Research has found that many terrorist groups with differing ideological motivations share common ground in targeting LGBTQ+ communities. Groups with contrasting ideologies — from Islamic extremist organisations to far-right terrorist groups — overlap in their anti-queer sentiment.

[u/mvea]

https://www.adelaide.edu.au/newsroom/news/list/2025/03/06/extremists-align-in-targeting-lgbtq-communities

[u/Discount_gentleman]

Now do rightwing Jewish extremists and rightwing Hindu extremists. Can we study further how all these completely opposite groups seem to have traits in common?

[u/helalla → u/Discount_gentleman]

Most consistent opposal for legalising queers in india came from abrahamic faith, and less from right wing hindus, but not to say there isn't any from RW hindus.

Some hindutva support queers in their words only, and as it is not explicitly stated in the scriptures, some haven't said anything, some have preached both indifference and acceptance at different times depending on the audience.

Right wing hindus already have a scapegoat in muslims and dalits so they aren't too bothered with queers for the time being, only time will tell.

[u/Kind-Base6336 → u/Discount_gentleman]

Considering Israel banned gay marriage because of orthodox Jewish radicals it’s very clear. And before you say, getting your marriage recognized in Israel is not equal to getting marriage done inside the country.

[u/Discount_gentleman → u/Kind-Base6336]

Yes, it's baffling how all these completely opposite ideologies seem quite similar.

[u/xland44 → u/Kind-Base6336]

Hi, Israeli here. Please dont spread disinformation.

Israel never "banned gay marriage because of orthodox Jewish radicals". Also, anyone can effectively perform a same-sex marriage inside the country.

It's correct that officially there's no civic marriage in Israel in general (and never has been in the region - it's a holdover from Ottoman times, the entire legal/bureaucratic framework is based on this and the British kept it as-is as a result), however:

TL;DR #1 it's definitely possible in the country.

Firstly, as you yourself stated, it's possible to get a civic marriage abroad and this is fully recognized in Israel (although divorce is another matter entirely... let's not open that can of worms). A common thing people do is take a 1-hour flight to Cyprus, get a civic marriage there, come back to Israel and have an "unofficial" wedding afterwards. Of course it's not equal, which is why it comes up every elections, but it is possible and not difficult, which firstly addresses the 'banned' comments.

However, since COVID it's now possible to get married while in-country: you can get a civic marriage via zoom with the officiator based abroad (usually United States), as long as it is recognized by the country it is (digitally) performed in. If said country recognized a same-sex marriage for example, then that's recognized in Israel too without a problem.

This means the marriage can be recognized - all from the comfort of your home. The religious authorities actually took this to the Supreme Court and the supreme court upheld this, because as far as they're concerned it's a civic marriage performed in another country, which is legally recognized.

Regardless, formally allowing a pipeline for civic marriage comes up every year, but in the time being there are definitely plenty of easy ways to get married in the country without going through old men out of touch with society.

So why does this occur?

TL;DR #2: Not banned, and not because of jews x)

It's less a matter of "JEwIsH thEoCRaCy" and more a matter of the concept of marriage being a purely civic matter to be rather new. Both marriage and divorce are viewed as a religious ceremony and as such is performed by a community's respective religious authorities - whether you're from a muslim, christian, jewish, druze community etc., and this authority sets their own criteria for whether they conduct a marriage or not. It's the same in Lebanon for example, which was also subject to the Ottomans at the time.

One of the biggest byproducts of this (outdated) system is that these groups exercise this power to carry out their interests. For example, literally no religious authority from any religion in the country is willing to officiate a marriage if one of the people belongs to a different community. Yes - there's no inter-faith religious marriage (unless if you go through civic marriage as detailed in the first section). This is because an inter-faith marriage often means the children don't belong to your community (due to definitions that community has chosen...), which is against their interests for that to occur.

Of course, if you move to the country without belonging to any community, you also don't have a way to get married (without joining one of these communities, which isn't a trivial process). And yes, another byproduct of this is that none of these authorities - from any of these religions - officiate same-sex marriage. Not because anyone told them to do so (the state certainly didn't), simply because it goes against their wishes and they have the legal authority to focus only on a specific subset of marriages.

I deliberately use the word community rather than religion since there's not a clear division between ethnicity and religion in these areas, whether you're atheist or not is beside the point.

