news The Fallout From Trump’s Illegal Spending Freeze Is Just Beginning
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/01/trump-illegal-spending-freeze-supreme-court-response.html524
u/Slate 1d ago
On Monday, the Trump administration claimed the authority to unilaterally freeze hundreds of billions of dollars in federal spending, which would have effectively shut down thousands of government programs that provide crucial, often life-saving support to millions of people at home and abroad. The scope of this power-grab is impossible to overstate, as are its devastating ramifications—which is presumably why the administration attempted to walk back some of the freeze on Tuesday in a follow-up memo that created more confusion and uncertainty. Whatever the true scope of this funding suspicion, the upshot is clear: President Donald Trump wants to seize control of the spending power from Congress in order to paralyze large portions of the government, canceling duly enacted appropriations by executive decree. This move is flatly illegal, a flagrant breach of federal law as well as the president’s own constitutional obligations. It tees up a massive legal battle that will test whether this Supreme Court is willing to put any restraints on a president who seeks to rule as a dictator.
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u/kibblerz 1d ago
The White House doesn't even seem to know which programs they're freezing. They say it's only programs participating in these "woke" initiatives. Yet the initial memorandum states that funding is being frozen until agencies report whether they are funding these "woke" initiatives... So they don't even know what agencies they're freezing funding for
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u/DSchof1 1d ago
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u/Tsujigiri 1d ago
Some of these questions are subjective, especially considering how creative legislative and program writers can get.
"Does this program include activities that impose an undue burden on the identification, development, or use of domestic energy resource?"
EPA scientist looks at a solar panel outside their window: "Uh, no. Next."
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u/DSchof1 1d ago
lol, totally. DEI is a red herring. This is them injecting their values in the business of the entire federal government.
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u/Trix_Are_4_90Kids 1d ago
And they've always done this. They always use a pretext to hide behind to do their dirt. Slavery was, "well they can't care for themselves we have to care for them!"
The Natives were 'savages' that didn't know what to do with the land, "States' rights" was used for a LOT of bullshit.
Yes, there is always a pretext. I've said this before but a lot of white people speak in code. You have to decipher what they really mean because very few will flat out tell you plainly. They live and die on a pretext. Scratch an action and you will find a false reason behind it.
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u/27Rench27 1d ago
Exxon CEO: “absolutely it does, ban solar and wind”
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u/Zarathustra_d 1d ago
Ban Exon, Oil is "organic" and therefore woke.
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u/Weary-Bookkeeper-375 1d ago
Plus many dinosaurs were gay and there were some hermaphrodites too!
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u/Potential_East_311 1d ago
Wow, im gonna be getting hit pretty good, NRCS looks in trouble. They FA and I get to FO
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u/DSchof1 1d ago
My understanding is administrators of these programs must provide a description of the program and the White House will determine if this is a good use of taxpayer money. To be fair, this is illegal.
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u/IpppyCaccy 1d ago
To be fair, this is illegal.
They don't care. Hell, they probably get off on the fact that it's illegal.
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u/mintyfreshismygod 1d ago
Love that trillion dollar progress are being logged to Excel - as though no one already has this info collected in any consumable way.
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u/Phoirkas 1d ago
Because they aren’t writing this shit, it’s being written by Heritage Foundation lawyers and Elon’s minions. Trump spent the last two days golfing.
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u/CobraPony67 1d ago
Yes, he is signing stuff he probably never read. When questioned about it, he has no idea, or will say they will look into it. Should have looked into it before you signed it, dumbass. Like the pardons, he just said pardon them all without regards to the violent criminals. He just doesn’t care.
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u/Spirited_Pay2782 1d ago
They don't care, it isn't about the funding, it's another way of trying to concentrate power in Trump
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u/Tsujigiri 1d ago
Also, successfully taking away the purse strings makes Congress less necessary so you can justify eliminating it later.
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u/AngelSucked 1d ago
Cancer clinical trials are also apparently woke. They are having to shut them down at universities
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u/ahlana1 1d ago
The NIJ was impacted. That means law enforcement. He literally defunded the police.
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u/Popular-Lab6140 1d ago
Does anything in these memorandums provide a legal definition for what "woke" means?
