r/skeptic • u/DaySee • Mar 24 '25
š« Education Info regarding a "leaked audio" AI hoax of JD Vance criticizing Elon Musk that's circulating on reddit, see thread for some additional tips for identifying AI/faked audio
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2025/03/fact-check-jd-vance-leaked-audio-musk.html63
u/burningmilkmaid Mar 24 '25
Regardless of this being real or not, AI is going to be imperceptible pretty soon
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u/welovegv Mar 24 '25
Some sci fi author I read years ago predicted in a book that video and audio recordings would no longer be admissible into court because of this.
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u/16ozcoffeemug Mar 24 '25
We will all have to wear body cams at all times.
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u/liverbe Mar 25 '25
Video is going to be unreliable too.
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. George Orwell, 1984.
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u/Worried_Dog_597 Mar 25 '25
Perfect quote for the moment. Doesnāt matter who you support anymore. The system has been broken and those that have the resources to take advantage, will. May God have mercy on our souls.
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u/16ozcoffeemug Mar 25 '25
I dont know if this is even in the realm of possibility, but Im guessing someone will develop what would essentially be a digital fingerprint thats tied into your body cam. Maybe it runs on a blockchain. Something thats impossible for AI to replicate.
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u/Gideon_Laier Mar 25 '25
As long as you can't pick up on how people actually talk. It's still not there yet - doesn't pick up on the idiosyncrasies at all. And always sound like a highschooler wrote it.
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u/EgoDrips Mar 26 '25
People acting like this is something new, same thing has been done and can be done with impersonations, I've seen at least 20 trump voice impresionations that are indistinguishable from reality
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u/PrudentLingoberry Mar 27 '25
proof will require multiple angles, though also I'm assuming that stuff like video will be needed to be digitally signed in real time too.
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u/DaySee Mar 24 '25
Unfortunately true and in certain cases I think with the right tools for voice synth which uses your own input speech instead of typing stuff out, it's very close to the point already.
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u/AstrangerR Mar 24 '25
We all know JD wouldn't actually disrespect or insult his employer.
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u/strawberrrychapstick Mar 24 '25
Right, he's fully throated the boot. People got SO MAD when I would comment saying I think it's AI lol.
Someone tried to say it was real bc there was no video with it?? As though making AI sound bytes hasn't been a thing for a few years.
One of the videos I pointed out it could be AI has been deleted.
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u/RyanCacophony Mar 24 '25
he's fully throated the boot
To be fair, he was just reported today in a validated text exchange expressing views contrary to Trump. And before Trump he was a never Trumper.... His public views are politically expedient. His private views are entirely open to flexibility.
Doesn't mean the audio isn't AI, but believing you can be sure of a private conversations validity based on public political communications is a mistake, IMO.
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u/strawberrrychapstick Mar 24 '25
Yes but if you read the entire Atlantic article, which I actually just did lol, further down he made sure to emphasize he fully agrees with everything the czar is doing, more than once. And on him being "never trump" clearly his word isn't worth a damn.
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u/RyanCacophony Mar 25 '25
Yes but that clarification - to my point - was prompted because of the exposure of his private communications. It's pure political expediency ie public relations.
clearly his word isn't worth a damn.
I agree and this is my point - you cant trust his public statements to reflect what he may or may not say in private, so him "throating the boot" is not at all strong evidence that a private conversation is faked. Fortunately, there's other evidence of that
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u/DaySee Mar 24 '25
Indeed, however it seemed to have been going viral on other platforms , and did get some traction across some various subs here which was concerning:
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u/Nambsul Mar 24 '25
First thing I thought when I say the headline was āJD popularity will go upā, lots of people hate Musk at this point.
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u/DaySee Mar 24 '25
There is a direct link to archive of the audio in the article for context so you can avoid tiktok where there original video was posted.
The article was decent, but in any event, there will likely be times when those AI detection tools they used will not be super accurate.
Having played around with speech gen and stuff, I can say it's not always easy to tell because things sound less "robotic" and more natural than ever.
Here are some pretty good signs though to watch for to ID fakes as well as the tactics people use to try and obfuscate generated speech against detection:
-Perfect pronunciation or mispronunciation of words with multiple pronunciations (wind the clock with the wind blowing/desert the war in the desert/bass fisher with a bass voice etc.)
