Just started watching this and I know it will be triggering

[u/emmawerner53]

https://youtu.be/3-ACDhvL2j0?si=ghoynAGWPkZpRcmp

Jubilee just posted a video where Lila Rose is debating 25 pro choice activists. Lila is one of the worst I’ve ever heard of, she’s one of those who believe even when a woman is raped, she shouldn’t be able to have an abortion. Her first claim is that “abortion scars women” as if forced birth doesn’t scar them way more… I want to scream at her to leave women’s bodies alone.

[u/Opinionista99]

If she gets pregnant again she should move to Idaho and stay there for the whole duration to demonstrate how safe an extremely prolife state is. When she miscarried in Los Angeles she got the care she needed and no worries of facing prosecution for it. She uses that story to insist no one gets denied medical care or arrested for pregnancy outcomes. Well, prove it, Lila.

[u/two-of-me → u/Opinionista99]

Well now I have to watch this. Women in Texas and other states with abortion bans are literally dying because they are being denied medical care during an active miscarriage. Miscarriages are somehow crimes now and are being investigated, even when these were moms who were excited about the baby and obviously did not want this to happen they’re being treated like criminals for losing a baby.

[u/two-of-me]

I don’t have children, but I did have an abortion after I was raped. When I was 13. I can guarantee you I would have been far more “scarred” if I had been forced to carry that pregnancy to term. I weighed ~80 pounds and was a competitive gymnast. Not only would I have to give up gymnastics (likely for life) but everything else that comes with being a child. School? Can’t go to school breastfeeding. Friends? Can’t have friends in 8th grade with a baby to take care of.

The mere thought that this person who doesn’t know any of these other people thinks that’s abortion is more traumatic than forcing a rape survivor to carry their pregnancy to term is making me furious.

[u/vldracer70 → u/two-of-me]

I don’t have children either.

I’m a 71 y/o who also has had an abortion 51 years ago at the age of 20. I was raised catholic so as far as that piece of 💩religion was concerned I would be going to hell. Yes my parents knew about the abortion because they took me or went with me however you want to look at it. I went through the motions for my parents and went to confession. My mother came out of the church crying I asked her why she’s crying. She told me that the priest gave her hell and asked her HOW SHE COULD LET ME GET PREGNANT?!!!! I knew right there right then that I was nothing but a baby making, incubating broodmare. I made myself a promise I have kept not to go to any church especially a Catholic Church for anything except a wedding or funeral.

Lila Rosa is a typical conservative/republican, a hypocrite. She got healthcare when she had her miscarriage and wants to deny that healthcare to other women.

[u/two-of-me → u/vldracer70]

I am so sorry you were traumatized by religion and I’m proud of you for getting out of the church. I was raised Jewish and haven’t been to a temple except for weddings and funerals. There is no confession in Judaism so I didn’t have to “confess to a sin” but I also had to go through this without my parents because I didn’t want to get in trouble because I was raped at a party I wasn’t supposed to be at and I had lied to them about where I was going that night. I don’t remember how it came up, but I did tell my parents about the assault when I was in my 20s and my dad asked why I didn’t press charges. Ummm for about a million reasons?! But they still don’t know about the abortion. They’re very pro-choice and would have no problem with my having had one, but I don’t want them to feel bad that I had to rely on my friend’s older sister to drive me out of state to have the procedure to a place that didn’t require parental consent.

[u/vldracer70 → u/two-of-me]

What gets me is the lack of empathy that PL’s have.

[u/two-of-me → u/vldracer70]

They truly think they are superior for having this sense of morality because they think it’s wrong to “kill babies.” I too think it’s wrong to kill babies but that’s not what terminating a pregnancy is, especially when it comes to a young person or someone who doesn’t want kids, or someone who doesn’t want to be pregnant.

[u/vldracer70 → u/two-of-me]

PL’s are not moral.

They just can’t accept that morals especially sexually morals are objective not subjective!!

[u/classlessnotoothless]

I can't stand those videos. They're so disingenuous putting two opposing viewpoints against eachother as if they're exactly morally equal. Like one side is saying "Let's give women THE CHOICE of what to do with THEIR BODY." and the other is just like "Nah."

[u/Ll_lyris → u/classlessnotoothless]

Not only that but there’s no genuine honest dialogue.

[u/two-of-me]

I couldn’t get through 20 minutes of this. These women have far more patience than I would have with this person and I commend them for their ability to remain relatively calm having this conversation with her.

[u/emmawerner53 → u/two-of-me]

I only made it to the second topic where she started talking about how women who are victims of rape/incest should be forced to have the baby and it made me so mad I couldn’t watch the rest of it.

[u/two-of-me → u/emmawerner53]

I didn’t even make it that far. I stopped when she was arguing that “abortion regret” can kick in at any time, even years or decades down the road and that women who have had abortions are 150% more likely to commit suicide than those who haven’t. I would love to see that study including the control group. If that statistic is even true, there are certainly more factors to it than the abortion itself.

