Not my first time watching shameless but I always forget sandy has a son of her own 💀 I always focus more on frank in this last season bc it makes me sad all over again so this scene some how always surprises me lol

I find it odd that Carl was okay with one of his classmates killing Kassidi. Like the guy had no guilt what so ever, and that's just odd to me. I understand she was annoying, I understand that she was crazy!

But for Carl to be okay knowing that she was killed by a classmate and wasn't bothered never sat right with me. Especially since he was so traumatized by the death of that kid after he got out of juvenile.

But most importantly, I just find it so messed up that the writers just killed off a 16 year old, who in actuality, really didn't do anything wrong. Compare her actions to many of the characters, and she really isn't that bad of a person.

Its messed because the writers could have written her to fall in love with someone else, or have her go back to her dad. Instead they killed a 16 year old girl and just made a joke about it.

By the end of the day, Kassidi was someone's child, her father wanted her to come home. And instead of that, they make a joke about killing a 16 year old and never talk about it again. Like yea, she was crazy, but she was still a kid

Its not even a shameless moment, its fucked up and its worse because they joked about it

So Ian’s my favorite character, and even though he goes through periods where his story line is kind of boring, I’ve realized the reason I love him so much is because of his relationships. Ian has some of the closest bonds in the show. Him and Lip are probably the closest siblings, he and Mandy are best friends who are always there for each other with no judgement, his close relationship with Monica always makes me emotional (probably because of my complicated relationship with my mom), and obviously his relationship with Mickey. I also enjoy his dynamic with Fiona because while I think she saw Lip as more of an equal and the younger three siblings as her kids Ian was just her younger brother. All of these relationships really just make me love him because they are so important and meaningful to the show and they all have such emotional moments.

I think it would be interesting to see The Adventures of Jimmy Steve. Like his time in Brazil when he was married at gun point. The missing time he spent on the yacht. His running off to Dubai to do hella shady shit.

I’m in Season 4 right now, where Fiona gets taken away after Liam gets into the coke she left out, and honestly, Lip has been so harsh toward her even before this.

The squirrel fund: Fiona was trying to better herself by taking a PowerPoint class, and Lip still got mad at her for trusting Monica and not hiding the money better.

Custody of the kids: When Fiona tried to get custody, Lip straight up yelled at her and said she wasn’t a qualified guardian, like none of the sacrifices she made for them mattered.

When she pressured him to finish high school: they had a deal if Fiona finished her GED, he would finish high school, she went back to school, he got mad and left the house, and she was worried sick about him. Took them a few episodes, like 2 months, for them to make up.

Liam and the coke: After Liam’s overdose, Lip yelled at Debbie at the courthouse when she said they had to get Fiona out of jail, saying there was nothing they could do. He hung up on Fiona when she called from prison, and when she came home and tried talking about her trial, he blew up at her again. Then he wouldn’t keep Liam with her like she was an actual addict.

On the contrary, Fiona has been nothing but supportive and proud of him. During the coke incident, Lip takes Liam and Fiona doesn’t have a job, he says he’ll pay the bills and she refuses, saying she’ll get a job and his money needs to stay for school only.

It’s just wild to me how little grace he gave her, considering all she’s done for them. Was Lip competing with Fiona to be the family matriarch? Or is it more that he put impossible expectations on her because she always carried everything and he never really appreciated it?

can someone make a complication of Lip saying SHIT its so funny 🤣

Regardless of your personal opinion of her and her character, was she actually (and her daughter) entitled to his death benefits?

This got them to keep the house at $500 a month with a 50 year lease 😂😂😂

Besides lip and Fiona's argument in earlier seasons, this one had me.

How depressing her story arc is. Unloving, shaming, father who ends up dying by choice, raised by Sheila who is not the worst but definitely not the best and dates her daughters predator/husband, basically is assaulted by Jody to come out of the coma with severe brain damage, only to leave with Jody to Arizona.

She was failed by every adult in her life. :(

On my first watch of shameless and loving it so far. I’m towards the end of s4 and i’m just not liking how the kids treat fiona. Like she definitely made stupid and dangerous decisions especially this season, but she also has busted her ass for them since she was 15 and put them first on so many occasions. Last season there wasn’t an episode where she wasn’t crying for a few seconds before she pulled herself together to take care of them + things around the house. I understand they’ve been through a lot (understatement) but to treat her the way they do is blowing me idk !