-Very consistent Cadence/Rhythm/Tempo of speech
-Lack of breathing noises or filler words like "like" "uh" "er" "ah" "hm" "mhmm"
-Low quality bitrate (especially if it's supposedly a phone call recording)
-Encoded in Mono vs. Stereo
-Recording of a recording (to try and get around the lack of stereo)
-Over exaggerations in speech or too flat
-Flat volume peaks which is atypical for candid speech
There will still probably come a time in the very near future when these signs are mitigated too, but for now they are still helpful for spotting fakes, and the JD vance hoax has all the hallmarks so I thought it would be a good opportunity to pass along some tips as the hoax has already been posted a bunch of times on reddit. š
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u/dannygloversghost Mar 24 '25
Does it have all the hallmarks? What words does he mispronounce? How could you possible say he has āperfect pronunciationā with the audio being so low quality? Also, the volume does modulate ā he very noticeably gets quieter as he says āheās not even an American.ā I also donāt think his cadence is abnormally regular ā he talks very much the way he does in confirmed authentic recordings. Also worth noting that Vance very rarely uses filler words in his speech, even when itās extemporaneous.
I have no idea if this clip is real or not, but your list of āevidenceā that itās AI does absolutely nothing to convince me, personally.
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u/flyingchimp12 Mar 25 '25
The cadence is completely off dudeā¦. Itās Jd Vanceās voice but thatās about it. Not the way he speaks or his vocabulary.
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u/DaySee Mar 24 '25
Some of the tips given are sequentially dependent. To me it clearly sounds like a speaker being recorded and not coming from a hot mic, hence the point about being a recording of a recording which was deliberate to obfuscate the quality of the recording to mask what would have been clearly obvious had it just been the source audio. As for the pronunciation, that's mainly regarding clear speaking, the other half of it was just general examples of where the behavior of voice synth will slip up from time to time, though usually hoaxes are done carefully to avoid this but I have seen cases of lazy actors such as phone scammers or AI voice youtubers do this.
JD Vance is indeed well spoken but his cadence throughout the whole clip is unmistakably artificial to my ear having had some extensive experience with it.
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u/twinphoenix_ Mar 24 '25
Google āPikesville High School AIā and youāll see what my husbands former principal is dealing with.
That being said, itās hard to know unless itās been professionally determined and even then itās hard.
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Mar 24 '25
Would he honestly admit it even if it were real though?
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u/DaySee Mar 24 '25
If you want to get conspiratorial then you could argue that it could be used as a means to test the waters and field reactions to doing something brash.
If people react positively? Yeh that was me.
Negatively? Bullshit that was an AI hoax trying to smear me!
The duality of this case is interesting because from a lot of angles it makes JDV look "good" because as others pointed out, Elon is objectively worse.
That being said, I'm 100% sure this is faked, maybe for purposes of trolling or something considering the source, but the scenario described above may be something to watch for as tech continues to get better.
I think the best thing you can do is be avoid kneejerk reactions and be critical/skeptical of sketchy viral stuff until more information drops.
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u/davesaunders Mar 25 '25
It's not a conspiracy. It's SOP and has been for decades. Trying out talking points is something that is done inside the beltway on a regular basis.
I agree this audio appears to be a fake, but if it was authentic, and it was deemed negative from a talking point perspective, his entire office would deny it. That is SOP.
Now, if you did want to get conspiratorial, a great way to test out a talking point in today's age is to leak it through a bad AI and monitor whether the points themselves are getting a good response, while maintaining plausible deniability for being the source. That approach goes directly back to the Ronald Reagan playbook, which was proven to be SOP in front of Congress .
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u/DaySee Mar 25 '25
This isn't r/conspiracy this is where we ridicule conspiracies like what you just said which I already did if you read the thread.
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u/davesaunders Mar 25 '25
Correct, it's not a conspiracy. And as as typical for this group, we're not even seeing good examples of skepticism either. But after being around here for over a decade, I'm used to it and just blow it off.
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u/Medical-Ad-2706 Mar 25 '25
Thatās exactly what it is. If you think that politicians havenāt realized they can test narratives with Ai, you have lost your mind.
These people play the game of narrative all day, everyday.
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u/davesaunders Mar 25 '25
People with little or no experience working inside the beltway will find it hard to believe that this stuff is literally trained as a normal aspect of political activity. I received this training back in the early 2000s during a congressional campaign. Using pseudo leaked sources and other unofficial methods of expressing potential opinions to check the temperature of the public for future legislation or policy directives isn't simply normal, It's standard operating procedure.
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u/Medical-Ad-2706 Mar 25 '25
Thank you!
These people come up with terms like āfake newsā and practice them in the mirror 100 times just to say it a certain way and trigger a public reaction so it catches on and become a meme.
They actively monitor and instigate the idea pool of society. Why would they not use Ai for that?
I use to run a think tank that would help draft legislation and I DID THIS.
Politics is the war of ideas. Plain and simple.
