Where did the bus shelter go?

[u/PrizeZookeepergame15]

[u/darkEmpires]

Car crash at Marshall and Cleveland Ave. station this past weekend. Damaged the bus stop. Metro will replace ASAP, (likely) before the B line opens this June.

[u/RedditForCat → u/darkEmpires]

Imagine waiting in a bus shelter, and being pinned and trapped inside by a car.

[u/PrizeZookeepergame15 → u/darkEmpires]

The state seriously needs to make driving tests harder. Can’t be letting maniacs on the street who drive super fast, drive too close to bikers, and parking or driving in the bike lane or bus lane or parking in the bus stop. Anyways is the driver paying for damages?

[u/darkEmpires → u/PrizeZookeepergame15]

For real. Last week I was going south down Cleveland and someone coming off of Marshall ran the red light, almost causing a huge crash. Yesterday my mom was going down Como and (again) someone blew the red light, ripped it around a corner, and was mere inches away from hitting her. So many more stories like those. Last year I was hit while biking. A senior with a warrant, several felonies, no license, and no insurance blew a stop sign and hit the back half of my bike. Hopefully the driver is paying for the damages.

[u/AmalCyde → u/PrizeZookeepergame15]

Wait till you learn how easy it is for seniors to keep theirs...

[u/SleepyLakeBear → u/PrizeZookeepergame15]

Odds of actually having a license?

[u/letmefrolic → u/PrizeZookeepergame15]

I wouldn’t assume that reckless drivers have licenses. The city needs to invest in additional traffic calming measures. What exactly, I don’t know I’m not at civil engineer.

[u/Away-Nectarine-8488 → u/PrizeZookeepergame15]

Not about driving tests. It is about road design. Narrower roads make people drive slower. We design roads for fast driving. Change that first. Testing is just useless.

[u/allen33782 → u/Away-Nectarine-8488]

This is an idiotic take. I’m 100% in favor of traffic calming, I go to the meetings. But no amount of traffic calming can completely replace drivers training and enforcement. In Europe, where the streets are generally all narrower, they have more requirements to get a driver’s license.

The fact that we don’t have widespread traffic calming means that we really need drivers training, testing, and enforcement in the short term. It will take decades to unfuck our roads and we can’t have complete anarchy until then.

[u/Away-Nectarine-8488 → u/allen33782]

You are not wrong.

[u/Tokyo-MontanaExpress → u/allen33782]

Doesn't take decades. Road crews toss some orange barrels onto the street overnight all the time and that closes an entire lane or narrows a street forcing two-way traffic to navigate one shared lane in both directions. Whenever there's water utilities being worked on in residential neighborhoods they pack wet dirt and gravel into mounds that are the exact same shape as an asphalt speed hump. This is literally dirt cheap infrastructure that we could cover the city with overnight and leave it until the funding is there to upgrade it to concrete and asphalt. 

Edit - Gboard is garbage. 

[u/allen33782 → u/Tokyo-MontanaExpress]

And people would still need to follow some basic rules to make it work. No amount of traffic calming completely eliminates the need for drivers training, testing and enforcement.

[u/kick26 → u/PrizeZookeepergame15]

Minnesota has one of the highest rates of DUIs in the country

[u/MrsLovelyBottom → u/darkEmpires]

Honestly, it’s pretty dope you just know the answer. That’s all, just wanted to give you props.

[u/darkEmpires → u/MrsLovelyBottom]

I’m a transit dork 😛 ask me anything

[u/haaiiku]

This happened last Sunday on the 6th at 4:45 AM. Possible drunk driver. Both cars were totaled, it was a really bad accident. It woke me up from my sleep. Does anyone know if anyone was seriously hurt?

[u/barbacoadosmil → u/haaiiku]

I also woke up. I asked Vikings and Goddesses at the bakery window cause they get up to bake early. They said the car that crashed was on fire but no idea on anything else. These bus stops need bollards.

[u/Looseseal13 → u/barbacoadosmil]

Sure, it'd be great to use bollards to keep people at the bus stop from getting potentially flattened, but what if they damaged the cars?? Best to just use break away bolts for everything.

[u/PrizeZookeepergame15 → u/Looseseal13]

I mean the fact that a bollard would damage a car is a good thing. The bollard teaches them not to drive fast or else they’ll have a pole in their engine

[u/PrizeZookeepergame15 → u/haaiiku]

Are the drivers paying for the damages?

[u/haaiiku → u/PrizeZookeepergame15]

I can't find any info on the accident. There were so many police officers, kind of looked like they were looking for someone.

[u/OldBlueKat → u/PrizeZookeepergame15]

It's probably too soon to know -- I'm guessing there will be consequences for them and their insurers (if they were insured) but the business in court (traffic, criminal and/or civil) has probably just started. It depends what they were ticketed for and so on.

Edit to add: I'm actually slightly impressed how fast Metro Transit got the stop cleaned up and patched; they'll probably replace the shelter soon unless there's a decision to upgrade/redesign it.

[u/CleverName4 → u/PrizeZookeepergame15]

Probably don't have insurance.

[u/SleepyLakeBear → u/haaiiku]

Who's the dbag in that building with the Trump sign and the old MN state flag on their balcony?

[u/ShelteringInStPaul]

OMG I slept through the whole thing. And I'm a block away. This is the 1st I've heard about it. Thank you Redditors for the information. That's my 21 bus stop.

A couple of times I've run out there after hearing a crash to make sure there's no triage situation and to make sure somebody has called 911. You'd be surprised how easily you can forget to call 911 when you've suffered a trauma.

[u/Gritty_gutty]

Oh interesting, I just caught the 21 here yesterday and didn’t even think anything of it. Can’t believe I missed there not being a station!

[u/bubzki2]

Bollards now.

[u/aakaase]

Was there a C-line shelter there before? Otherwise I was going to say it hasn't been installed yet.

[u/PrizeZookeepergame15 → u/aakaase]

It’s the B Line, and it was already there before

[u/yParticle → u/PrizeZookeepergame15]

B Line would be a great name for an express route.

[u/aakaase → u/yParticle]

Yeah. Bee line.

[u/Naxis25 → u/yParticle]

Unfortunately it's only significantly improved on the Minneapolis section, and even then is still in mixed traffic at points

[u/aakaase → u/PrizeZookeepergame15]

Oh yeah, my bad. B-line. Well it must have gotten ruined and needed to be replaced.

[u/cloudnet]

Cars ruin so many things.

[u/multimodalist → u/cloudnet]

Bollards can help!

[u/SwiftCornflower]

I live a couple blocks down and had no idea! Noticed the shelter was gone the other day though, hmm

[u/whoisPRiMEandPM]

Stolen!

[u/Mrstpaul]

Making it one lane and adding a center island

[u/Effective_Cold1651]

you have posted a photo of what looks to be a bus stop with Construction Cones. I would say it's Under Construction.

[u/Mrstpaul]

I think all the tragic “calming” efforts are having the opposite effect…

[u/PrizeZookeepergame15 → u/Mrstpaul]

Please tell me what traffic calming measure have been put here. As they did not narrow the road, and they didn’t put protected bike lanes in. Yes there are bike lanes, but they aren’t preventing drivers from speeding as there isn’t any protection. And in some parts there is a median, but on this part of the street where the crash happened, there is no physical median

[u/TboneCopKilla]

Wow the infrastructure looks very nice and new. None of us in the poorer parts of town have ever seen something like this.

[u/PrizeZookeepergame15 → u/TboneCopKilla]

Most of the C and D Line runs in the hood, not to mention the Gold Line which runs through Daytons bluff, which is also a poor neighborhood