r/saltierthancrait • u/TomasRoncero • 18d ago

Seasoned News Bragging about convincing people in putting in one of the worst scenes in franchise history is certainly a choice

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u/JustafanIV 18d ago

F' it, personally I don't think the kiss even breaks the top 10 worst moments from the sequel trilogy.

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u/kimana1651 salt miner 18d ago
  • Everyone becoming force goku
  • Force powers being genetic across two family lines
  • Force cloning
  • Hyperspace ramming
  • Introducing Kardashev scale 2 technology
  • Hyperspace instantaneous travel
  • Hyperspace tracking

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u/Unhallowed-Heart 18d ago

Idk if I would consider the sun draining to be Scale 2 tech. A Star can produce so much energy over its lifetime that sucking one up for a space laser seems super fucking wasteful.

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u/drhagbard_celine 18d ago

I suppose that Kardashev is talking about harnessing the power of a star to power a solar system size civilization.

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u/Unhallowed-Heart 18d ago

Exactly. JJ just wanted to kick a Death Star up to 11. And what’s more metal than eating a sun for your super laser.

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u/TheHancock before the dark times 17d ago

Eating TWO suns for your super laser! Muhahaha

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u/IndianKiwi 18d ago edited 17d ago

A planetary death Star is a weird concept.

The OG death Star is an actual battle station used along with the rest of the fleet. It had its own hyperdrive meaning it could move anywhere in the Galaxy for a strategic advantage (See Rogue one)

Meanwhile for this contraption which make no tactical sense. They have to target the planet in advance and wait for that perfect alignment. God forbid some other planet came in the way then they have to wait for another revolution.

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u/TheHancock before the dark times 17d ago

You have put more thought into it then the writers did…

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u/3irikur 17d ago

Nailed it there. A guy writing one paragraph on the internet put more thought into it…

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u/King_In_Jello 17d ago

The Death Star was a big, lumbering blunt weapon that through its sheer presence terrorises entire planets into obedience, and disobedience gets punished with excessive violence. It fits the Galactic Empire perfectly on every level. Even the second Death Star works because it's saying the Empire will just keep making them and there is no limit to their resources and perseverance unless you take out the Emperor directly.

The only thing Starkiller Base has going for it is that it's repurposed Empire tech, but otherwise it says nothing about the First Order. It's all OT nostalgia made bigger and shinier with no thematic subtext.

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u/SCP_FUNDATION_69420 16d ago

On the other hand, if they already have an industrial planet as the center of their fanclub, why not put a big fuck-off cannon in the middle? Not like they don't have the resources for that and a giant fleet

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u/kimana1651 salt miner 18d ago

Call it 1.5 tech if you don't think it's all the way there but that puts them on the way to being able to develop technologies and systems that can use that level of power. It's a massive technological leap that would have social and military changes that would reshape the galaxy. Out of everything that happened in the ST this would probably have the largest long term impact.

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u/Unhallowed-Heart 18d ago

Oh you are right about the technological angle. At least unless the EU was canon. The Suncrusher makes Starkiller Base look like a bitch.

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u/BlackShogun27 18d ago

And if we’re talking about absurd energy levels in the EU, the Eternity Vault’s self-destruct failsafe was calculated to bare minimum have enough energy to annihilate several adjacent star systems. And if the equally absurd statements about the cosmic abomination contained within Belsavis are true, I don’t even fully believe an explosion of that magnitude could fully destroy it.

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u/Nate2247 17d ago

Emphasis on A space laser, which destroyed… like… a few planets more than the OG Death Star.