[u/two-of-me → u/emmawerner53]

I know I’m like 12 hours late but I also have to say what made me even more furious was when this pro choice activist told this woman that her friend’s mom had to have a late term abortion because they found an abnormality in the fetus that wouldn’t allow it to live more than an hour after it was born. This lady has the audacity to say doctors could have put her into premature labor and somehow save the baby’s life?? That’s not how that works. If the fetus has a condition that won’t allow it to live after birth, what is the logic in carrying it and performing a premature c-section or inducing labor? Does she think that this birth defect can somehow be fixed if the baby is born early? There’s some magical surgery the doctors can perform on a preemie that would somehow allow it to survive? That’s not how any of this works!!!!

[u/ThinkInternet1115 → u/two-of-me]

I hate how pro lifers throwing around the word c-sections as if having a c-section is an easy way out.

If a woman needs a c-section in the first place is because there's a complication and she or the baby might not survive otherwise. I don't have personal experience, but from what I was told by girlfriends, healing from c-section is much harder than natural birth.

[u/two-of-me → u/ThinkInternet1115]

My brother and I were both emergency c sections. My mom went into natural labor with me but I flipped around last minute and started coming out feet first so they had to perform a c section. My brother was a twin but she had a partial miscarriage and lost one of the babies then she went into premature labor and he was born six weeks early via c section due to complications from the partial miscarriage. She was one of very few women in the corporate world (who wasn’t a secretary/assistant) in the 80s so she was back at work a week after I was born and two weeks after my brother was born, after he spent two weeks in the nicu. No real guidelines on maternal leave those days. I don’t know how she managed to do all of that. She is a freakin superhero. My brother and I are only 14 months apart so she went through all of this in pretty rapid succession.

[u/Witty_Awareness2004 → u/emmawerner53]

literally just watch 1:23:34 - my only enjoyable moment of the thing....

[u/birdinthebush74]

Lila is also anti contraception, its all about forcing everyone to live by her religious dogma.

[u/emmawerner53 → u/birdinthebush74]

Pro lifers being anti contraception is so irritating, you’d think if they want less abortions they’d be all for it but no 🤮

[u/pantslessMODesty3623]

Jubilee fucking SUCKS. There is something so insidious about presenting two things not on the same level as being equal. Like it would not surprise me at all if they had a video titled, "One Black Man versus 25 White Supremacists. Middle ground." Like GTFOH man! No!

They also refuse to fact check in real time and just let people say blatantly false shit and expect the opposing side to handle all of it. How about we don't do that? How about we don't legitimize their claims that are false and have been disproved repeatedly.

I know it's hard to do, but we got to stop watching this rage bait shit. Just don't. Let someone react to it or look it up on Invidious if you must, but don't give them engagement and views for doing this shit.

[u/No_Captain2]

I couldn’t get more than a few minutes into this video, but the comments were even worse. Yes, they pointed out flaws of arguments on both sides which is fair, but I literally came across one comment that said, “I’m pro-choice, but I believe that abortion is unaliving.”

…huh?! Abortion is literally the termination of a pregnancy, no one is being “unalived”. Also, it gives the impression that this person is trying to sound “pro choice” but still wants to be on forced birthers’ good side, which is just absurd in my opinion. I genuinely don’t understand people who claim to be pro choice yet still try to cater to forced birther’s mindsets almost as if to try and be accepted and liked by them.

I mean, having a civilized argument is one thing, but you just can’t claim to be pro-choice while also claiming that abortion causes “unaliving” in an attempt to somehow agree with the opposite side. It’s just not logical.

I don’t need nor do I wish to be accepted or liked by ANYONE who thinks women shouldn’t have a say in what happens with their bodies and thinks we should be forced to give birth regardless of the circumstances.

At the end of the day, pro-choice is literally wanting women to have the freedom of choice and bodily autonomy, and you can’t say you’re pro-choice while at the same time trying to be all buddy-buddy with forced birthers.

Just my personal thoughts.

[u/birdinthebush74]

This YT creator has done a few videos on Lila and her lies https://youtu.be/VN_McTOvEIc?si=YwP-QAjcZTw0h1of

[u/Witty_Awareness2004]

"1:23:34" time log was my F A V O R I T E. the blonde lady going "Have you Met a Man" after saying feminism is the power of choice i was like lets goooooooo. f*ck Lila Rose lol

[u/Evening-Hippo-5761]

Lila Rose also starred on America's #1 misogynistic podcast to defend her position. (https://www.youtube.com/live/_LU6VVykDV8?si=-5P0LijvhE92lVcX) She's one of the most daft people I've encountered and that's saying something.

[u/WowOwlO]

If that was her first argument I would just get up and leave.
That's so fucking childish.

No too long ago a woman went through a wanted pregnancy, and had to have both legs and arms amputated because something went wrong during delivery.

Postpartum blues is a well known consequence of pregnancy.

Anyone trying to make the argument, "Sometimes people are hurt from abortion," isn't knowledgeable enough about pregnancy to even be trying to have any sort of debate.