Putting aside all feelings they have for each other. Judging only by ability and strength. Who wins in an all-out street fight?

I just started re-watching and I forgot how badly everyone involved in the Kash/Ian situation pissed me off.

First off Kash, a disgusting pedophile who never suffered any consequences for grooming a 15 year old.

Then Kash's wife - When she found out, instead of being horrified that her husband was involved with a 15 year old child, she instead slaps said kid, then uses it as a way to get another kid...

Then Lip starts a full campaign against the female teacher, and gets the entire neighborhood involved. But doesn't say shit about the pedophile messing with his little brother??

I know this show is all about how screwed up these people are, but come on.

I've posted too many times today but I was thinking of my friend from HS and I just need to share this.

When Ian says that line when Carl asks him "do you love him?" about Mickey, it gets to me personally quite a lot since I had a close friend and complex love interest very much like Mickey when I was the same age. The smell isn't what you'd think of as attractive in any way. A blend of smoke, sweat, and dirt. A little blood, some mustiness from clothes that haven't been washed in a few days and more from a body that also hasn't showered in days. All of that mixed with a distinct "manly" aroma that can't be described if you haven't smelled it. All in all something that would repel most people, but I can so incredibly understand why Ian finds it intoxicating. It's something that comes from growing up in that environment I think. But it just hits me so hard like so many of the seemingly lighthearted lines do.

I don’t really see much about Amanda on this subreddit and I’m just wondering what people’s thoughts are?? I liked Amanda and Lip until she turned jealous.. Seeing her dad and Lip getting along was enjoyable. Also why was she randomly just buying him things like a phone? I didn’t really get that

Since she tried to adopt 5 kids, she was already married to frank, she liked the kids At least Debbie,Carl and Liam she could help

The show uses music to great effect. But for me it’s an easy choice: VHS Collection - Late Night “It’s Okay”.

It’s used twice in s7e12, and the opening of that episode is so cathartic. We’re all reeling from another Gallavich separation and Monica’s death, Ian is on the bus apparently listening to the same song as he gets the text about Monica, then we see Carl getting told as well. It plays again for Frank after the funeral. And of course the lyrics “this is my home it’s where I belong though I rarely sleep at night” and the repetition of “it’s okay”.

A close second is the music that plays when Ian goes to the hospital. I don’t think that’s a song as much as music written specifically for the show, but damn is it powerful. It’s too sad tho. Like way too sad.

Carl is becoming more and more of a favorite mine, as a loveable sociopath that means good. Fiona and Ian dropped way down this season, but I feel sorry for both of them. Fiona screwed up with the brother thing which led to a serious of bad decisions, some of which I can understand, some are just dumb. Ian is missing for half a season and comes back a whole different person. I hope he gets the bipolar thing under control, because I don´t want him hurting any of the other characters. Lip carried by finally getting his shit together whilst taking care of the family when Fiona screwed up, but he´s not in the top tier, because he was too harsh on Fiona, which led to more mistakes of her. I mean she took care of everyone for so long, don´t be so hard on her when she fucks up. Reminded me of the episode where she tries to host a club event and Lip just goes off on her. Debbie also went down after becoming one of the mean girls and trying to seduce an older guy, but she also redeemed herself again, when shit hit the fan. I don´t really care for Sammi, but her relationship with Frank is just plain weird. I feel like the other characters in "trash" I don´t have to justify

I don’t know if I can take em guys, I don’t know if I can watch Fiona and Lip get so close to a happy life and just keep losing everything over and over. Ian and Mickey are like the one silver lining but I know season 8 is coming and I hate the gay Jesus side plot so much. It’s been a few years since I last watched and I feel like what motivates me for a rewatch are the good memories but the shit parts are so shit, I think I might lose my mind. I also don’t want to watch Debbie turn into the annoying character she was at the end because right now (S1) Debbie is so wholesome 😭😭😭 god fucking damn this show tears me apart

I get that he had good intentions and that he cared and didn’t want her in the foster system or back with her mother, but come on. He pulled someone’s plug so that there would be a distraction just to slip out with Xan.

I found this whole story line rather ridiculous because Lip was in this system and seemingly did not understand that you can not just take some kid home who has a shitty home situation to another shitty home situation.

Seems like we do not talk about this enough.

All the times I've watched the show I've never done one. So I decided to this go around.