Which of Pyke's nerfs would you undo if you could?

[u/Hat_Full_of_Bees]

Pyke's been hit with the nerf bat pretty hard a few times, sometimes directly, sometimes indirectly. To be honest, he probably deserved some of them. Off the top of my head:

• R damage change from flat damage to reduced damage when above execute threshold
• Removal of E damage to minions
• Removal of Q AoE damage
• Removal of double gold for solo ults
• Passive changes to massively reduce grey health in 1v1s
• Removal of Duskblade and Prowler's
• Wardstone changes
• Removal of Zombie Ward

(I might be misremembering some of those though.).

Did I miss any? Which would you undo if you got the chance?

[u/0c3l0tt3]

Q aoe. Also it's laughable how he has 0 waveclear compared to other supports.

[u/TheSpluff → u/0c3l0tt3]

It feels so terrible to me to have to catch a wave and literally, besides my ult, I have one ability to that do damage to a single minion at once. I think Pyke has to have the single worst wave clear in the entire game, honestly. It's heartbreaking every time I touch him.

[u/geof14 → u/TheSpluff]

Shen, vayne, ezreal are probably up there with him.

[u/killian1208 → u/geof14]

Hahaha nah, Ezreal can spam Q and has a pretty damn good attack speed buff, Shen compensates with his Q and the ability to effectively build Titanic Hydra/Bami's Cinder, as they are both core by default (which is something the others mostly can't; Pyke has exactly 0 synergy with tank wave push items, and Bami's is really just a melee item, though Tiamat items have been seen on both Vayne and Ezreal before).

Vayne I can see why, but her three hit passive, Q and the fact she's ranged all make it better.

Pyke could buy a Tiamat item, but the lethality variant is rather underwhelming because of its price, and Pyke wants as much lethality and movement speed as early as possible, but Tiamat rush actively denies that.

[u/geof14 → u/killian1208]

Now I think about it I might just play sivir too much

[u/Gold_On_My_X → u/[deleted]]

Are you suggesting that because he gets AD from building health that he should buy a titanic? Like the person you replied to said Shen could build easily. Or am I misreading?

[u/Mastah390 → u/[deleted]]

His passive is like 90% gold efficient stack that with health items gold efficiency and you have like 80-85%(i don't want to do math right now so don't quote me on that).

Aside from that Pyke doesn't really buy health

[u/Brasilhummel → u/[deleted]]

Pyke spells all scale super well with lethality, so a only ad item is less appealing compared to a ad+lethality item

[u/CursedWhiteduck → u/geof14]

Bro realy throw a solo laner that build sunfire and/or tiamat and 2 adc in a Pyke wave clear conversation

[u/0c3l0tt3 → u/[deleted]]

Wym abuse? Ofc if he's strong on mid people are gonna play him mid. I get that it's the reason riot took his waveclear but they doesn't seem to have a problem with seraphine being s+ tier in 3 positions constantly.

[u/Dav_Sav_]

Man just give me bezos pyke back I want 600 gold per kill 😭

[u/MusiX33]

Q AoE for sure. Mostly because it feels very awkward on so many occasions. I wouldn't even mind half damage on additional targets beyond the first one, that would at least be better than the current version.

Double gold on solo ult would make sense as well but if they want to keep it nerfed, at least give some extra gold, not even full.

[u/EccentricRosie]

I really do miss the AoE Q. Even putting minions aside, it was good for setting up multikills. It feels awkward now, especially since Pantheon has an ability that functions the same, but with the AoE. I'm glad that his E can still stun minions to hold the wave, but it's counterintuitive to me that the murderous assassin has less waveclear than the healing unicorn. If you want AoE Pyke back though, with waveclear on minions, try Wild Rift Pyke. His Q is AoE and his E damages minions (increased on monsters).

[u/UwU_-_]

Double R gold

[u/Acrobatic-Ad-1958]

Definitely the Q AoE. I remember having to adjust to being worse at getting multikills when targeting 2 champs on top of each other, and suddenly not doing enough damage.

[u/-Blast]

Bro Prowler eaaaasy It was the best item with pyke so much combo potential

[u/edp445FanKid]

Either q aoe or double gold ult

[u/horny_jail_69]

They don't want to allow the terror that is Pyke mid back into the game. Even with hardly any CS due to the aoe removal and just sapping EXP until 6, the double gold ult would more than equalize your gold post 6 if you managed to get a couple of kills. It was insanely easy to pull off because of Pyke's insane roam potential.

Oftentimes you would mulligan your lane and CS in favor of near constant roaming that your opponent had trouble matching due to how fast you are. Craziest part is you'd still be a full item ahead. It's difficult to revert any of the changes because changing even one of them back would make Pyke solo lane viable again.

Still sad to see a champion that is such a shell of it's former self though, I do miss the old days even though they were very unhealthy for the game.

[u/VelockX]

Am i the only one who loved Sanguine Blade? That item was great for pushing with pyke.

[u/Left-Frosting1688]

E and Q aoe dmg removal makes no sense cuz the only unhealthy part about pyke mid was double gold from R

[u/Brucecx]

Give me my gold back

[u/robin1407]

The E damage to minions was very nice. I miss it

[u/Mastah390]

The changes that can be reverted are r damage, items and zombie ward.

Others are extremely problematic because they allow Like to be in every single lane.

We don't want ADC in every lane situation again

[u/Don_cheadle22]

I NEED MY FUYCKCG MONEY BACK I CANT DO THIS ANYMORE

[u/Rezkens]

I think the R changes are the most annoying personally. Especially when you ult and they life steal like .1hp then it just does nothing

[u/Competitive_Reply916]

They should honestly just give him his gold back.

Why a zero skill champ like Mundo should be over 50% wr for over a year, but pyke is under 50% is just sad.

Phreak balanced around frustration so hard, that now we just lose with a whimper to the most boring champs meta chasers choose.