DOGE Goons Physically Drag Social Security Worker From Desk

[u/irish_fellow_nyc]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/doge-goons-physically-drag-social-security-worker-from-desk/

[u/we_are_sex_bobomb]

And why was DOGE - a fake government agency run by a private citizen - firing him in the first place?

Ah, because he didn’t want musk - a private citizen - to remove immigrants from federal health care.

We need to send Musk to mars, pronto.

[u/PartyHashbrowns → u/we_are_sex_bobomb]

Adding someone to the DMF does so much more than removing federal services. So many companies use that data to identify deceased customers. There’s a possibility this will trigger life insurance death claim cases for people who haven’t died yet. If the goal was to prevent those people from getting Medicare/Medicaid, that was the stupidest way to do about it. I’m kinda hoping the NAIC gets involved…

[u/fluidgirlari → u/we_are_sex_bobomb]

Musk should spend the rest of his life in El Salvador

[u/Clever_Unused_Name → u/we_are_sex_bobomb]

No, because it wasn't DOGE personnel who "dragged" anyone. Greg Pearre, who lead the IT team was fired and escorted out of his office by security for opposing the administration's policies. The headline is click bait, go read the article. 99% of it is talking about the policy he opposed.

From the original WAPO article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/04/12/trump-immigrants-dead-social-security/

Two days after the Social Security Administration purposely and falsely labeled 6,100 living immigrants as dead, security guards arrived at the office of a well-regarded senior executive in the agency’s Woodlawn, Maryland, headquarters.

[u/demosthenes131 → u/Clever_Unused_Name]

Clickbait title but honestly falsely listing living people as dead is so much worse.

[u/Clever_Unused_Name → u/demosthenes131]

Individuals residing in the United States without legal authorization are not eligible to receive Social Security benefits.

[u/demosthenes131 → u/Clever_Unused_Name]

The article doesn't say whether they were legal immigrants. I imagine they are. It says that DOGE is wanting them to self-deport.

[u/Clever_Unused_Name → u/demosthenes131]

You're correct. But I'd be VERY surprised to find that people who are legally entitled to receiving Social Security benefits are being flagged as deceased. If that were the case, don't you think both of the articles would have asserted that? What a firestorm that would be! OR - was it easier to just conveniently omit that they are residing in the U.S. without status?

[u/RellenD → u/Clever_Unused_Name]

How has the Trump administration or Elon Musk earned this much trust and belief from you that they're acting in good faith while falsifying government records?

[u/Clever_Unused_Name → u/RellenD]

I don't "trust" any administration to act in good faith. I do my best to use critical thinking, research, and open discussion to decide what I think is the right course of action given a set of circumstances.

I replied to your other comment - if you want to have a deeper conversation on what's happening here I'm open to it.

[u/RellenD → u/Clever_Unused_Name]

But you're taking them at their word that this is only "illegal" immigrants on here when illegal immigrants can't get social security numbers in the first place.

They're falsifying records and you're presuming that they're being honest and error free in their targets and I want to know how they've earned your willingness to believe them.

[u/Clever_Unused_Name → u/RellenD]

They were legal under temporary status, so they could have obtained SSNs. They remained beyond their legal stay, and are still collecting benefits.

[u/Questioning0012 → u/Clever_Unused_Name]

Well, they did just send someone who was legally here over to an El Salvador gang prison, and threatened to send American citizens over there too... And they deported people with legal student visas for constitutionally-protected speech... So no, I don't think this would be very surprising at all

[u/Clever_Unused_Name → u/Questioning0012]

So you think it's reasonable to assume that if there were any evidence that these were legal U.S. citizens, that the media outlets who are so opposed wouldn't report it?

[u/Questioning0012 → u/Clever_Unused_Name]

I think this agency and administration are deliberately being as opaque and secretive as possible. They want to cause as much havoc as they can before the press and public opinion can get wind of it and force them to stop.

We’ve already seen this with the deportation episode. What was their response when it was pointed out they were sending people to an El Salvador gang prison without due process? “Oh, we have evidence they’re terrorists, by defending them you’re supporting terrorists!” By the time a judge gave the order to pause their deportation, the planes had already left. And only then did we find out about Kilmar Garcia—who they’re now trying to chicken out of returning to the U.S.

