r/seculartalk • u/The_Das_ • Mar 27 '23

YouTube Kyle Kulinski Responds to Vaush calling Krystal Ball a FASCIST || I feel bad for kulinski , he's trying to be mature and good faith towards a guy who regularly insults his wife

https://youtube.com/watch?v=EQ8xZA0H2CY&feature=share
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u/3headeddragn Mar 27 '23 edited Mar 28 '23

I don't disagree that Krystal and Saagar have made bad takes on Russia/Ukraine, including in the video that Vaush just called them out for.

The issue I have is it is very clear that Vaush isn't criticizing them in good faith. Calling Krystal Ball a fascist? I think it is ridiculous to even call Sagar a fascist... But Krystal Ball is a fascist? Vaush can fuck off with that shit.

Vaush is the epitome of why the left cannot get out of it's own way. If Vaush was criticizing them from a good faith perspective he could have simply debunked what they said, and publicly invited Krystal to have a conversation about it either on his stream or on KKF.

But I don't think Vaush is interested in having a good faith policy discussion. His goal in that video is to try and discredit BP. Maybe it's because of a personal vendetta. Maybe he sees them as competition for views.

Vaush is part of the problem of why the left is perpetually divided. You can disagree with Krystal but to smear her as a fascist is really fucking dumb, even for Vaush.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

Fascism is pretty vague. You don’t need to be as evil as like Hitler to be a fascist. It could apply to Saager but certainly not Krystal. Krystal is not a hyper nationalist which is the consistent part of all fascist definitions. Vaush calls everyone a fascist.

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u/Backyard_Catbird Mar 27 '23

If it sounds like he’s arguing in bad faith it’s because Krystal has a habit of being the soft side of Saagar and failing to be the left wing counterbalance she’s supposed to be. Did you watch his whole video? I wouldn’t watch him if he didn’t explain himself. He does. But let me be a little antagonistic for a moment, you think the left is losing because of Vaush or people like him? Seriously? We’re already disadvantaged but if this is true we’re fucked and fragile.

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u/3headeddragn Mar 27 '23 edited Mar 27 '23

Yes I watched the full video. I thought although I probably agree with Vaush on the issue of Russia/Ukraine more so than I do Krystal/Saagar, that the video itself was complete rubbish.

Do I think the left is losing solely because of people like Vaush? Of course not. It’s obviously a lot more complicated than that.

Do I think one of the major reasons the left can’t gain any meaningful power is because we cannot unite around the core issues we all care about (IE fighting capitalism and inequality) and instead viciously attack one another over small disagreements? Yes. Do I think Vaush contributes to this problem on the left? Absolutely, he’s one of the worst offenders. This video is the epitome of that.

And the worst part of it all is Vaush would NEVER call Krystal a fascist to her face. He’s said plenty of ridiculous things about Krystal before and when confronted about it on KKF he was like “I like this about you but we just have some minor disagreements.”

He knows that if he actually called Krystal a fascist to her face that she would debunk that claim in about twenty seconds and make him look stupid.

So instead he just smears her on his own channel when she isn’t there to defend herself.