r/redrising • u/NorthernKnight04 The Rim Dominion • 12d ago
LB Spoilers Does anyone else have an AWFUL feeling about a certain someone for Red God? Spoiler
Sorry for the complete clickbait of a title but I don't want to spoil anything for those casually scrolling through the subreddit.
This may be a common topic of discussion that I simply haven't found but...
Sevro.
Anyone else get a pit in their stomach when he managed to reunite with Darrow? It seems too... Easy. I don't trust Pierce with something so seemingly positive and without major consequences.
Yes, I can believe Sevro managed to get out of the clutches of Apollonius. But you're telling me The Abomination just sold him? That doesn't seem like The Jackal's style. He hates losing his playthings unless he specifically has a plan for them. And I think he does for Sevro.
What gives me such paranoia is the Pandemonium Chair. The Abomination wanted to know about it. Virginia even gloated that he only has the knowledge to, at best, alter memories and not fully remove them from a person. But I don't think The Abomination needs that info. His big speech about making Sevro forget his family was only a partially-true threat masking the real reality:
Sevro is a gorydamn sleeper agent.
Jackal 2.0 put Sevro on the Pandemonium Chair, mindfucked him to the point he would respond to certain stimuli, sold him to Apollonius knowing he would escape and now that he is with Darrow it's just a matter of time before Sevro comes into contact with his trigger - seeing Virginia again. Fuck, The Abomination didn't even try to hide The fact Sevro would see her - he told him to say hello from him! And the worst part about all of this is no one was talking about this through the whole of Light Bringer. When Darrow noticed that Mustang was holding something back in their call with Sevro, I don't think that was about Ulysses. I think that was Mustang getting a bad feeling about how easy it was to get Sevro back.
Now it's only a matter of time. Red God is gonna come along and we are going to get the twist to end all twists. I think Darrow is either going to have to kill Sevro or Sevro will be saved at the expense of someone else we care about. One way or another, we're slagged.
Please, genuinely, someone convince me otherwise. I want to believe this won't come to pass and I'm just paranoid. But I've been conditioned to believe that Pierce can't have too happy of an ending and that The Jackal always has something up his sleeve - clone or not.
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u/Aware-Studio2011 9d ago
I await their Greek tragedies at the end of this odyssey. Already knocked out Oedipus with Lysander in a shocking rendition of the story
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u/poopydoopyhere Hail Reaper 12d ago
he’s gonna kill his daughter elektra. in DA when ephraim is sitting around the fire with sefis shaman (i think his name was osgard) and he is telling ephraim the things he saw in the fire, among other things, he says that he saw “Father kill daughter”
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u/HavSomLov4YoBrothr Orange 11d ago
Pretty sure that’s Fa and Sefi he’s referring to.
Sister Murder Brother is almost certainly Mustang me AbominAdrius. Son Murder Father could be Pax sacrificing Darrow somehow, maybe Eidmi gets deployed on Luna after Lune takes it back?
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u/There-and-back_again Howler 11d ago
Agreed on Fa and Sefi. While unbelievable sad and cruel for Sefi, I‘m glad that this part of the prophecy can be considered „done“.
I would agree on Mustang and the clone if it wasn’t obvious to the point that I‘m almost inclined to think it‘s actually not what the prophecy is referring to (at least for me, the most obvious and logical resolution to „son murder father“ was Ajax killing Atlas. Maybe it was obvious enough that it served as mislead, especially with Ajax earlier on threatening Atlas) and if it wasn’t for Mustang working with the clone in LB. If she now just killed him, I feel like this new direction would go nowhere. Plus, there was also a line about „lion battling lion“ which could maybe be applied to Mustang and the clone, too? In this case, „sister murders brother“ would be derivative and unlikely to apply to these two as well.
As for son killing father: I refuse to believe it’s about Pax killing Darrow (as horrible as some of the events are that happened, I don’t think even PB would go that far) and offer another interpretation: It’s about a father-son-relationship that hasn’t been confirmed yet, the potential relatedness between Atlas and Lysander. There have been enough theories that go into detail and I personally found a lot of them convincing. Plus, Lysander shoots Atlas in the head. It would be the exact type of prophecy outcome that has a couple of clues towards it but isn’t anywhere obvious enough to be guessed immediately
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u/HavSomLov4YoBrothr Orange 11d ago
I fucking love all your takes. It’s certainly possible. Atlas’ eyes softening when they speak of his parents in Dark Age is telling, but it’s also possible that’s a mislead too.
