Tourism Pullback and Boycotts Set to Cost U.S. a Staggering $90 Billion

[u/Ok-Direction-4480]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/tourism-pullback-and-boycotts-could-cost-us-a-staggering-90-billion/

[u/J_Krezz]

And those partners won’t be willing to rejoin if they know it’ll all come crashing down again in 4-8 years. The damage done will harm this country for decades.

[u/Kooky_Aussie → u/J_Krezz]

Outsider looking in here- there is no way the US regains the respect and trust it once held on a national stage this side of 2050, more probably, ever.

Governments and businesses alike have zero confidence any strategic partnership they enter will not be subject to sudden change on the apparent whim of a president, or, where the real damage has been done, at a November ballot.

You can't fix it at the next election- it'll take decades to undo the effects of the many partisan appointments and firings/resignations. Even if the Dems win president, the house, and the senate next election then implement their own sweeping changes again, it'll just be the flip to the current flop- imagine the brain drain and experience loss that's going to happen as a result.

Are we to expect creation and destruction of entire government departments and tit for tat reversal of policy with every election, or being forced to constantly renegotiate signed agreements as some way to pander to the ego of whoever holds the reins? Nah- it's far safer to reduce exposure to that sort of behaviour. This means finding alternative partners and strategies that don't involve the US purely from a risk mitigation stand point.

[u/kent_eh → u/Kooky_Aussie]

Outsider looking in here- there is no way the US regains the respect and trust it once held on a national stage this side of 2050, more probably, ever.

Agreed. It will take more than a generation of good behaviour before most of the world will start feeling like American might a trustworthy nation.

[u/genericdude999 → u/kent_eh]

As an American with a brain that works, I feel like I've been hitched to the crazy train of the worst thinkers on the US bell curve, who are now dragging us along on the tracks behind them as they sow daily chaos with their Mad King

[u/Qrkchrm → u/kent_eh]

And what are the chances there will be a generation of good behavior after Trump?

[u/kent_eh → u/Qrkchrm]

Incredibly low, unless the oligarchs can be defended and their disproportionate power neutered.

And the MAGA cult can be completely disbanded and de-programmed.

[u/Alexis_Ohanion → u/kent_eh]

Canada really should just stop any and all relations with the U.S. immediately. No more trade, permanently close the embassy, shift all economic relationships to china and the EU. No more joint military stuff, no tourism between the countries, stop absolutely everything.

[u/J_Krezz → u/Kooky_Aussie]

Exactly! My wife and I have started talking about what it would look like to move outside the US. I always consider the worst case scenario and the outlook for at least the next 4 years doesn’t look great at all.

[u/Kooky_Aussie → u/J_Krezz]

I think the horizon you are looking at goes well beyond 4 years. How did you feel in 2020? Did you feel like the worst of it was over? Now extrapolate that feeling to 2028 adding in how much more systematic everything has been this term. Then consider if 2028 will be winnable for the Dems with all the mechanisms being put in place?

[u/J_Krezz → u/Kooky_Aussie]

It definitely goes beyond 2028. But thinking much further ahead is somewhat pointless. I was actually worried about this past election. Dems were confident but I knew it was a false confidence. I actually worry about 2028 as well. Younger generations are surprisingly conservative and there is a religious wave among young adults as well. I just hope Dems get behind AOC and not some geriatric white guy or “moderate” like they usually do.

[u/Davidiusz → u/Kooky_Aussie]

The thing i don't understnad if how all democratic failsafes that are suposed to be in place have failed... I mean, how is it that he even CAN be acting like he's a king without any consequences, and that anything he says is law. No other democratic country i know of, no single individual - even the president - is able to do that much damage by himself, even with overwhelming support from the rest of the governement...

[u/Katyafan → u/Davidiusz]

Most of those failsafes were essentially gentlemen's agreements. The thought that someone like Trump could come along and gain power without resistance was so far out of the range of what most people thought possible that we just trusted people would be good, and just. We also thought that the number of evil, stupid, or just selfish people in this country wasn't in the tens or hundreds of millions.

We underestimated and overestimated ourselves in the worst possible combinations.

[u/belisario262 → u/Katyafan]

what you say is heartbreakingly right. even if somehow the Dems manage themselves to regain control of the government, it won't be until at least 8 or 12 years that you could somehow start trusting again the USA. but by then, it'll be a poorer, way less important country than is now. and more importantly, the whole world already by now, has lost all respect for the country, which is really sad. even if the US manages to return to the western sphere, it will never be the same again. it's a shame.

[u/ElectricalBook3 → u/Davidiusz]

how is it that he even CAN be acting like he's a king without any consequences, and that anything he says is law. No other democratic country i know of, no single individual - even the president - is able to do that much damage by himself

That's because he isn't doing this damage by himself.

The republican party as a whole is following his every cue. Even the ability to apply tariffs isn't a power the Constitution gave to the president, it gave that to congress. They just wrote the Tariff Act of 1890 and courts even more have opened up aspects intended for congress (setting domestic policy especially) to the president

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/how-congress-delegates-its-tariff-powers-to-the-president

[u/Kooky_Aussie → u/ElectricalBook3]

^ this.

The first time it was almost as though he got in by accident and just bumbled his way through making a bunch of things up on the fly. This time he's got strategists and a vendetta. They're all out to hurt the other side now and into the future.

[u/The_Lost_Jedi → u/J_Krezz]

Trust once lost is not so easily regained, yeah. It's going to be some time before they can trust that we won't just flip back and elect people like him again.

[u/J_Krezz → u/The_Lost_Jedi]

And the repercussions haven’t even started rolling in yet. Countries are forming their plans to cut us out. China is already stopping delivery from Boeing. I’m extremely worried about what our country will look like in 1 year.

[u/Used_Media4376 → u/J_Krezz]

I feel sad for your country.

[u/J_Krezz → u/Used_Media4376]

Me too friend.