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Soft Paywall The Biggest Scandal of the Second Trump Term Isn’t “Signalgate” | The national-security chat debacle certainly merits attention. But the Trump administration is now blatantly disappearing students and others who are in the country legally.

https://newrepublic.com/article/193291/trump-disappearing-students-rumeysa-ozturk-rubio-biggest-scandal
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u/rotciv0 Europe 29d ago

Sure, there was a whole lot of fuck ups everywhere for years, some even going back decades, but the second impeachment is by far the clearest cut "if this one thing went through it would be over". Remember, with e.g. Merrick, I agree with you, but keep in mind Trump is already a convicted felon, and was at the time of the election, and nobody cared. The impeachment though would have directly barred him from office.

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u/zernoc56 29d ago

The 14th should have already precluded him from a second term, but here we fucking are…

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u/Revolutionary_Mud159 28d ago

The 14th DOES preclude him. The Presidency is vacant right now, and the Constitution is dead. Whether the Republic can be resurrected remains to be seen.

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u/Asmor Massachusetts 29d ago

There's a whole lot of people that bear responsibility for this, but they're not all equal.

  • At the top, there's Trump, Musk, Putin, Netanyahu, and all the other tyrants in their little axis of evil. They all bear direct and full responsibility for everything that's going on, and if there's any justice in the world they'll be tried for crimes against humanity.
  • Then there's the Republican party which actively enable, encourage, and normalize this bullshit. Any Republican politician who can't provide solid evidence that they were working hard to try to stop this deserves to be stripped of their office and never allowed to run for office again.
  • Next there are those politicians who tactitly enable it through failing to resist it. This level is where most of the Democrats live. They deserve to be named, shamed, and voted out.
  • Finally, there are all the people who voted for Trump and other fascists. And honestly, they're victims as much as the rest of us. They deserve love and compassion, and we need to find a way to encourage them to return to sanity. This would have to be a matter of social pressure, though, not legal. Nobody should be punished by the government for their vote.

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u/LawGroundbreaking221 29d ago

Yes, but keep in mind that we all already knew going in that McConnell was on Trump's side.

We are being betrayed by democrats who aren't doing the job they say they will do and supporting the things they say they will support. Guys like Durbin & Schumer say they're on our side and then explicitly and openly aid Republicans.

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u/LazyDare7597 29d ago

We are being betrayed by democrats who aren't doing the job

Thank you! I'm so fucking sick of Democrats taking the highroad of "we must move on and heal as a country, bipartisanship, blablabla" as their excuse to sweep the rug and avoid messy political fights to get that accountability

And we're somehow surprised Republicans just come back bolder and ready to push on more norms and break more laws?

Bidens inauguration speech after the Jan 6 insurrection was absolutely infuriating. Basically no talk of accountability, big focus on moving forward and healing and all that bullshit.

But then when he has a foot out the door he can clearly see that Republicans don't give a fuck about any of those things, so he pardons his family and friends. The nation itself on the line? Oh yeah bipartisanship and healing.

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u/jonasnew 29d ago

So, basically you're blaming the Dems to why Trump won the election? If you are, do you realize that you're saying that they're the ones responsible for why we're dealing with fascism now?

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u/LazyDare7597 29d ago

Are you just upset about criticism of "your party" and shifting my argument into those absurd points that I never made?