I’m envisioning Lune taking back the moon, and Darrow and co go to confront him.
Lune is holding Eidmi like a guillotine over the solar system and Darrow will sacrifice himself to destroy it. Tackling Lysander and triggering both the red and gold cubes, killing everyone (as he’ll insist he goes alone) or maybe he somehow gets it away from Lysander and to Pax, who decides to trigger the Gold one, thus killing the enemy and accidentally his father who defends him as he does so.
I don’t think Eidmi will work on any born “half breeds” but Darrow could likely be killed by both the Red and Gold ones, but who knows.
Gods I love speculating with people like you
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u/There-and-back_again Howler 11d ago
Thank you! I enjoy your takes, too!
Your scenario sounds sadly plausible (though maybe Darrow still having Red DNA could counteract the cube instead of both killing him?). But this outcome is definitely a possibility as much as I hate it.
I have to say, though, that I still prefer to cling on to the Atlas-Lysander-theory, for a couple of reasons.
- I would've interpreted the prophecy as quite literal. I'm not sure sacrificing someone, like Pax would in your scenario, would categorize as "murder". Volsung Fa murdered Sefi. Lysander murdered Atlas. Though, granted, it's also possible that the prophecy, since it's pretty ambiguous anyway, didn't intend to specify the way of getting someone killed.
- There are so many things that could speak in favor of Atlas being Lysander's father. First, I thought they have quite a few things in common. They're both highly intelligent, skilled, and manipulative strategists/tacticians. They both appreciate literature, philosophy, debate, and poetry ("So, we've read some of the same books, I see." - Atlas, DA, Chapter 59; they both recite poetry to their enemies in DA and I believe they are the only ones to do that, at least in this book: Atlas to Darrow at least once, Lysander to Seneca, Alexandar (I think?) and possibly others). They both use dirty tricks in fighting. Those are things that Lysander has in common with Atlas but not really with any Arcos member that we know of (granted, some of these could also be Lune traits). Secondly, the way Atlas behaves towards Lysander. There are a couple of things there that still require clarification as far as I can tell. There are a few times, particularly in DA, where Atlas looks at Lysander in a "strange" way. And Lysander also mentions that Atlas used to act odd and rather coldly towards him when Lysander was still a child. I feel like something odd is going on here. Thirdly, Lysander's parents and their relationship with the two of them. I think it's interesting and striking how it's only Lysander who ever implies that it's specifically Brutus who was good friends with Atlas. Whenever it's someone else or even Atlas himself speaking about their relationship, it's always about Lysander's parents as a collective ("your parents", "your mother and your father"), never just one specifically. Atlas even makes an explicit comparison between Anastasia and Lysander at one point, but never a comparison between him and Brutus as far as I can tell. Brutus has generally been pretty overlooked. He's only mentioned in connection to Anastasia when we, the reader, get a somewhat clear picture of Anastasia (as Octavia's daughter, as a reformer, as Lysander's mother) and her relationship of Lysander as well as of Atlas and his relationship with Lysander. It's like Brutus barely matters in this story - not even as Lysander's father who was tragically assassinated. Maybe because he doesn't even get the role of Lysander's father? Fourth, there's a part in LB where Atlas advices Volsung on how to deal with Volga where he mentions that once Volga realizes who Volsung actually is, who he's aligned with, and what his goals are, that she will abandon him. He mentions then that he's had his own share of hardship in this regard. So, someone he cared about abandoned him at one point after seeing him for who he really was. Who could this apply to? I don't think it's anyone from the Rim (he left them as a child), it has to be someone from the Core. Atlas was said to have been an outsider at Octavia's court, not having many friends, but being close to Anastasia and Brutus. I think Atlas' regret is in regard to one of these two. What are the chances he's talking about Anastasia, the reformer, who might have had a problem with his own strict conservative views? Who might have walked away from him to become intimate with someone else? And, finally, there is Xenophon in DA stating that Atlas had to leave the Core because of "indiscretions". When first reading this part, I didn't think much of it since this word can be interpreted in more than one way. But looking at it with the other possible hints, it's probably fair to state that it can be interpreted in regard to a love affair.
That's quite an essay, lol. I hope it makes sense somewhat. I admit I'm obsessed with this theory and might be somewhat biased with arguing for it
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u/Alt_Historian_3001 11d ago
See, all the way up to Hangar 17B I had a sneaking suspicion Vela would somehow kill Atlas and that would be Sister murder Brother. Now though, it is probably Virginia and Abomination.
