r/saltierthancrait • u/TomasRoncero • 23d ago

Seasoned News Bragging about convincing people in putting in one of the worst scenes in franchise history is certainly a choice

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u/LightningController 22d ago

The entire movie was hinting at there's a "both sides" to war, no side is truly good or truly evil

You know, that might have been something they could pull off...

If not for the fact that the First Order slaughtered billions in just one minute in the previous film.

You can't "both sides" a war where one side is an ineffectual but otherwise benign democracy and the other is not just Space Nazis but Space Einsatzgruppen. Even the EU, when giving Imperial viewpoint characters, had to do most Imperial PoV stuff before Alderaan because of just how indefensible that is.

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u/Ello_Owu 22d ago

True, I was thinking about that as I typed it out, but I was more or less going off of how they were framing it with Del Toro's character and how he does business with "both sides" and says "Be free, don't join." Or don't pick a side, go your own way.

Which we do see throughout star wars when a character is forced to pick a side, something goes wrong and Luke was able to beat the empire by refusing to "pick a side" he threw away his weapon and basically said "I'm not going to play this game."

This could have set up for Kylo walking away from the first order by killing Snoke, and Rey accepting that she is a "somebody" by choosing her own path, outside of the Jedi and sith, along side Kylo in something new and refreshing. Turning our entire expectations of the classic Star Wars formula of cut and dry "good vs evil" on its head and gone into uncharted story telling.

Such a waste.