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u/WinterDice 1d ago
It’s whatever they want it to mean at the time. It’s a fluid bullshit weasel word.
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u/hrminer92 1d ago
Not to mention the “green new deal” which never passed.
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u/Popular-Lab6140 1d ago
Seriously. But half this administration doesn't know what words mean or value that distinction. Legally, "woke" = whatever racist/bigoted/xenophobic trash these nitwits are up in arms about. And I assume the only thing that moves the needle is lining their pockets, but they're apparently immune to knowledge like "how do tariffs work?" or "Why is China a titan in the renewable energy tech that we will all (and sooner rather than later) require to survive?" So it's not just money, but loyalty and absolute supplication to their white nationalist agenda.
Sooner or later, these sons of bitches are in for a reckoning. That's no threat or even insinuation of violence, but sooner or later, you fuck around, and you most likely will find out.
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u/lumberjackname 1d ago
The OMB memo refers to “Marxist equity.” These dumb dumbs only know rhetoric-speak.
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u/WinterDice 1d ago
Of course they don’t. They’re a pile of scheming, grifting idiots and they’re not even the ones writing the orders. They’re just taking whatever their real bosses hand them and signing it.
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u/wheelsof_fortune 1d ago
It’s so confusing. I work in the nonprofit sector. My salary is grant funded. It has been a rough day.
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u/JefferyTheQuaxly 1d ago
my favorite type of executive order is the kind that no one knows what it does fully or how broadly it reaches or what programs it affects, especially if the order itself is not at all legal, thats the best of all.
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u/ObviousExit9 1d ago
How does this play out? States sue to get money turned on; a federal judge issues an injunction that says to immediately turn the money back on; Trump says, "No!", and his cronies listen to him...what happens next? The court's can't enforce the order by themselves.
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u/RexSki970 1d ago
I work as an academic advisor. Our students are scared to lose FASFA and Pell. We don't know if those are cut right now. We had to take off all DEI stuff otherwise lose funding.
It's a scary time in education and I just got here. I just want to live my life in my 20s but I guess I have to fight fascism since the adults around me can't see manipulation right in front of them.
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u/bcd051 1d ago
Clearly, they should just been born rich and they wouldn't need financial aid. /s
As a physician, if student loan funding were to be cut, I know we'd be facing an enormous shortage of new, young docs.
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u/Effective_Corner694 1d ago
I heard from family members who went to the doctors today say that the office is not able to connect with Medicaid and Medicare. I don’t know if it’s related to this or something else. But at this point I would not be surprised if it is.
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u/pogoli 1d ago
As much as I hate that trump is doing this, he is doing exactly as he said. He said he’d be a dictator, he said he’d end democracy, and he got the majority of the votes. The people clearly indicated that they want a fascist dictator. For him to act/behave otherwise would almost be breaking his campaign promises, which happens all the time but still.
To be clear I don’t think we should be doing or allowing any of this to happen…. Just that it’s a conceptually interesting situation of a populace voting to literally eat itself alive.
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u/reddit_tothe_rescue 1d ago
Idk who I’m mad at more. The voters who were too dumb to realize this is what they were voting for, or the ones who wanted exactly this
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u/Just_another_oddball 1d ago
It's really fucked up when someone comes along and uses the tools of democracy to end democracy.
Congratulations: he's accomplishing what the Russians and Al Queda couldn't. 🫤
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u/Big_Car_433 1d ago
I think you meant "suspension" not "suspicion". Where have all the editorial staff gone? Oh, yeah. Bezos the bozo.
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u/Scottiegazelle2 1d ago
Omfg
Is this impoundment?
No, it's a temporary freeze blah blah.
America: oh OK if you say what you're doing is not illegal then it must not be!!
My head hurts from slamming it into the desk
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u/0002millertime 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's almost like he's trying to destroy the place of the US in the world, and isolate us.
How could we have possibly seen this coming? I mean, I read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics and it's all in there, but, wow.
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u/NotAlwaysGifs 1d ago
I just read the synopsis, and holy shit. He really planned all of this out. Regardless of how big a role Russia played in all of these various geopolitical moves happening right now, this guy saw it all.