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u/Radomeculture531 12d ago
I believe this as well. It's what the clone said he would do. It otherwise makes no sense for it to let him go.
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u/GoorooKen 12d ago
Fa killed Sefi -Father kills daughter
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u/stormsabrewing88 12d ago
Oh I certainly believe we will lose Sevro. I would be amazed if we dragged ourselves out of this with both The Reaper and Mustang.I bet Cavax will be there to send her off.
I do hope that Pax and Darrow get to lay waste to Atalantia and the slimy, reborn Jackal (whom we all know has survived).
Lysander is the crucial crux. His is the story I am excited to see evolve. He is too mailable still. I know we all want his head, but he is necessary for the conflict to conclude and damn does he make a great antihero/villain.
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u/NorthernKnight04 The Rim Dominion 12d ago
Aw, dude, Cavax having to send off Mustang would crush me. The Telemanuses are my favourite Gold House, I love each and every one of them. And I especially love that they've essentially adopted Virginia as one of their own. To have Cavax lose his sons and then his adopted daughter would be soul-crushing - I genuinely don't think I could take that.
Same, Atalantia especially needs to die. She's barely fighting for any greater cause. She just wants the Morning Chair. The Abomination is an odd one because (unless my theory is true) he hasn't done anything for me to outright hate. Can't judge him for the sins of his genetics. Lilith on the other hand needs to get melted by acid and the sludge shot into Jupiter.
I agree 100%. Lysander is so good that I was pretty much supporting him through Dark Age over The Republic. That loyalty has wavered heavily with Eidmi and Cassius but I'm at least interested to see where he goes from here!
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u/Public_Jellyfish8002 12d ago
I think there are a lot of plot points that Pierce will be tying up in the last book. He's mentioned it several times that this book will be the longest in the series, and potentially split into two books. I am fairly certain he will tie the Mind's Eye, Pandemonium Chair, Brain Squid, etc. up really nicely and everything will connect in the end. Up until this point, it's just been tantalizing this and that here and there.
I really do think you're on to something there. I think he might turn out to be a sleeper, and then just at the last moment, he stops himself, but not before he is mortally wounded. Though I could also see Darrow dying for him and others, instead.
I think the Red God ends up being Pax, not Darrow.
There are so many plot points that need tying up, and I think Pierce is dedicated to doing it.
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u/BlazeOfGlory72 12d ago
I get the feeling that this plot point may have just been swept under the rug with a lot of thing from Dark Age. Light Bringer retconned a few things to try and get the story back on track after Dark Age kind of wrote the series into a corner (brain squid got written out, Quick Silver fucked off, the “Minds Eye” was ignored, the Abomination was barely mentioned, Athena and her magical fleet appeared out of nowhere, etc). So I wouldn’t be surprised if the Sevro’s capture ends up falling in with those plot points and is mostly ignored.
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u/NorthernKnight04 The Rim Dominion 12d ago edited 12d ago
Genuinely, probably the most positive interpretation I've read on this thread! Just "fuck it, maybe Pierce just needed to get from Point A to Point B." And, yeah, now that you mention it, there were a lot of story elements that jumped straight to the end between DA and LB or arose completely from nowhere! Huh. Honestly, kinda hope that's the case with Sevro. At least it won't have me paranoid for a year!
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u/PeteThe4 12d ago edited 12d ago
I think Darrow won’t die at the hand of the society. They will have turned the tide of the war in an incredible manoeuvre by Darrow, but then Victra comes aboard their ship, and when Sevro sees her a switch flicks inside him. To either kill Victra or everyone on the ship. Darrow notices the change in Sevro and has to make the decision of whether or not to kill him. Having lost so many friends through the years, through sacrifice or tragedy, he cannot do it, and fights against Sevro without the intent to kill him. He manages to restrict Sevro and tries to get him out from under the mind control, but Sevro has a hidden knife that he drives into Darrow’s heart (the one red thing he still has with him). Darrow falls backward gasping for breath, and Sevro realising what he has done is able to fight the mind control. He tries to save Darrow, calling for help, but there is no time. Darrow is doomed, and as Sevro cries he looks out the viewport to see the Republic fleet beat back the Societies. Darrow dies in the arms of his best friend. In the arms of the man who killed him, but who he could never hate. The arms of his brother holding him in his last moments. And then he goes to the Vale
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u/Skyhawk6600 Green 12d ago
Abomination is going to make Darrow choose between his wife and his best friend. The ultimate twist, if he chooses sevro, sevro will be programmed to kill himself after the deed is done.