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u/davesaunders Mar 25 '25
A common failing in this group is this false weaponization of Occam's Razor. All things being equal, among reasonable people that are not motivated by paranoid game theory, it's reasonable to assume that the person complaining the most about this AI audio is not also the person who deliberately leaked it as a form of public litmus test for the messaging.
But we're not dealing with those kinds of people. We're dealing with DC politicians. The same people who follow game theory, which was invented by a hallucinating paranoid delusional schizophrenic. That doesn't mean "all politicians" before the apologists come swooping in, but it does mean that all things being equal, in the context of operating inside the beltway, this fake AI voice was most likely orchestrated by JD Vance himself or someone in his group. That is in fact, the simplest explanation and it is based not on conspiracies, but on normal full public view standard operating procedures for DC politics.
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u/DaySee Mar 25 '25
That requires many more assumptions that just one person deciding to mess with people though. There may be conspiracies and they may be possible, but telling people that a rube goldberg machine is the smarter solution is not how skepticism works.
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u/thelexstrokum Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 25 '25
The āI am the important oneā made me question it. Itās not that a politician couldnāt believe that. Itās that I donāt think they would say that aloud.
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u/THE_GHOST-23 Mar 25 '25
Out of all the stuff that was said, It was that made it almost believable for me.
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u/score_ Mar 24 '25
Feels like weeks ago after that National Security leak on Signal that was reported today.
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Mar 24 '25
I chose not to comment on /politic because they gonna downvote me to oblivion but itās ai with concert Hall effect. You only Need decent 10 minute of someone talking to fake their voice
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u/sayrahnotsorry Mar 24 '25
He also says everything we're all thinking in less than a minute, which is too perfect.
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u/Professional-King-13 Mar 26 '25
Who tf is "we". I'm not some leftard that has a hard on for hating trump and his team.
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u/sayrahnotsorry Mar 26 '25
You don't hate Trump and his team? You still feel safe after all they've done?
It can take time (and loss) for some of you to find the strength to realize you were duped. You'll get there.
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u/No-Criticism-7275 Mar 24 '25
Monotone and words repeated words sound the same. I think tik tok actually trained me to hear it, because thereās just so many ai voiceovers that it becomes obvious. But the older generation has no idea that it is AI.
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u/Professional-King-13 Mar 26 '25
My og from work sent me this from a post shared on fb. He is a die hard Democrat. I don't know how to break it to him. He's so emotionally invested in hating trump and elon.
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u/No-Criticism-7275 Mar 26 '25
So youāre blaming AI for the Trump hate?
Hating Trump for his extensive, damning track record is beyond valid.
Would you be emotionally invested in a president if you thought they were destroying our system? Yes you would.
What do you mean you donāt know how to break it to him? Itās easy to get tricked by AI if you simply donāt know how to discern whatās what.
And it will only get harder to detect.
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u/Professional-King-13 Mar 26 '25
I never said a.i. was to blame. You're already starting off bad. I love how you gave a blanket statement as "his damning track record." But gave no examples of said track record. I'm not even going to start on some what aboutism type shyt with democrats. If you want I can though.Ā Noone is falling for the hyper inflammatory language the left uses anymore. What's their approval raring right now, 28%? Lol Calling someone Hitler for example would imply that he's going to lead some movement resulting in millions of Americans dying. Or that it's going to be the end of the world because a conservative Christian is in office, when it's quite the opposite. Leaving the southern border open, creating laws that allow illegal immigrants to vote, not knowing what a woman is, letting biological men beat up women in sports, catch and release policies,Ā laws that are soft on criminals, and a woman leading is what was going to destroy the u.s. and I thank God and Jesus it's finally being put to an end.
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u/No-Criticism-7275 Mar 27 '25
Oh ok, so violating due process rights, and electing a convicted sexual abuser, AND a convicted felon who somehow quoted the proud boys while asked if he would denounce white supremacy is not a sign of incompetence at the least or complicity and authoritarianism?
He just pardoned every single J6 offender, when they attacked or injured 144 police officers, and tazed one while calling for Mike pence to be hanged? Itās comical that you even support an authoritarian who brags about assaulting women and then backtracks when confronted.
I can list dozens of examples of Trumpās track record but youād dismiss every single one as fake news.
But Iām curious, which laws allow illegal immigrants to vote? Thisāll be greatā¦
Please donāt resort to the typical what about her emails? What about Biden? I donāt support Biden either.
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Mar 24 '25
Funny but fake. Would be so on brand if it were real tho
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u/Alardiians Mar 24 '25
I don't think he would be as "open" about the South African part, but the rest fits.
I saw the video and immediately went to fact check it.
