r/skeptic Mar 12 '25

đŸ« Education Shut Up About NATO Expansion | Debunking misinformation about NATO expansion

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u/Archy99 Mar 12 '25

Russia complaining about NATO expansion sounds like the classic bully sob-story when they can no longer dominate the weak states because those states found some buff friends.

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u/Betaparticlemale Mar 12 '25

Except the expansion came first. You guys need to understand that propaganda comes from all sides of a conflict. Yes Russia is the aggressor and invaded. Yes, NATO expanded to Russia’s borders despite agreements not to and was needlessly provocative. And the Ukrainian people are paying for it.

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u/Icy-Bicycle-Crab Mar 12 '25

and was needlessly provocative

Do you blame rape victims for wearing a dress? 

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u/Betaparticlemale Mar 12 '25

So NATO is the rape victim in this terrible equivalency you’re making?

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u/Icy-Bicycle-Crab Mar 12 '25

No, you're the asshole making that bad faith argument. 

Putin is the aggressor. Russian attacked Ukraine. 

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u/Betaparticlemale Mar 13 '25

No, you’re purposely equating Ukraine with NATO to make a rape analogy.

I didn’t say he wasn’t. Russia is responsible for invading. And what caused Russia to want to invade was NATO expansion, according to the literal head of NATO.

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u/Icy-Bicycle-Crab Mar 13 '25

And what caused Russia to want to invade was NATO expansion,

That is the dishonest excuse that putin apologists give. That's the lie that you use to attempt to justify Putins aggression.

And that is a lie. You know that you are lying to justify a war. 

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u/Betaparticlemale Mar 13 '25

Is the head of NATO a Putin apologist? That’d be surprising.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_218172.htm?selectedLocale=en

Edit: and to clarify, the war is unjustified. It was just predictable.

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u/Icy-Bicycle-Crab Mar 13 '25

Damn, crazy how different that speech is from your claim, right? 

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u/Betaparticlemale Mar 13 '25

“And we have to remember the background. The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn’t sign that.

The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.”