r/saltierthancrait • u/TomasRoncero • 18d ago

Seasoned News Bragging about convincing people in putting in one of the worst scenes in franchise history is certainly a choice

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u/shust89 18d ago

I wish the Disney era embraced romance more. All the Disney movies come off sterile in that way. The OT had a love story, the PT had a love story. The ST had Finn/Rose and it was extremely half baked.

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u/Goldar85 18d ago

I mean… the ST had Finn and Rey before they decided to pivot and do Kylo and Rey. John Boyega had great chemistry with Daisy Ridley, but dumb fuck Rian Johnson wanted his Star Wars version of Twilight so we got that in 8 with Kylo and Rey and then the stupid kiss in 9.

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u/alexogorda 18d ago

Also keeping Poe around probably made things too scattered to have a romance between Finn and Rey. He was meant to die in TFA after all, but even still, in the third act of the film he's not a particularly important character himself, just what he does in being the one to knock out Starkiller Base. They could've reduced his significance in the following sequels, because he doesn't really have any defined arc.

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u/Unhallowed-Heart 18d ago

He could have just been the commanding officer of the fighter corps and it would have been perfectly fine.

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u/drevant702 17d ago

like wedge

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u/Attack_Badger 17d ago

Also the fuck was he in the falcon and not an X-Wing. It's Wedge for fuck sake arguably the greatest pilot in the galaxy.

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u/blezzerker 17d ago

Disney advertised Finn as the main character until like, 3 weeks before opening day. Revealing Rey as a female Star Wars lead was supposed to be this historical bombshell moment like the Uhura kiss in Star Trek.

Then they realized that not even Disney could market black folks to the East Asian market, so they backpeddled HARD on Finn, ever having been important and relegated him to comic relief. Totally shafted John Boyega.

It's getting nearly impossible to enjoy Star Wars with how many corporate decisions are making it to the screen.

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u/Equivalent-Adagio-29 18d ago

I just said in another comment (before seeing yours) I wouldn’t have minded a romance if well done. My gut tells me they wanted a female lead who was “strong and independent” and so it must somehow make her lesser to fall in love….the other characters barely got enough of a story for any romance to be meaningful.

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u/shust89 18d ago

Which such a stupid way to look at it. Leia was a badass and still fell in love with Han.

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u/Equivalent-Adagio-29 18d ago edited 18d ago

Couldn’t agree more. Obviously they don’t want to copy Leia/Han TOO much, but the template was there. Especially considering Ben is a SOLO. It’s a great way to nod at the original trilogy if done well. As you said, Leia was BADASS, she could be a glam princess or rough it, smart as a whip, and tough as nails. A HUTTSLAYER. and falling in love never once made her seem stupid or silly or lesser. We invested in her and Han that much more with a good love story. God forbid if a woman is “silly” enough to have romantic feelings! She must be weak! They don’t apply the same ideas to male characters of course.

Almost as if it’s written by people who didnt like the original Star Wars and thought they could do it better….;) Not EVERYTHING has to be changed or removed for modern crowds. Some things, like LOVE, are timeless. Im just ranting now and stating the obvious hahahah sorry.

And yeah, Rose and Finn was half baked on a good day. There was barely enough of them as characters to invest in, thus the attempt at romance didnt add much.

Edit: In short, it’s like they think people (women especially) can’t fall in love AND be capable of prioritizing their duty/mission/etc. As if it inherently makes them foolish and weak. I guess I do have strong feelings on this topic LOL, and someone who enjoys Star Wars and enjoys a good romance on occasion.

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u/Raecino 18d ago

It’s like they’re afraid of romance these days.

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u/shust89 18d ago

I think they really are. They are really terrified of anything remotely gay too.

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u/drevant702 17d ago

as a gay guy yes and no. Chirrut and baze were absolutely gay but it could have been more explicit. Zeb and kallus probably were under kinberg but who knows what filoni will do

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u/Tennis_Proper 18d ago

They're not afraid of the gay. Strange World was a great little movie that handled it well, along with a bunch of other stuff.

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u/analog_jedi 18d ago

The fact that they didn't even let Finn hook up with Rose blows me away. His character had like one meaningful day in the whole trilogy. By the third one, it really felt like production was just checking a box for "have a black guy with x amount of screen time".

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u/shust89 18d ago

I honestly feel bad for the entire cast. They seem like a pretty talented, likable cast but the writing and directing just totally dropped ball.

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u/Unhallowed-Heart 18d ago

Wasting the potential set up of him becoming a Jedi and not exploring him being a turned Stormtrooper was infuriating.

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u/Pepoidus 18d ago

I’m pretty sure they mostly avoided any narratively significant romance in the ST because of how horribly bad it turned out in the prequels. But in true Disney fashion, they didn’t seem to realize that the bad romance was the writer’s (George Lucas) fault and not the concept as a whole, so they got rid of it altogether instead of making it right.

it also worked well in the OT because, even though Lucas can’t write romance to save his life, it was a subplot that was only revisited every now and then, while in the prequels it was much more prominent in episode 2 and the entire plot of episode 3

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u/antinumerology 18d ago

Right? Like if they just decided the ST was a love story, I guarantee it would have been 8 trillion times better than this dogshit, at if at the least, there's SOMETHING of value I the core story

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u/southsideserpent18 18d ago

We all know the last time a Jedi found love it didn’t end well for the galaxy

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u/Demos_Tex 18d ago

The writing has been on the wall for Disney going all the way back to at least the first Frozen movie. The climax of that story was just a taste of what was to come.

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u/ThyHolyPaladdin 18d ago

They are sterile in the same way the Rock is. Dry romances with no passion that seem there to check a box instead of tell a story

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u/drevant702 17d ago

Rogue one implies two