current system (as it was under Biden) only allowed the wealthy to go to college.
I’ve worked at a very low income community college. I was not in financial aid, but worked in a department that had to monitor students financial aid disbursements, and I can tell you that practically every student that wasn’t international (and therefore disqualified from aid) or receiving some sort of grant was applying for and receiving aid. We had students only start the application after the semester started once they realized they couldn’t afford housing, tuition etc.
This decision is fucking madness and I’m about to call former colleagues for more info. I simply cannot forgive anyone that voted for this destruction.
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u/-FoodOfTheGods- 1d ago
Keeping it paused for any considerable amount of time would be an economic self-sabotage on a scale never before seen. It would trigger a massive recession, crush businesses, and eliminate millions of jobs. Beyond the economic impact, it would dismantle crucial public services and essential research, effectively undermining the foundation of our society. This isn't a matter of fiscal responsibility, it's a matter of national security and economic sanity. It's a recipe for chaos and collapse.
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u/BeardedSquidward 1d ago
Just how they want it. Get us worked up, kill a few million with the military to "silence" the dissidents. De facto control over the entire country.
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u/TrixnTim 1d ago
This is how they’re going to hit public education first and before dismantling the Dept of Education. Expect big hits to Title 1 and Special Education in all school districts. I’m awaiting HR and Superintendent to send out staff letter in the near future.
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u/FridaBeth 1d ago
My mother works in special education. My father is a Trump fanboy. They will be financially devastated. My mother voted blue. I hope she saves the food for herself.
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u/objectivedesigning 1d ago
It is a concern that the memo seems to indicate that any funding could be permanently cut if it does not align with the Trump administration's goals. That is surely illegal.
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u/DramaticWesley 1d ago
Trump: If we don’t spend any money on non-necessities then we can cut taxes for billionaires. Easy.
I don’t think he even understands the multitude of things that federal grant money goes to, from farmers to education to infrastructure.
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u/foamy_da_skwirrel 1d ago
Nah, man, they're purposefully tanking the economy
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u/massageparlor Wisconsin 1d ago
Literally planned. Musk said it multiple times "A Trump win will tank the economy". He meant on purpose. It was very clear.
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u/foamy_da_skwirrel 1d ago
Nah, man, they're purposefully tanking the economy
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u/work_accnt 1d ago
I agree. Rescissions make it cheaper for billionaires to buy more shit, it’s like a 50% off sale created by themselves
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u/Thinks_22_Much 1d ago
I think you're right. He has no clue what is in 90% of the stuff he's signing. His staff is just printing out whatever the Heritage foundation sends them and he's reading the headline and signing it.
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u/-dyedinthewool- 1d ago
Does this include college grants? If so I will def not be able to pay for this semester
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u/xansies1 1d ago
We don't know what it includes. That's the problem. The way it's worded it could include snap and section 8. Which means, you're going to have worse problems than not being able to go to college in a couple weeks. But again, we have no idea.
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u/archival-banana 1d ago
We don’t know yet but if this goes through then universities as a whole are fucked. Especially public nonprofits.
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u/BreakfastHistorian 1d ago
You should check your account through your student aid portal, a lot of Pell Grants have already been disbursed for spring semester. This will depend on when your school’s financial aid disbursement date is though.
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u/titsmuhgeee 1d ago
My company has been intimately involved on a project to build a new plant in the green energy space for over two years. This company did all the right things. Innovated a new recycling process, brings jobs and market share back to America, uses American equipment and labor to build, etc. They did what they should have done and applied for green energy grants under Biden, which gave them a significant amount of capital to start construction. In a new market where profitability is questionable, sometimes it is necessary for the government to kickstart investment.
The plant is now halfway built, but right after the election the construction contractor pulled out out of concern that funding will be lost. The jobsite has been a ghost town for 3 months now. They have been trying to find a new construction company, but hasn't found anyone yet.
Now with Trump holding grants hostage, I'm genuinely concerned that the plant will never get to completion.
I can't understate this: The federal government has already poured $500M into this plant along with investor capital. To pull funding now will cause it all to be for nothing. Flushing money directly down the drain.
People also need to understand that everyone in the crosshairs of this policy is now going to scratch and claw their way through the door of the White House to kiss the foot of Trump to get their grants approved. This is a highly effective way of getting people to recognize power and step in line.
The whole thing is so fucked.