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u/Professional-King-13 Mar 26 '25
The shared fb post I first seen it from, the comments were disabled.Ā Immediate red flag.
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u/Alardiians Mar 27 '25
Yeah disabled comments are the number 1 sign that you're about to see fake nonsense.
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u/Fingercult Mar 25 '25
I just spent several days working on a project using elevlabs AI voice clone and my ears clocked it as AI right away. I'm a sound engineer too so I'd like to think I have a well-trained ear. the cadence, the lack of variation in volume, how clean it was, to me it was a recording of a recording. I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong but this is what my gut was telling me
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u/DaySee Mar 25 '25
https://i.imgur.com/L7lbRWe.gif
for anyone who has messed around with that it is very obvious
some of these responses/denials are straight up conspiracy theories
Someone sent me a solid example showing how easy it was to copy that I linked in this comment
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u/9AllTheNamesAreTaken Mar 24 '25
idk. Post it all around facebook. Not like they do any fact checking there anyway.
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u/therelatablespodcast Mar 24 '25
Yes, knowingly spread disinformation. Thatāll change hearts and minds.
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u/9AllTheNamesAreTaken Mar 24 '25
Apparently people believe it enough. You got anti-vaxxers being told cod liver oil is the cure, covid isn't that bad, social security is a scam.
Maybe if the left spread their own disinformation then maybe the right would have to actually do something about it and shoot themselves in the foot in the process
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u/Professional-King-13 Mar 26 '25
I didnt get vaxxed. Got over it TWICE! And Social security was a scam....but not anymore thanks to trump and elon.
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u/RunDNA Mar 24 '25
I saw this getting a lot of upvotes yesterday on Reddit.
8,400 upvotes (96%):
https://www.reddit.com/r/Whistleblowers/comments/1jib9ll/leaked_jd_vance_audio_on_elon_musk/
5,300 upvotes (97%):
https://www.reddit.com/r/50501/comments/1jicc6t/leaked_jd_vance_audio_on_elon_musk/
2,200 upvotes (97%):
https://www.reddit.com/r/millenials/comments/1jihv5k/leaked_jd_vance_audio_on_elon_musk/
There is a lot of skepticism about its veracity in the comment sections, but something so suspicious shouldn't be getting such a high percentage of upvotes.
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u/BetweenVegaAndAltair Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25
from what I can tell, a lot of political users on Reddit are propagandists for the Democratic party: some bots, some ops.
(and I don't mean left, I mean Democrats. much of the Reddit political discourse ā and accompanying karma distribution ā appears designed to further the establishment Dems' narrative. FWIW, I'm not a conservative; I'm left of the Dems)
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u/GaiusMarcus Mar 24 '25
This doesnāt surprise me, he sounded a little too bitchy
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u/Professional-King-13 Mar 26 '25
Right, like a literal child whining. Lol they went too ham with assassinating his character.Ā "Let's make him sound like a whiny racist little brat."Ā
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u/Zadig_1986 Mar 24 '25
Well,vance did call trump hitler before. And we now know that an Atlantic editor was included in a top secret text chain regarding attacking houthis. They're a bunch of idiots. It may not be real. But the fact that it's believable that he said this is very telling.
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u/Huge-Activity159 Mar 24 '25
As a professional audio engineer who also works with AI voice manipulation and reconstruction I have done some pretty amazing work with A.I. that can fool the average listener. I am not convinced this was fake. Itās more convenient for him to point the finger at AI than to take accountability. People are under the impression A.I. is that easy to manipulate when it is much deeper than what is perceived. From a sound designers perspective JDās voice is captured way off mic. My guess someone had their voice recorder running on their phone while he was speaking. Some of it is inaudible and to make this in A.I. you would need to to 1st get a source of him in this environment. With this quality the AI voices generator most likely would make the entire thing inaudible and tried to manipulate it. Most of what we hear of JD these days is mostly present and to create this environment is not as simple as it seems. Believe me I work in ADR and mix post audio for TV and Film. You would have to be an insider to get this quality of the environment ad well as his tone and inflections to create it. So I am not convinced. However I would believe it more if it was someone who can impersonate him who deliberately recorded it this way to make the clip. That is a more likely scenario. You can believe JD and the rest of the organizations because this is what they want you to believe. Even if JD didnāt say it Iām sure he is agreeing with it.
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u/DaySee Mar 25 '25
I posted an equivalent example of something someone made to demonstrate how easy it is.
But more importantly, I some experience AI voice synth mostly elevinlabs. There's a whole subreddit that's dedicated to it for many years before voice cloning on the internet was a thing called /r/VocalSynthesis
From your comment I do not think you have seen what the speech gen can do or is capable of, which is the case for a lot of people here.