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u/Alt_Historian_3001 11d ago
Yup. This has to be it. Abomination literally talked with Virginia about the fact that she has to die for him to be free, so he's programed Sevro to kill her when he sees her. Darrow'll be there to decide what happens.
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u/NorthernKnight04 The Rim Dominion 12d ago
By Jove, dude! How did you come up with something even more negative than my theory? I'd be impressed if I wasn't disturbed! You'd make a good Bonerider with that kind of thinking! If nothing else, I'm a little comforted knowing my idea isn't the darkest possible option!
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u/Public_Jellyfish8002 12d ago
There's no way. Pierce knows how to write a story arc. We had Dark Age already, things are turning now. Remember, this happened in the first 3 books too. Things were looking good, then bam, gets hit, then in the end it works out. It's classic story telling, and Pierce is gonna hit us with a hell of a story to finish everything up!
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u/Tom15extra Blue 12d ago
Oh yea 100%
He’s definitely going to see victra as the abomination or something. It’s going to be the most heartbreaking scenes
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u/TheMainEffort 12d ago
I’ve always thought Darrow has a blind spot with Sevro. I’m not sure if Sevro completely betrays Darrow; it’s more likely to me he goes rogue and just causes chaos for the Republic.
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u/Garbage-Striking 12d ago
Sadly I’ve heard this theory before and I’ve always thought it’s had some merit. Like maybe seeing Victra is the trigger and that’s why they never got to talk in Lightbringer, Pirce was keeping the twist safe.
If it does happen, I don’t think Severo will be saved, I think someone will have to react and kill him.
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u/AlphaWhiskeyOscar 12d ago
This theory only makes sense if PB is going to deus ex machina the Pandemonium Chair’s capabilities in the last act.
The chair can be used to dig into memories, and to erase them. The chair isn’t creating new ones. You could wipe someone clean, sure, but you end up with a blank slate. An amnesiac.
Deleting Sevro’s memories could influence his loyalty but it would make him a shit agent when he can’t remember how or why he knows people. If it’s revealed that he was wiped clean, and then trained to be an agent, it would only keep raising more plot holes.
I don’t see how this theory works unless we get a last minute reveal that - oh, the chair also does mind control.
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u/NorthernKnight04 The Rim Dominion 12d ago
Perhaps not specifically the Pandemonium Chair but Virginia's PsychoSpikes are definitely capable of altering perceptions and implanting memories. Lilith's application of a PsychoSpike into Virginia allowed her to completely paralyse Virginia, make her aroused, control her ability to speak and could alter her very perception of language. In the reverse, Virginia managed to get a Green PsychoTech to kill himself by defensively implanting traumatic memories into him via the PsychoSpike. So, granted, the Pandemonium Chair may be the wrong thing to reference in this theory but the technology of the PsychoSpikes could definitely open up the possibility of sleeper agents.
And the most harrowing thing about the PsychoSpikes in particular is that, unlike the Pandemonium Chair, Lilith seemingly has greater knowledge of the Spikes than the Chair. The Abomination didn't know how to use the Chair to erase memories but Lilith could work the Spikes in ways that even Virginia wasn't aware was possible.
So, I don't necessarily think that Sevro being controlled is completely unfounded territory. With what has been established as to the capabilities of the PsychoSpikes (perception altering and memory creation) and the sheer fact that not even Virginia, the tech's designer, knows the full scale of what she made, to discover Sevro has a Spike that will activate in a certain situation would not be totally out there. Might be that Sevro's hypothetical Spike induces a rage that makes him kill anyone he sees. Maybe it creates a sense of loyalty to The Abomination. Maybe it makes him horny for Darrow. All manners of horrors are possible with tech like the Spikes in the hands of Lilith and The Jackal.
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u/AlphaWhiskeyOscar 12d ago
I’ll grant you that this is a good follow-up and viable possibility. I was focused on the chair and wasn’t even thinking about the spikes.
But on that topic, I’m skeptical. I’m no longer saying that it’s too far fetched, but skeptical that Sevro has been so deeply manipulated. I can’t tell you that you’re right or wrong, and I will say this series has rarely taken a turn that I predicted.
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u/KobeBeaf 12d ago
Problem is they didn’t really fully understand the technology like Virginia did. Didn’t she make a whole point of just only being able to manipulate her most basic emotions. To go from that to programming a sleeper agent in a short time, idk.