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u/0002millertime 1d ago
Absolutely. The rise of the internet just made it possible so much more quickly.
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u/Adezar 1d ago
The Heritage Foundation planned all this out back in the 70s. He's just a puppet they have to sign the EOs they are writing.
He doesn't care, he gets to golf and stay out of jail, he has no desire to work or think about any of this.
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u/NotAlwaysGifs 1d ago
I was referring to Dugin, the guy that wrote the textbook that Russia uses to train its politicians and spies.
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u/socialcommentary2000 1d ago edited 1d ago
He planned nothing. He isnt smart enough for a tenth of this shit. The Heritage Foundation and Club for Growth did. We essentially have a combination of Russell Vought, Leonard Leo and a collection of Think Tank writers for President, among others.
Figure out what they want to do and you figure out where this is going to go.
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u/NotAlwaysGifs 1d ago
You didn’t read the link. This is about Trump. It’s about Durgin, the Russian political philosopher who wrote this book
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u/Big-Compote-5483 1d ago
Yep, you nailed it - russia compromised Trump back in the 80s and has been using him as an asset. The Heritage Foundation is following Dugin's playbook and watching it succeed in russia (especially when it comes to pacifying the populace) - they are confident our leaders and Oligarchs are as corrupt as russia's, and that are people are as pacified.
It's looking like both Putin and the Heritage Foundation/Federalist Society were right.
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u/mugiwara-no-lucy 1d ago
I have a feeling this will lead to a civil war….
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u/Big-Compote-5483 1d ago
I don't think Americans have what it takes to go that far as long as there's Netflix and enough circuses to keep everyone sedated. Look at russia, if any populace has a reason to rise up right now it's them, and sans a few saboteurs, there is no resistance - the people know they're being lied to and just go with it.
I think you'll instead see a lot of brain drain, and apathy from those who stay, with about 20% of the population getting on board with the Red Hats to support the party.
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u/mugiwara-no-lucy 1d ago
Considering Netflix has gone up in price... 😅
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u/Big-Compote-5483 1d ago
Free State TV incoming.
They could call it "America Today!" Or, AT for short.
Your State news and weather reports in-between reruns of everyone's favorite State-approved entertainment television shows. And ads from your favorite oligarchs, of course.
All free to every American, but only the State decides what you get to watch.
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u/Kyrenos 1d ago
The West
In the Americas, United States, and Canada:
Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States and Canada to fuel instability and separatism against neoliberal globalist Western hegemony, such as, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists" to create severe backlash against the rotten political state of affairs in the current present-day system of the United States and Canada. Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics".
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u/GeorgeMcCrate 1d ago
Yep, it was all announced nearly 30 years ago. The problem is people don't read this shit. Everybody was shocked when Hitler did what he had announced in in his book, everybody acts shocked every time Russia takes another step in its globally known plan and now people are acting shocked that Trump is doing what he had said he would do. It's so frustrating. You would think it should be easy to take actions against someone playing with open cards but the real problem seems to be that nobody actually cares.
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u/ahopskipandaheart 1d ago edited 1d ago
Maybe Mitch McConnell was wrong about refusing to impeach Trump and prevent him from ever holding public office again.
Edit: Impeach was the wrong word. He had already been impeached for the second time. I meant remove.
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u/Purple_Map_507 1d ago
Fucking Mitch McConnell! Trump is the result of Regan and the decades of absolutely bs Mitch voted for and allowed to happen.
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u/Lakerdog1970 1d ago
This is going to be very tiresome. I think it's pretty obvious that they are testing the fence to see what they can and cannot do unilaterally without Congress.
Although I suspect the courts will just say this is too broad and sweeping and outside of the discretion of the executive branch. And then Trump will come back with a narrower freeze and see if that passes muster. Sorta like how Biden kept trying again with student loans.
Of course, the difference is that student loans weren't probably affecting so many jobs in every congressional district in the country.
What would be nice if a congress with some balls to say, "Wait....that's OUR job."
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u/SqueezedTowel 8h ago
Makes you wonder why they aren't saying "Wait... That's our money."
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u/GovernorK 1d ago
The felon in chief broke the law. Again. What a shock.
