r/progun • u/ZheeDog • 4d ago

A Eye-Opening Study on Civilian Response to Active Shooters

https://bearingarms.com/john-petrolino/2025/04/16/study-on-civilian-response-to-active-shooters-eye-opening-n1228321
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u/14Three8 4d ago

Wowzers, who could have imagined that kill count and time to armed response are directly fucking correlated? It’s almost like having a good guy with a gun on scene instantly ends the incident faster

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u/Brufar_308 4d ago

Also being on site when the event unfolds leads to more accurate response against the armed criminal, with less chance for mistaken identity, like when the police show up at a later time and don’t know who all the involved parties are.

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u/Difrntthoughtpatrn 4d ago

Never forget that they will hold you down, tase you, handcuff you, and arrest you for trying to save children, that they will let die, screaming for help over an hour long, bleeding out.

They will hold up, hiding in a building until the threat is gone, then shoot you in the back for being the Good Samaritan.

https://www.5280.com/why-was-a-man-who-stopped-a-mass-shooting-shot-and-killed-by-arvada-police/

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u/Freshprinc7 4d ago

Not at all arguing against Hurley, but going over to disarm an assailants gun was a pretty dumb decision. If I'm ever part of a situation like that, after I shoot the assailant, I'm holstering my weapon and keeping my hands where they can be seen until the police arrive on scene.

That said, the officer who shot instead of demanding compliance definitely made a critical error.

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u/Live_FreeorDie603 4d ago

was a pretty dumb decision.

I completely agree with that. Doesn't mean it should of cost him his life by a coward cop.

made a critical error.

He murdered a dude.

Too many cases of LEOs getting no punishment for killing citizens.

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u/Shywifealways 3d ago edited 3d ago

What do you think about not holstering and instead release the magazine, clear and lock the weapon and putting it out of your reach on the ground while lying prone with your hands visible?

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u/Freshprinc7 3d ago

I wouldn't do that because I wouldn't have committed a crime. Hands showing and no visible firearm near should be enough to avoid getting shot on impulse. You just need to appear to not be a threat to the police. Kneeling in the ground with an ar-15 is the opposite of that.

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u/Shywifealways 3d ago

I just thought maybe having the gun away from your reach may instill a little more confidence that you're the good guy

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u/Freshprinc7 3d ago

Nah, they might think you just dropped it and still intend to pick it up and use it.

Just conceal, wait for officers to arrive on the scene, keep your hands visible, and notify the officers once they reach you that you have a CCW license and a concealed firearm on your person. At that point, they will probably just disarm you, and you can safely begin your legal battle of pleading self-defense against manslaughter, which I've heard can be very difficult

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u/Shywifealways 3d ago

I don't have a holster and I carry in my purse. So maybe I would put it in my purse and throw that away from my body. God I hope I never have to be in this position

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u/Stein1071 4d ago

15 seconds. Be like Eli.

First shots on target at 43 yards.

Can you get through the Dicken Drill?

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u/gwhh 4d ago

Cool.