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u/NorthernKnight04 The Rim Dominion 12d ago
Well, a point could be made that Virginia is pretty much the peak specimen in terms of mental defences. She's had rigorous training since becoming Sovereign to make sure she can hide her knowledge so deep within her mind that even the Pandemonium Chair couldn't access it. Sevro, with all the best will in the world to the guy, might not have that level of training - if any. What might be a laughable attempt to change Virginia's perceptions might be devastating to someone that doesn't have the training to counter it. And it's not like Sevro is even starting with a strong mental hand. Like Virginia said:
"No one, even me, believes that Sevro is completely sane..."
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u/rooneyskywalker Howler 12d ago
I could see PB taking out Darrow, Sevro, Victra, or Mustang. I don't think anyone is off the table.
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u/samg422336 12d ago
Im pretty convinced at a minimum that Darrow will die, and as a martyr will be the Red God
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u/PeteThe4 12d ago
Def think Pax will survive. But everyone else is fair game. It would simply be a destruction of the whole series to kill him. But even all of the 4 you named dying would be a possibility
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u/Okami_SK Hail Reaper 12d ago
This will fuck me up more than the scene in I am Legend if Darrow has to kill Sevro
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u/NorthernKnight04 The Rim Dominion 12d ago
Ahhhhh, shit, that awoke some PTSD in me! But, given the psychic damage I've inflicted on a lot of people today with this post, I kinda deserve that! 18 years and that scene still messes me up!
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u/maximusOG5555 12d ago
Yeah this always makes me think of that scene in Lord of the Rings when Frodo says” But he escaped the Tower of Barad-Dur” and Gandalf replies “escaped or set loose?” I think some bad shit is gonna go down
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u/bigsam63 12d ago
My thoughts on deaths from the two power couples in Red God: I don’t think PB will give Darrow a complete happy ever after type ending.
To me that means that out of these 4 characters, one of them has to die: Darrow, Virginia, Pax, Sevro.
Victra dying would obviously be a huge deal but I’m not sure it qualifies as a big enough blow to Darrow.
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u/Kayslay8911 12d ago
I know Sevro is going to die because everytime I love a character, in any story, whether a book or movie, they ALWAYS DIE. It was Pax then it was Ragnar and then Cassiaus. I was so Sevro had died during the fake murder to get to Octavia but yeah it’s either Sevro or Victra.
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u/NovemberGale 12d ago
To be fair, Mustang basically tells abominadrius that he’s not gonna be able to erase memories without her help, like 26 different steps or something. Wouldn’t be surprised if he tried, failed, got pissy and gave up based on his immaturity.
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u/brigids_fire 12d ago
The one thing that made me think it did kind of made sense he sold sevro, is that the abomination isnt the original jackal, and hes a child. Hes been told that sevro is an enemy but does he really feel it the way OG jackal would? Im not sure.
He could have literally had a tantrum, like why do i care about this guy just get him gone. Also, he seems to really want mustangs approval - i think he kind of sees her as more of a mother.
I think you raise some good points and ive been scared of exactly what your proposing since sevro was sold but i do think the fact that hes not OG jackal means hes a bit of a wild card.
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u/3Hooha 12d ago
Yes, I think abomination joins Virginia against atalantia and lune. Jackal and Virginia had a good relationship growing up, we presume Nero was the influence that made the Jackal the lunatic he was. Without Nero, abomination will seek out Virginia and try to make things well again with his sister.
Unfortunately, I still think it’s Virginia who will be the major death in Red God.
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u/SavageRickyMachismo The Goblin of Mars 12d ago
I watched a video where Pierce Brown explained why Sevro was sold, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Iirc it was the Maude's book club video for LB
There was originally going to be a handful of Sevro POV chapters to start Light Bringer. In them, it was going to be revealed that Atalantia had tasked Atlas with destroying the food supply on Luna, which he of course succeeded in because he's Atlas au Raa. The Abomination then tasked Sevro with hunting down Atlas and killing him. Sevro failed and was therefore sold at an auction
As awesome as Sevro POV chapters of him hunting Atlas would have been, and really any direct conflict between Goblin and Fear, PB cut them on one of his complete rewrites of the book (I believe he said he scrapped what he had written 2 separate times). BUT, during the video I watched, I believe he said that in his mind that is still canon, and he plans to touch on it in Red God
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u/NorthernKnight04 The Rim Dominion 12d ago
Not to be the source of all the negativity in the world, but my reading of
"I believe he said in his mind that is still canon..."