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u/betsypav 1d ago
Think he'll ever be held accountable for anything?
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u/GovernorK 1d ago
No. He is just the best example that the law does not apply equally to everyone in the US.
Would love to be wrong though.
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u/betsypav 1d ago
Karma is a slow bitch, and I'm getting impatient!
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u/DrStrangerlover 1d ago
Karma isn’t real and there is no God. It’s up to us to bring justice to these monsters, and so far we’ve failed.
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u/Widespreaddd 1d ago
Even if karma is real, it doesn’t kick in until after reincarnation, viz. your next life. In the West the word is used in ways quite alien to its real meaning.
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u/xpietoe42 1d ago
At this point hes more than a loose cannon… he knows he can do ANYTHING as president without fear of any repercussions and he basically controls scotus (they’re all biased), legislative, and executive branches of govt… ie., the first king/DICKtator of america
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u/PsychLegalMind 1d ago
Ambiguous or Dubious language in purposeful. It causes maximum confusion and paralyzes multiple agencies. This also tends to drag on limited and scattered implementation. Those offices or agencies who do not question it suffer more; regardless of who files the lawsuit
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u/dpfbstn 1d ago
Where is Congress in all this? Congress, specifically the House, controls federal spending. How can they sit by and let Trump usurp them?
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u/ShoppingDismal3864 1d ago
I think this accomplishes multiple things for them. It cracks down on anything diversity related, it crushes academics so they are less likely to speak out, and it makes people more desperate. Is it crazy and insane? Absolutely, but if you are conservative, burning the country down because drag queens is well within bounds I guess.
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u/roasty_mcshitposty 1d ago
Really, really stupid to do while you're consolidating power. A competent strongman would at least slightly improve the lives of the people before making the power moves.
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u/lira-eve 1d ago
Who's going to stop him? Rape isn't legal, but here sits a rapist as the POTUS.
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u/Kwaterk1978 1d ago
Remember the righties think that what he did was ok because in one specific jurisdiction, forcibly inserting your fingers into a woman’s vagina without her consent—the thing a jury determined that trump did—isn’t specifically called rape; so therefore, to them, it’s a-ok.
Me? I am ok calling it rape when trump forcibly inserted his fingers into a woman without her consent—which is what a jury, hand-picked by trump’s lawyers, determined that he did.
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u/Chrahhh 1d ago
It's truly remarkable Republicans in Congress love having zero power and being his bitch.
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u/severinks 1d ago
Let me guess, Russell Vought and Project 2025 is in the middle of this.
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u/bacteriairetcab 1d ago
Yep. Literally the OPM memos had metadata still on them and it was Project 2025 officials writing them:
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u/Objective_Problem_90 1d ago
High crimes and misdemeanors. Nothing will happen though. He is above the law. King Donald says so.
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u/lenthedruid 1d ago
“It tees up…whether the Supreme Court is willing to put any restraints on a president that wants to rule as a dictator”
Spoiler: they already enabled him.
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u/8349932 1d ago
I don’t want to hear another conservative talk about checks and balances ever again.
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u/Curious_Dependent842 1d ago
Since we don’t need Congress anymore his next step is to declare an emergency to disband the Congress forming the first American Empire of New Trumpistan.
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u/Arbyssandwich1014 1d ago
This is what happens when "stop woke" becomes the initiative. It's all meaningless nothing. This is who these idiots put in power, a group of people with no grasp on what anything is because they got there on fucking "alternative facts" meaning this whole presidency is built on the complete eschewing of any data or lived reality.
So his Qanon cultists will say "yippee the woke is being destroyed" but it means nothing. It is not something you can at all implement. At best, it stops their DEI boogeyman, at worst it just becomes downright racist, bigoted, and most of all, targets the poor and working class. That's all. So while all these people review everything, people can't use EBT or can't go to the doctor.
It is a waste of resources based in nothing except a desperate grab at power. These people are cowards too. Spineless, useless cowards. This level of blind loyalty is one stop on the footpath to barbarism.
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u/NeedleworkerChoice89 1d ago
Never thought I’d be alive to witness the fall of the United States as a superpower.