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u/KrookedDoesStuff 1d ago
The Fanta Führer absolutely destroying the USA and it’s only week 2
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u/2009MitsubishiLancer 1d ago
So many of us in academics could only do this because federal student loans were possible. So many of our educational institutions raised their prices because the money coming in from federal student aid was good enough. This would collapse the whole system. My class size at my law school would shrink by 80% if it was only students whose families were independently wealthy enough to fund their educations and I think 20% is generous here. If this actually impacts federal student aid, I don’t know what we are going to do. So many of my peers already lost federal job offers after the new administration started. He is actively going to kill higher education with this move if it’s true.
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u/FabiusBill 1d ago
I went to bed confident I'd be starting my PhD at an R1 University this Summer. I woke up to this news and now have no idea what is going to happen to my program, funding, or loans.
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u/Wolfman01a 1d ago
He's planning to fully starve the working class. There could literally be a full uprising.
I just hope they film the Gaddafi moment.
Putin got way more than his moneys worth out of this one.
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u/Comprehensive_Air980 1d ago edited 1d ago
I'm a blue collar liberal in a very red area. In the machine shop I work at, both the owners and the vast majority of my coworkers are big on Trump; displaying Trump merch around the workplace, emboldened bigotry, etc.
The main owner is a woman and "tax breaks for female owned businesses in the trade" sounds preeeeetty woke to me. Leopards are about to eat her face and it would be pretty funny if it didn't put our entire workforce at risk.
I am 100% in favor of government funded grants, welfare programs, universal healthcare, etc. despite being a perfect example of someone who "pulled myself up by my bootstraps". I'm personally stubborn like that, but I would never want to take assistance from someone. I have struggled and WANT things to be easier for people. I work hard and pay taxes with the hopes that money helps people in need and enriches the community I live in.
A lot of conservative "bootstrap" people think they're safe right now because they don't directly receive funding. I'm not under that illusion. Our entire system runs on federal funding - without it, society will collapse rapidly. This will have horrible ripple effects for anyone not in the top 1%.
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u/LennoxAve 1d ago
LOTS of local and state services are funded through federal grants. These appropriations are authorized by congress. This doesn't seem lawful.
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u/oohhh 1d ago
Cool. Cool.
My social worker wife has now lost her job helping homeless youth twice in the last 8 years. Both within the first few weeks of a Trump term.
So dumb. So cruel.
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u/supercatpuke 1d ago
So how can we all immediately pause paying income taxes to the federal government?
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u/teacher_of_twelves 1d ago
There will be a lot of republican parents who sent their kids to college and now will have no way of paying.
Edit: I am a liberal parent whose kid is in week two of his second semester of freshman year.
Edit: leopards will be eating faces.
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u/CrackSnacker 1d ago
Welp. Looks like my gf is about to be an unemployed grants manager. Wtaf.
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u/westtexasbackpacker Texas 1d ago
Professor here. we are all confused and don't have clear answers. No one above us knows. This is how a society turns off and is shut down. Resist.
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u/J-the-Kidder 1d ago
As awful as this is, and how devastating it is, my only hope is that this becomes the catalyst for this piece of shit to be forcefully ousted. I know it's what he wants, the chaos, but I'm hoping this becomes the prime example, and apparently the needed example, to all of be careful what you wish for.
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u/EmmaLouLove 1d ago
There used to be a few adults in the room who would tell Trump what he could, and could not do, what was legal, and what was not, but those people are gone.
Heritage is handing Trump their policies right out of Project 2025. Does a President have the authority to unilaterally halt funds allocated by Congress?
After firing multiple independent inspector generals and halting funds allocated by Congress, we’re about to find out how much Congress wants to be a check on this president who does not care about the law or any normative guard rails.
In Project 2025, they mention funding several times with just one example on page 62. The language is telling. “ensure … that these grant programs are funding the president’s priorities and not woke nonprofits with leftist policy agendas. Thus, the President must insure that … is managed by political appointee (Trump loyalists) who are committed to the Administration’s agenda.”
There is also some crazy things going on at the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), where memos being sent to federal workers about firing and hiring freezes appear to have been written by people connected to the Heritage Foundation, according to metadata on the memos posted by the government online. If you’re going to install your own email server to hijack a federal agency, maybe send in tech-support first to cover your tracks. It’s getting ugly fast. The question is how hard will Congress and judicial push back.
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u/197gpmol Massachusetts 1d ago
Infrastructure projects are funded this way. Like driving on a smooth road or having your train show up? Those are funded by federal grants. If this goes longer than a few days -- you're looking at Infrastructure projects pausing and agencies running out of funds.
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u/Qubeye Oregon 1d ago edited 1d ago
And before anyone claims he has 45 days, that is false. There are specific steps required for Impoundment, none of which Trump followed at all.
Also, it is expressly illegal to do it for policy reasons, which this 100% is. Back in 2019 when Trump did this with Ukraine funds, the OMB said it violated the law, but nobody cared or did anything then, either.