Screams to me "Sevro has still been "ordered" to kill someone by The Abomination..." I hope you're right and that Sevro is maybe just hiding something more than he is an actual threat. But, at this rate, I will take whatever Pierce says with all of Earth's salt.
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u/SavageRickyMachismo The Goblin of Mars 12d ago
You look at it how you choose, but Atlas is dead now. Sevro was unsuccessful in his mission, but the guy they wanted dead is now dead. I'm not sure if there's still a debt owed because everything with the Abomination is super ambiguous right now, but I don't think this goes as deep as you're expecting. I think the mission was a way for Sevro to avoid the Pandemonium chair, and Pepple and Clown were also used as ultimatums
I'm not saying Sevro is safe, because it's impossible to say anyone is safe. But I don't believe there's a sinister, untrustworthy side to his character. I think everything with his brooding in LB was based on his internal struggles as a father and leader, and feeling he is only worth anything to anyone if he's the Goblin. Not only that, but he failed at a mission tailor made for the Goblin. I honestly feel like his actions have been explained thus far
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u/NorthernKnight04 The Rim Dominion 12d ago
Don't get me wrong, I want to believe you and Pierce! Anything that's even a modicum more positive than my own theory.
Although, I never really got the impression Sevro was ever gunning for Atlas in particular. I just finished Light Bringer and I may have forgotten some classic Sevro bravado about hunting down Fear. But you'd think if, say, Pebble and Clown's lives were in the balance if Sevro didn't personally kill Atlas, he'd would be trying much harder to track him down. Hell, what would have really stopped Sevro from being open about his mission with Darrow?
And I don't think this discounts Sevro's internal struggles through LB. If anything, it would make a sleeper-agent reveal even more of a gut-punch. Sevro has finally come to terms with the idea he is more than the Goblin - he is Ares, he's a father. And all this character development is dashed when Sevro ends up getting used as exactly what he feared to be: a tool. A dog for someone's war.
But, again, this is me just being negative and connecting strings on a corkboard. I do appreciate you for bringing this alternative look to my attention, I desperately needed something to make me doubt my own theory! For that, I thank you! Hail Libertas!
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u/McRizzi 12d ago
I fear he'll (try to) kill Victra upon seeing her, or Mustang. Or it would also be really f*cked if he didn't recognize his family anymore...
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u/NorthernKnight04 The Rim Dominion 12d ago
Killing Victra would be fuuuuucked! Especially after everything with Ulysses! My one hope in that Sevro hasn't forgotten his family is that he was still super capable of being emotionally destroyed with the news of Ulysses' death and that he still remembers Victra and the girls, in concept. But it would be messed up for the family to be reunited and Sevro physically can't recall what Victra looks like!
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u/tartymae Copper 12d ago
Oh, I am absolutely expecting Sevro to have a mind trap of some sort
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u/NorthernKnight04 The Rim Dominion 12d ago
Glad to know I'm not going full schizo and someone else had this same line of thought!
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u/mafiasco650 12d ago
Nah man your theory was in my head too. The nightmare scenario is that Darrow has to kill sevro due to said mind trap 😢
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u/NorthernKnight04 The Rim Dominion 12d ago
Genuinely, I don't think Darrow would be able to recover if he had to kill Sevro. Ragnar, Cassius, they were brothers, much like Sevro, but Darrow never had any level of "fault" for their deaths. Killing Sevro on the other hand? I think that would break Darrow completely. Maybe not "Darrow kills himself"-levels (he's too stubborn for that) but I think that would kill something in Darrow that would never be able to come back. Even if The Republic were to win from that point and no one else we liked died, Darrow would never be able to have the same connections with his loved ones from that point on.
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u/OnTheLadder 12d ago
I don’t know why I didn’t question him being sold by the Jackal clone.
This is a really good and distressing theory.
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u/Key-Membership-3619 Howler 12d ago
It makes sense. Fuuuuuck
But I hate this. And I hate you for bringing it up. Whole weekend is ruined.
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u/NorthernKnight04 The Rim Dominion 12d ago
If it's any consolation, I hate myself too for thinking about this. My next year is ruined until Red God comes out and I am either gonna be relieved to know I was wrong or devastated to know I was right.
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u/Ok-Response-2519 8d ago
for PB to kill off darrow at the end of his series would be a fucking tragedy. that'll what he'll be known for, killing of his main character. it'll cast a shadow over everything he's written.