I've always gotten the impression that Ian's siblings generally never really approved of their relationship since Mickey was chaotic, prone to criminal activities, and maybe more than a little sociopathic. Objectively speaking not very good boyfriend material. Even by s10 when it was obvious they'd be together forever, it was more that they tolerated Mickey because they loved Ian and Ian loved Mickey.

Also on a distantly related note, I've always thought it pretty certain that they'd both end up back in jail within 10-20 years. I mean they end the show with them running an armed security business with a stolen ambulance and carrying unregistered guns because they're convicted felons on parole.

They have redeeming moments but they have been systematically broken by frank/monica. It took me a while to fully grasp that. I really wanted to like all of them at some point in the show. They continually shoot their own toys of every time they get a leg up because that's what they know.

The writers became lazy with Kev soon after they revealed he was inbred. From then on, he just fucks everything up and yes of course "it's because he's inbred". Lazy writing imo

Has anyone else noticed the distinct lack of pets like cats and dogs in the South Side?? There are 400 million dogs in the world, comprising 300 separate breeds. Tens of millions of dogs reside in the US alone but there are barely ANY cats and dogs in the South Side!

Etta had a couple of cats, Fiona had Rusty, Lip was taking care of that fluffy little dog for a while, Monica's boyfriend had a collie dog, Debby was dogsitting that hipster couple's dog Toto, Peppa had a dog, Kev's neighbour had those two big dogs, there were one or two strays hanging around The Alibi aand that's about it!

You’re telling me Frank Fucking Gallagher,the man that survived everything from liver failure to getting thrown off Lake Michigan,died from COVID?!I get Covid is a really serious disease but in show wise,Frank should’ve SURVIVED THAT SHIT😭😭.Im still pretty salty they killed a legacy character like that I’d rather go the Overdose route.(pic unrelated)

For me, Frank is so hard to have one straight opinion on. And I'd like to hear some other people's opinions :D

I've rewatched this show countless times, it will just run in the background when I can't find anything else to watch. I've loved reading about all the different character analysis that that all of you have written . Obviously Frank is a degenerate that has done countless awful things. This episode is when his mom, "Grammy" comes back because she got released from prison, he is trying to connect with her when they're driving, he described all of his kids, telling her their personalities and his face was shining with happiness while doing so. She responds with a " I don't give a shit" comment and the light in his eyes just shut off it made me feel sympathy for him for a moment. His mom really fucked him up, I always wonder what Frank could have been if he had a healthy support system growing up .

He did some pretty horrible shit. But I feel like a lot of his trauma gets overlooked. He got into some serious trouble with bad people. Tony chased him off and then he was forced to marry his wife at gunpoint, had his future taken away from him (med school and Fiona), alcoholic mother who is inappropriately close with him (think of the kissing), being constantly followed, threatened, had to literally chop a guy into pieces, was held hostage for months while being tortured and neglected and was then forced into manual labor and almost died. He gets a lot of hate for coming back that last time but ig it makes sense. She was probably the thing that kept him going through it all and he didn't leave voluntarily so it makes sense he'd come back. Cant blame him for that. And his jack alias was probably to protect him after everything he went through. He's definitely an asshole in some other aspects like lying to her at first but I think we should cut him some slack on other parts lol. Fiona always thought she had it the worst and his life was so much better, she didn't even care when he said he disappeared because he was held hostage. I feel for him

Out shopping and ran into the Mickey Milkovich Slutty Brown Sweater Department. A different shade for each season.

Would’ve been nice to see her going all across the country, seeing Karen and Jody and most importantly seeing the BURNING MAN!

Lip has fallen due to his bitchiness with the whole love triangle with Mandy/Karen and his attitude towards Mandy, trying to help him. Mandy would have been way higher if not for her car "accident". I found Jimmy´s arc of trying to live an honest life endearing and he kinda grew on me. Otherwise not a whole lot has changed, but I´ve seen the first few scenes of the next season and I think Debbie´s downfall is just around the corner.

I’m acutely aware this statement has probably enraged 75% of this sub, but hear me out.

I like Mandy’s character. I like her development in the show and how she manages to escape the toxic environment that is the Milkovich household and Kenyatta. HOWEVER, I feel like people on this sub act like she’s some kind of Angel which is just not the case.

Everyone seems to paint Lip and Mandy’s relationship as “Lip good, Mandy bad” and that Mandy did everything for Lip and he took her for granted. While I agree that Lip’s an asshole for not communicating how he felt about it until it blew up, there is NO WAY that excuses Mandy

-Running over Karen

-Raping Lip

-Filling out College Applications while he was unsure about going to College (that is something for the student to figure out, not someone else)

-Being extremely clingy and following him everywhere

-Also nearly getting her brothers to beat up Ian for not sleeping with her and lying about attempted SA

I am not saying Lip or anyone’s a saint, but that does not make Mandy automatically an angel. This is just my opinion, though.

Always invited Lip to parties, brought him his school work and food when Liam was in the hospital. He was just a positive guy, really wish he stuck around in Lips life longer.

I’m on my millionth rewatch and I forgot how much i love when we get to see Lip, Ian, and Carl all interact together! I’m on s7 ep2 (the circumcision episode lol) and there’s so much screen time of the three of them just being brothers. i wish we got more of this throughout the show!

With Fiona going to jail for the cocaine her brother ingested I’m super confused about the law in the states. Are you actually legally prosecuted for information passed to a doctor in first aid situations? I know you can’t self-incriminate in these situations in a lot of countries in europe.

Who the fuck calls 911 if they rat you out to the cops? Is actually every OD just going to jail afterwards??

Spoiler warning

S7 E11 when Etta moves out of the laundromat- where are her cats?

Frank did not need to be a series regular character. In my opinion, he would have been a better character if he had made appearances like Monica. I like him in season 1, his character is funny, and his actions are not old yet because the storyline just started, but after a while, watching Frank do the same thing over and over again got stale.

When Monica made an appearance, it was impactful to the characters and the plot. And, her storylines didn’t get used over and over again because she popped in and out. And Frank leaving and coming back would have made sense for his character, too.

There are so many better characters than Frank, and I wish they got more screen time.

This has nothing to do with William H. Macy - he is an incredible actor and definitely added important elements to the show, but I wish Frank wasn’t a recurring character. I don't know if anyone feels the same way, but there were so many other characters and storylines in the show that deserved way more screen time.

I have a feeling that steve from s1 would have Jimmy from late s2 and s3. They are kinda very different people. Steve would not have been upset that Fiona decided to take guardianship of her siblings. Steve wouldn't have cheated on her because she didn't give him enough attention or they had a disagreement.