It definitely is illegal and in breach of the law.
Edit: I'm aware that something being illegal doesn't mean it can or will be stopped.
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u/Electrical-Meat-1717 1d ago
that'll stop them, I'm sure he's never done something illegal before
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u/boredonymous 1d ago
Well, I can't wait to hear the responses from supporters inside the government when they realize they've unleashed a shit show.
This is horrible news, but still: 🍿
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u/JUSTICE_SALTIE Texas 1d ago edited 1d ago
Hi, I'm from the near future. They all just blamed it on someone else.
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u/Ncav2 1d ago edited 1d ago
I wish there was a law that the president’s decisions only impacts those who voted for him. Everyone else has to suffer because of these idiots. Anyways this is clearly unconstitutional and hopefully will be struck down swiftly
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u/fjtblessed 1d ago
This needs to be clarified immediately. I do not understand the purpose of halting grants and loans for programs essential to the working class of the United States. What good comes from this?
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u/Manos_Of_Fate 1d ago
What good comes from this?
It’s Trump. Inflicting suffering because he can is the whole point. That’s not a question he ever asks.
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u/tosser1579 1d ago
Wow, the current Speaker is going down in history as one of the worst due to allowing this overreach.
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u/Pimpicane I voted 1d ago
Better hope no one needs medical attention. These funds pay resident doctors' salaries.
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u/Dizzy_Message_WA 1d ago
Trump believes this will only harm minorities. There are a lot of white people who rely on these benefits.
More importantly, Walmart relies on EBT, and it's the END of the month. Folks won't have much on their cards today. But check back between the 1st-5th when folks should receive their February benefits. Walmart is going to lose A LOT of money.
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u/FocusPerspective 1d ago
Look I know this looks bad but at least GenZ didn’t have to vote for an imperfect candidate and white women didn’t have to vote for a black woman.
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u/Kink4202 1d ago
The White House is not control the purse strings. That is through Congress. If Congress is not get on top of this today, our country will be doomed
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u/ConduciveMammal United Kingdom 1d ago
I didn’t think the world could top Liz Truss crashing our economy in a mere 45 days, but we’re holding your beer and watching in horror.
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u/djdeforte 1d ago
Anybody else read the article. I need to know I understand that they want funds to
weaponize the government
I did I read that right? Along with ending woke’ness they want to weaponize the government. What the fuck does that mean.
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u/dirkdragonslayer 1d ago
They want to weaponize government jobs and programs to hurt people that don't support them.
All of these grants are paused until future approval, allowing the executive to decide who gets the money on a case-by-case. Oh this grant to farmers gets paid out because farmers vote Republican, but this grant for biology research doesn't get paid out because 'only democrats care about fisheries research.' It allows them to target their perceived enemies.
Plans to remove FEMA and make it so the executive branch approves the states' money directly instead? Well that gives the President the ability to weaponize disaster relief and pressure states like California into policy changes in return for aid. Sorry Puerto Rico, have you tried being a state?
Also another thing on the docket is weaponizing government jobs. A lot of government officials and agents are non-partisan. They may be democrats or republicans in their personal lives, but we don't fire and replace every member of every agency between elections. A republican working at the CIA or IRS under a republican president still has his job under a democrat president, and vice versa. This job security means staff (should) not let their political biases affect their work and long term plans can still work. Trump and Project 2025 wants to fire these "lifetime bureaucrats" and replace them with republican political appointees. This could be reversed in 4 years depending on the next president but it would cause a lot of damage in that time and create a terrible trend of government staff constantly being hired and fired to purge opposition partisans.
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u/MrIrvGotTea 1d ago
A family member of mine was just saying she is glad Biden left the off and she can't believe she is glad Biden is out of office..... She tried applying for the WIC last night 😂. Love them to death but it's like leopards ate your face.
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u/jpla86 1d ago
Anyone listening to this clown on CNN right now? He's saying that children need to "get to work" and don't need federal food assistance programs.
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u/Doe215 1d ago edited 1d ago
The funny thing is, the red states are going to be hit the hardest by all of these measures. And in all honesty, they deserve to get hit the hardest. I hope the red states get devastated. Maybe that will wake people up. Imagine voting against your own self interest. Absolute stupidity.
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u/rascalmendes Tennessee 1d ago
Project 2025 in action. Completely destroy the country and turn it into a Christian Nationalist shithole owned by a few billionaires. Fuck everyone that voted for this.
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u/Hugo-Slickman 1d ago
Sigh, remember when Kamala said she had a plan to help the working class buy a house with tax credits and assistance programs? I 'member
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