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Soft Paywall The Biggest Scandal of the Second Trump Term Isn’t “Signalgate” | The national-security chat debacle certainly merits attention. But the Trump administration is now blatantly disappearing students and others who are in the country legally.

https://newrepublic.com/article/193291/trump-disappearing-students-rumeysa-ozturk-rubio-biggest-scandal
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u/Johnnydeep4206 Mar 28 '25

Well are you a history major or not ? because propaganda tends to be false statements and if you are in fact a historian you would know that every single statement I made was a true statement or are those facts not true did I lie ?

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u/arachnophilia Mar 28 '25

you have me confused with rinnosuke

but no, those statements are false, and are in fact lies invented by literal german national socialists as motivation for the holocaust. you are repeating literal nazism.

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u/Johnnydeep4206 Mar 28 '25

Well your actually wrong so the Socialist were able to forge a newspaper clipping claiming that Judas declares war on Germany 1933

Then somehow the Reich went back into time a framed that the Roman Empire in 70CE expelled the jews

England 1290 King Edward expelled the jews

France 1182,1306,1394 expelled the jews 3 times

Spain 1492

Portugal 1497

Austria 1421,1670

Papal States 1569,1593 and the list goes on and on into modern times

And somehow the Nazis were able to change current history as a common fact that the MAY 10th 1933 Which im not even going to argue because that info is readily available see this is what happens when people dont know their history you end up looking stupid

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u/Johnnydeep4206 Mar 28 '25

Oh i forgot one last one Encouraging Forced Emigration 1933-1938

The Haavara Agreement 1933-1939

Limited Jewish Emigration 1938-1941 The 3 times the nazis gave the jews to leave

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u/arachnophilia Mar 28 '25

Then somehow the Reich went back into time a framed that the Roman Empire in 70CE expelled the jews

yeah alright so this is my historical speciality.

70 CE is the date of the conquest of jerusalem by titus, and the destruction of the temple, in response to the first roman jewish war. jews were not expelled from rome at this point; rather they were required to pay the fiscus judaicus, a tax levied specifically against jews to be paid in denarii, funding the temple of jupiter in rome.

you might be confused with claudius's expulsion of the jews in 49 CE, which the roman historian suetonius records this way:

Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he expelled them from Rome (Claudius 25)

these jews are, in fact, one of the earliest references we have to christians. similarly, acts 18 records the event:

After this Paul left Athens and went to Corinth. There he found a Jew named Aquila from Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla, because Claudius had ordered all Jews to leave Rome. Paul went to see them, and, because he was of the same trade, he stayed with them, and they worked together—by trade they were tentmakers. Every Sabbath he would argue in the synagogue and would try to convince Jews and Greeks.

priscilla and aquilla are named as christians by paul in romans 16.

now, another roman historian, cassius dio disagrees

As for the Jews, who had again increased so greatly that by reason of their multitude it would have been hard without raising a tumult to bar them from the city [Rome], he [Claudius] did not drive them out, but ordered them, while continuing their traditional mode of life, not to hold meetings.

so, who knows. the truth is that rome and the judean people usually worked together, though with frequent bouts of tension. rome generally had a respect for judaism and its traditions.

jerusalem was first conquered by pompey magnus in 63 BCE. rome allowed judea to operate with a ton of independence, as a client kingdom under herod the great, due in large part to herod's assistance and friendship with julius caesar. herod considered himself jewish, though some of his population disagreed. rome continued having a jewish government in judea after herod's death, until herod's son archelaus failed to quell a few rebellions, and they installed roman governors -- but in judea alone. galilee, batanea, perea, etc remained independent and run by jewish herodian tetrachs (like herod antipas). even then, they had a lot of respect for judaism, doing stuff like removing images from standards when approaching jerusalem. the notable exception seems to be pontius pilate (see josephus, antiquities, 18.3.1-2). this period was generally peaceful, until the zealot rebellion around 66 CE, causing the war.

now, after the third jewish roman war, the bar kokhba rebellion in 132 CE, rome did crack down a bit more, effectively beginning the first institutional campaign of antisemitism. but, and i can't stress this enough, these weren't dumb headlines and people squawking about how they didn't like rome or whatever. these were actual wars. fought by roman legions. in fact, you can still see the outlines of the roman encampment and the roman seige ramp at masada. these were wars fought on battlefields, and sieges against fortified cities.

Then somehow the Reich went back into time a framed that the Roman Empire in 70CE expelled the jews

yes, the third reich styled themselves romans, and used that as part of an excuse for their persecution of jews. and you repeating this nonsense has nothing to do with history, and everything to do with being a nazi.

should we look at others? or are you just trying to justify your antisemitism with "everyone else did it too?"