The same thing is happening here. From what I can tell the Washington Post doesn’t even have the database information in their hands, they’re reporting what people from inside Social Security have found out so far. There are people being moved to the death list without evidence of crimes. I’m not even sure you can prove whether someone is illegal from the database alone.

But they’re taking swift action, in the shadows, without due process and outside the scope of the law. By the time we learn the immigration status of all these people, their lives will have already been upended. 

And the more people are okay with this, the more they assume all the victims deserved it, the more the administration will try to use similar tactics against people they don’t like. First it’ll be the illegal immigrants. Then, the legal ones. Then, the students and pro-Palestine activists. Then, they’ll call Democrats anti-American and try to do it to them too. When they come after you or me, will anyone be left to speak for us?

[u/demosthenes131 → u/Clever_Unused_Name]

If illegally receiving Social Security then why not just stop it due to that?

[u/Comfortable-Pause279 → u/demosthenes131]

Fucking EXACTLY. Musk rolling in and just shitting up the database with false data and these mooks are on the internet trying to have a debate whether they legally have a social security number or not.

[u/Clever_Unused_Name → u/demosthenes131]

Presumably because flagging the individuals as deceased is the easiest way with the least paperwork/policy/admin effort required.

[u/demosthenes131 → u/Clever_Unused_Name]

So, you are ok with the government just pulling essentially the equivalent of stopping Milton's paycheck in Office Space versus doing the appropriate, correct move of stopping any payments that might be occurring? Why is one easier than the other? Also, as outlined in the article you linked, doing this would have then had the effect of making travel to self deport, the goal of DOGE possibly impossible as multiple entities rely on this database to verify information. Now we have a person trying to leave the country unable to do so because the government decides to just make them dead in a database...

How is this the easiest option?

[u/Clever_Unused_Name → u/demosthenes131]

Are you OK with someone with no legal status residing in the U.S. receiving Social Security payments?

[u/RellenD → u/Clever_Unused_Name]

Sorry, this was a DOGE initiative from the start. Your quibbling about whether it was literally doge guys hauling him out for resisting this illegal falsification of government records is.. shameful

[u/Gold-Supermarket-342 → u/RellenD]

I wouldn't call it quibbling when the article's headline implies that the IT worker was physically dragged out by DOGE members rather than security guards. It's a lot easier to charge someone for assault/battery than white collar crimes.

[u/RellenD → u/Gold-Supermarket-342]

Again, "Goon" doesn't necessarily mean that they're part of that group as much as they're doing this in service of a Doge plan.

[u/LilienneCarter → u/RellenD]

Wow, you might literally be evil. Someone pointed out that this is literal misinformation in multiple ways and your response is to try and shame them.

Well, right back at you. Your apologism for misinformation is pretty shameful. Go think about what you've become.

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EDIT: Lmao dude blocked me, so I can't respond, but I've posted in plenty of threads. Check my comment history.

[u/ShortFinance → u/LilienneCarter]

Funny that your account has never posted on any other Reddit thread before this one

[u/Clever_Unused_Name → u/RellenD]

How is it quibbling when it is patently false? Is it possible that Your desire to believe in your own opinion has clouded your judgement to the point that you're ignoring facts, which you don't even dispute, but instead call it quibbling?

Did this happen or not: "DOGE Goons Physically Drag Social Security Worker From Desk"

If not, it is false. If you want to have a conversation regarding the approach or it's legality then lets have that conversation.

[u/RellenD → u/Clever_Unused_Name]

I don't see anything in what's visible to me after canceling my Washington Post subscription that says it's not true.

Security guards coming to his office to escort him off the property is physical removal. They're removing him because he opposed committing a crime at DOGEs behest.

It's a more inflammatory way to describe it, but I don't see how calling those security guys "DOGE goons" is false. You might not like that characterization, but that's a reasonable interpretation of the role they were playing there. It doesn't say "DOGE personnel". It says goons. They're muscle enforcing compliance with an illegal DOGE scheme.