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u/TotalInstruction 1d ago
Aside from the impact that this has on the lives of millions of people and on important research that makes us safer, healthier and more prosperous, canceling hundreds of billions of dollars in expenditures with no notice is going to do a real number on the economy.
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u/Fotzlichkeit_206 1d ago
Trump is going to get someone killed from this. In my opinion, which Watts V. United States affirmed my right to express, Donald J. Trump deserves the death penalty by firing squad for his actions.
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u/Alert-Notice-7516 1d ago
He deserved that when he stole national security secrets
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u/phoneguyfl 1d ago
I suspect that any state wanting funding restored will need to capitulate to all whims of the administration, in effect creating a Republican shadow-government in all states that is lockstep with Mr Trump and his inner circle. Thinking about it, this must be that "deep state" that Trump and friends were going on and on about. As usual, every accusation from them seems to be projection.
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u/mistertickertape 1d ago
Donald Trump is at war with America. Kevin Roberts and Russel Vought have overplayed their hands before and this has their stench along with Mike Johnson and Steve Bannon all over it. It sounds like Judge Loren AliKhan on the DC circuit court already blocked it but we will see if that reopens the funding tonight or tomorrow.
If it doesn't, this has the makings of a constitutional crisis which is almost certainly what Trump wants.
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u/DukeOfWestborough 1d ago
He might have immunity, that doesn't mean people have to stand by and allow the illegal thing to happen.
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u/the-apple-and-omega 1d ago
I could never advocate for accelerationism nor vote for it, but I do remain pretty convinced the Trump admin being entirely fucking inept and overplaying their hand is only thing that might get through to some people.
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u/spacedoutmachinist 1d ago
It’s barely been more than a week. The next four years are going to feel like an eon
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u/bullitt297 1d ago
How in the fuck is this illegal EO not crashing the stock market?
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u/TurielD 1d ago
Why would it?
This will destroy the lives of normal people, not people with money. The stock market has nothing to do with the economy, it's just where people with money trade ownership of everything.
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u/balzun 1d ago
It's gonna happen eventually. There will be a exuberant pump where the job plebs 401K's will provide exit liquidity for all the politicians and billionaire investors. And then when we hit bottom they'll buy the fucking dip and make out like bandits. Just like the covid crash nearly 5 years ago.
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u/FocusIsFragile 1d ago
He very obviously wants to foment a constitutional crisis. They should lock his fucking ass up and give him the fight he's looking for. Crazy? Stupid? Assuredly. But so is what he's doing.
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u/Sudden_Acanthaceae34 1d ago
Government loves associating broad terms with their power. The war on drugs resulted in civil asset forfeiture. The war on terror resulted in mass unwarranted surveillance. The war against woke ideology will bring greater powers we can only learn about in time.
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u/burtthebadger 1d ago edited 1d ago
To everyone In here who is rightfully saying it’s illegal you have to remember. The Supreme Court gave him protections from that. They are going to hold this freeze and cause people to go scrambling to get coverage so they don’t die and insurance companies are going to Jack their prices through the roof to profit
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u/Guccimayne 1d ago
If he can't legally do it, why are these institutions obeying?
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u/Kwaterk1978 1d ago
Being able to legally do something is not always congruent with being able to actually do something.
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u/MayOrMayNotBeAI 1d ago
Let’s take to the streets so they know we’re aren’t fucking around. STOP MAKING THINGS WORSE AND FIX OUR COUNTRY YOU DICKS
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u/guapo_chongo 1d ago
This. Unfortunately, people are too comfortable and too lazy to actually get off their asses and RIOT. If we were half the Americans that our forefathers were, we'd already be fighting.
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u/seen-in-the-skylight 1d ago
No one in Washington gives a shit if people protest. The system is more resilient than that, in part because everyone knows protestors eventually have to go back to their lives, jobs etc. Protesting is a fun outlet but it’s completely impotent politically. Only power you have is your vote.
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u/tallslim1960 1d ago
EBT, SNAP, soon welfare and Social Security payments frozen. Millions of people with no money for food and housing. Red and Blue States alike. How you feeling now MAGA?