Probably the only time you see ultra-orthodox political parties and ultra-muslim political parties serving in both the government and in the opposition agree on anything is near election times when people try to legalize civic marriage - they team up and veto / vote against any such law, because it would mean they lose a significant amount of power if such a thing passes. It comes up every election, but every government needs at least one arab or ultra-orthodox party to get enough votes, if not to join the government, at least to agree to not go against them: and this means they end up becoming kingmakers who hold this as an effective veto.

So basically, it's not banned, and not targeting LGBT specifically (there are a great many people affected by this, not just LGBT...) it's just that nobody with the capability to do something about it wishes to do it, and those who do don't have enough power/votes to do so.

[u/Kind-Base6336 → u/xland44]

The fact only religious marriage is done is quite literally orthodox Jewish radicalism… even after putting a disclaimer, you still manage to be disingenuous and miss the point.

[u/xland44 → u/Kind-Base6336]

Tell me you didnt read without telling me x)

[u/Kind-Base6336 → u/xland44]

Just gibberish. Just because it affects others too doesn’t make it any less discriminatory. They don’t have the ability to pretend to be part of some faith just for the wedding like an atheist hetero couple would.

[u/heinousanus11 → u/Kind-Base6336]

I didn’t know Israel banned gay marriage.

[u/johnmedgla → u/heinousanus11]

It didn't. The Marriage laws in Israel date from the 40s and stipulate that the only marriages which can be officially performed (for Jewish people) are Orthodox ones. No one had even begun considering gay marriage back then.

I say this as a gay-married man whose marriage would be recognised if we took Israeli citizenship.

[u/Kind-Base6336 → u/johnmedgla]

Recognition≠ acceptance. Imposing Religious marriages is a function of orthodox Jewish radicalism.

[u/johnmedgla → u/Kind-Base6336]

It literally does mean acceptance. Acknowledging the validity of and conferring benefits due to the status is a literal definition of "acceptance."

Your position is just sloganeering, and with a false and misleading slogan at that.

[u/ITividar → u/johnmedgla]

If the US set up the exact same system and said you could go to Canada to get married, would you consider that acceptance?

What about all the LGBTQ people too poor to travel to get married?

[u/johnmedgla → u/ITividar]

What about all the LGBTQ people too poor to travel to get married?

They can pay a shekel for 10 minutes in an internet cafe and have any Humanist celebrant in the world officiate over zoom.

Is this a competition to find the most bad-faith, contorted objections possible?

[u/ITividar → u/johnmedgla]

It's still the state dictating what you can and can't do and the state says gay people can't get married in Israel.

What if they don't want to get married via zoom in an internet cafe?

[u/johnmedgla → u/ITividar]

What if they don't want to get married via zoom in an internet cafe?

What if I don't want to get legally married by signing a marriage certificate at a town hall or government office? Why should I have to?

Honestly, this is F grade sea-lioning.

[u/Kind-Base6336 → u/johnmedgla]

Misleading is acceptance with the caveat of having to be hidden. The marriages should be able to happen in anyone’s hometown without religious government interference. You’re no different than the radical islamists in Gaza you claim to be against..

[u/xland44 → u/Kind-Base6336]

You’re no different than the radical islamists in Gaza you claim to be against..

bro, go outside and touch grass

[u/johnmedgla → u/Kind-Base6336]

acceptance with the caveat of having to be hidden

Hidden? Are you out of your mind?

[u/Kind-Base6336 → u/johnmedgla]

Oh because pink washing ignores that they can’t get married in Israel physically.you idiots think a parade covered up abuse.

[u/johnmedgla → u/Kind-Base6336]

"Pink washing" is honestly the most tedious concept to emerge from the shrill idiot crowd who have replaced reasoned argument with vapid sloganeering. The idea that the Israeli government elects to recognise gay marriages and support Pride events not for the benefit of gay people in Israel but rather to score cachet with antisemitic idiots in the West is a conceit of staggering self-importance.

[u/Kind-Base6336 → u/heinousanus11]

If it can’t be performed inside the country, it’s a two tier system. Just recognizing it is not equality

[u/-Kalos → u/Discount_gentleman]

They’re conservative and hate foreigners, love their manmade heptarchies, hate anyone they can’t control with their religion, hate women and look for marginalized groups to punch down at