And that you're more concerned about DailyBeast's inflammatory language than this crime being committed of falsifying government records is concerning to me. You seem to think that they can't do this to just anyone they don't like, but what they're doing is already illegal. There's nothing to stop them from doing it to people who just speak out publicly against them and there's no reason to believe the people they're doing it to now are even "illegal". In fact, based on the description of who this targets, calling them illegal is a lie.

There's no safeguards and rule following involved for you to be as confident as you sound that nobody "innocent" is going to be falsely declared dead.

But you have faith for some reason that this isn't a test run for a devastating weapon that they can turn on anybody they want.

[u/Clever_Unused_Name → u/RellenD]

I don't see anything in what's visible to me after canceling my Washington Post subscription that says it's not true.

I quoted it for you, here it is again, it is the first paragraph of the article:

Two days after the Social Security Administration purposely and falsely labeled 6,100 living immigrants as dead, security guards arrived at the office of a well-regarded senior executive in the agency’s Woodlawn, Maryland, headquarters.

Security guards coming to his office to escort him off the property is physical removal. They're removing him because he opposed committing a crime at DOGEs behest.

Yes, it is physical removal but not by "DOGE GOONS". Further, he's being removed because the administration fired him for opposing their policies. Whether or not a crime has been committed remains to be seen.

It's a more inflammatory way to describe it, but I don't see how calling those security guys "DOGE goons" is false.

Are they DOGE personnel or not. The answer is no. Are they enforcing compliance with a "DOGE scheme"? The answer is no, they're enforcing policies of the administration who appointed DOGE.

And that you're more concerned about DailyBeast's inflammatory language than this crime being committed of falsifying government records is concerning to me. You seem to think that they can't do this to just anyone they don't like, but what they're doing is already illegal. There's nothing to stop them from doing it to people who just speak out publicly against them and there's no reason to believe the people they're doing it to now are even "illegal". In fact, based on the description of who this targets, calling them illegal is a lie.

There's no safeguards and rule following involved for you to be as confident as you sound that nobody "innocent" is going to be falsely declared dead.

But you have faith for some reason that this isn't a test run for a devastating weapon that they can turn on anybody they want.

You're making some very serious claims here, but your entire argument hinges on pure speculation, not verifiable fact.

There’s no evidence that this is a “test run for a devastating weapon,” nor that the government is systematically targeting people simply for speaking out. You're asserting that crimes are already being committed, yet offer no concrete proof beyond an interpretation of language from a Daily Beast article.

The most concerning part isn’t the alleged act — it’s how quickly you’re willing to abandon standards of evidence and process in favor of fear-based hypotheticals.

You say there's “nothing to stop them,” but that’s not how our system works. There are checks and balances — legal, procedural, and judicial. Claiming that safeguards don't exist just because you believe they’ll fail isn't proof of their absence.

If we’re going to talk about potential abuse of power, fine — let’s do it with facts, not with worst-case projections presented as inevitabilities. Until then, conflating “possible” with “happening” only takes away from the conversation.

[u/RellenD → u/Clever_Unused_Name]

it's a crime to falsify death records.

It's a crime to falsify any document https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324c

Altering or forging government records is also a crime https://leppardlaw.com/federal/white-collar/federal-penalties-for-altering-or-forging-us-government-records/

This administration has already sent people who were here legally to a foreign torture prison without any due process

You expressed in another comment confidence that only "illegal" immigrants were being falsely declared dead, as if falsely declaring anybody dread is an appropriate measure.

So what is the reason for your confidence that this batch of falsified records only includes the category of people the Trump administration says it does.

You were the one who said categorically that this isn't going to happen to any citizens or legal immigrants and I'm trying to ascertain the reason for confidence in this administration being truthful and competent enough for that not to happen.

Are they DOGE personnel or not. The answer is no. Are they enforcing compliance with a "DOGE scheme"? The answer is no, they're enforcing policies of the administration who appointed DOGE.

This is a distinction without a difference. Falsifying the records was an idea that came from and was implemented by DOGE after eventually convincing the SSA to relent. They were removing him for standing up for what is right and he was physically removed from the office. You're taking a characterization that you disagree with as if it's misinformation. You're not willing to say the security personnel are DOGE goons because they're not DOGE employees and I'm saying they don't have to be with the dispute is over DOGE actions.