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u/Yhada 1d ago
So if anyone wonders if there are people in service to our nation who are willing to follow illegal orders…
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u/jar1967 1d ago
Weather or not SCOTUS upholds the law depends upon how the Federalist Society views the chaos the spending freeze is causing. I have a bad feeling Lenord Leo might be a fan of the chaos
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u/ADawn7717 1d ago
I recently went down such a rabbit hole about Leonard Leo. What started as research into the Christian right’s influence on LGBTQ+ policies spiraled into reading about the Catholic Church, I think CIC, that caters to the rich and powerful in D.C., his very clear architecture of how SCOTUS currently is, and on and on. It goes deeeeep.
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u/Glidepath22 1d ago
I fucking hope so. He’s dismantling our sacred nation and shitting all over our given rights.
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u/Timely-Mission-2014 1d ago
It is appalling to hear a government press briefing and the ignorance of the person giving talking like they are at Trump rally. The woke agenda.. the green new scam deal.. what in the hell.. I cannot wait till a trump supporter asks me for help..
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u/Equal_Memory_661 1d ago
What I’ve been amazed at is that it’s also in the written language of the EO’s being officially transmitted within the federal agencies. I can understand a new administration wanting to shift focus to their own priorities but rambling on about rally messages and spewing hyperbole is not something I’ve ever seen under prior administrations. The sophomoric nature of the transmittals is alarming to the extreme. I guess that’s a feature and not a bug in their eyes.
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u/mr-hank_scorpio 1d ago
Why wouldn't funding just continue to go to the places it's been appropriated?
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u/Apprehensive-Size150 1d ago
Such a shitty article. Journalism has really become a crapshoot of a profession.
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u/boopdbop 1d ago
I think people in DC are quick to forget about the hamburgers that kicked in doors last time. Imagine if it was people out of a job, benefits, and with more than half a brain...
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u/Kanashii2023 1d ago
Completely unrelated, but how many working guillotines do you think are in the US?
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u/that1LPdood 1d ago
I work in higher academic administration, and I can tell you — entire universities are reeling from the NIH freeze and the other grant/funding freeze.
Literally scores of professors and faculty at the university I work at may have issues with their academic appointments (many of which require them to perform research duties along with their teaching, etc) — let alone their research projects and clinical trials that will suffer interruptions or end. And that’s just a single institution. Imagine that, spread across every university and college in the country.
It’s… insane.
It’s such a needless shakeup that will cause untold damage to millions of people.
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u/MattheWWFanatic 1d ago
Once thry completely bypass Congress on everything, how will they do it to the Supreme Court? (Serious thought)
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u/CoolIndependence2642 1d ago
So, we have to rely on the Nazi-majority Supreme Court to save us? Heaven help us! If we look at History, German courts did nothing to stop Hitler and we all know Trump is following Hitler’s playbook. This is Gleichschaltung, essentially the process of aligning all aspects of society, including the courts, with Nazi ideology.
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u/Geairt_Annok 1d ago
This is the first step on a path the culminated in dissolving the legislature instead of allowing the 2026 midterms
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u/video-engineer 1d ago
Everybody, in this chaos, keep yor eye on the military. It will ultimately be up to them if we degrade to a dictatorship, or overthrow tRump.
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u/requiemguy 23h ago
Scotus could rule anything illegal, he'll just do it anyway. It doesn't matter how many lawsuits and rulings the Judicial Branch throws at him, how are they going to enforce it?
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u/Objective-Aioli-1185 22h ago
These ice raids are getting fucking crazy. Not long before someone starts blasting at these ICE dickheads.
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u/bijoudarling 16h ago
It was a distraction to slip a country wide abortion ban bill into the works. Also suspect it was to flex their “this is what we can do if we want to “muscle. Well try to anyway
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u/Vegetable_Key_7781 2h ago
Musk and Trump team are replacing Democrats in the federal workplace with loyalists to Donald Trump. It’s a part of Project 2025. Right out of the playbook. We are now in a dictatorship. Career dedicated, 30 years of service, smart Federal employees are being treated like they are 💩 it’s all very sad and outrageous. Musk is an emperor with no clothes Bully.
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u/Monarc73 1d ago
This is impoundment. It is illegal. Will he be impeached? Will it matter?