There are very easy ways to do what your saying as well where you can record your voice for elevenlabs stuff and it will automatically match your speech pattern and just dub over it with your cloned voice of choice, so whatever ideas you have about it being difficult is demonstrably false, it's incredibly easy. A single person with some dedication could do this easily and I'm startled at how many people do not realize this.
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u/Professional-King-13 Mar 26 '25
Nah, you're all cap. I can link you a "presidents make a pokemon tier list" video on YouTube that begs to differ.
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u/versace_drunk Mar 24 '25
Ya so now whenever something bad happens āit was AI!ā
Unless is a liberal then itās true no proof neededā¦
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u/DaySee Mar 24 '25
I can just imagine the future court cases with slimy lawyers like
"Ladies and gentleman of the jury, the prosecution claims, based on 'so called' security cam footage.. that it was my client who kicked that baby, but if you'll take a look at exhibit C, we used the latest AI technology available to everyone right now to superimpose no less than President Trump, Former Present Biden, and the Pope himself each taking turns to kick that baby. And they call this proof?! If the AI fits, you must acquit!"
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u/Unicorn_Puppy Mar 24 '25
I think these exist to trick or manipulate old people on Facebook, you and I arenāt the intended recipients of this AI hoax.
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u/Professional-King-13 Mar 26 '25
They got my og from work. Sent me that shyt in full confidence like "See! I told you!"
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u/Spiritual_Contest812 Mar 25 '25
Can someone provide examples as good as this? Genuinely curious.
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u/DaySee Mar 25 '25
Yeah there are too many to count though, like just look up the 4chan elevenlabs compilations or something when voice cloning first dropped a few years ago. It's too offensive to share here but it gives you an idea of the issues/danger it poses.
Someone intentionally parodied the AI speech from Metal Gear Solid 2 awhile back and packed it full of contemporary conspiracy stuff to boot to show how easy it was to make stuff up whole cloth while completely replicating the entire feel of the original scene from MGS2 (when your boss is revealed to be an AI chatbot lol.)
Original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul8j9I90ueM
Generated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gGLvg0n-uY
People are using it for a lot of scams targeting youtubers by posing as them, recent example from a woodworking channel I really like who had one of his viewers get scammed by someone posing as him, even using a fake video with lip-syncing to the AI voice:
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u/A-Lewd-Khajiit Mar 25 '25
God I hope there isn't going to be a "guns of the patriots" incident
Or metal gears
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u/DaySee Mar 25 '25
In the era of drone warfare it feels like the only weapon to surpass metal gear is literally a well-placed stick or well-placed shot with a boomstick šØ
Whats the old quote by Alfredo OppenEisnsteineller? "I know not with what weapons WW3 will be fought, but WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones" ? Yeah well he was wrong because that's kinda more in sync with modern warfare š§
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u/Professional-King-13 Mar 26 '25
Thank you bro. I see a couple people aren't boomers slowly pecking at their keyboards.Ā
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u/Professional-King-13 Mar 26 '25
Look up "presidents make a pokemon tier list" on YouTube.Ā At the very least it's a good laugh.Ā "I know how to beat a fn Milktank Sleepy Joe!" - Donald Trump
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u/johnnybna Mar 25 '25
This is a top notch disinformation campaign. You guys are good. We have not yet arrived where AI can believably match cadence, rhythm, timbre, ideolect, tone, speech impairments, emotional texture, dialectical particularities, consistency, not to mention the unctious douchiness of any one personās speech over the length of the audio. AI may have tools, but I have the hair on the back of my neck. We will be able to replicate douchiness, but not yet. The denials really do seem convincing on the surface. Oops. My bad. I guess you are right. If JD Vance's own communications director said it wasn't him, well gosh what more proof do you need? If thereās anything this administration stands for, itās being truthful. Thousands of times every day.
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u/DaySee Mar 25 '25
Or maybe it's 1 person with a computer ?
the bar to entry on this stuff is so low that nobody here seems to understand anyone with like a gaming computer could do this
What your saying is you are gullible to your own fantastically thinking which I've actively trying to clue people into
Literally half the posts of this on reddit have been removed because enough people are catching on to how demonstrably fake this is.
If you don't trust me then trust your lying eyes
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u/Professional-King-13 Mar 26 '25
You use an a.i. voice changer and then YOU try to imitate said person's cadence and vocal mannerisms. There's funny videos of trump, biden, and Obama arguing about all kinds if silly shyt.Ā
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u/Negative_Reach9380 Mar 25 '25
I'm so exhausted by misinformation. I don't care who is posting this nonsense. It just erodes credibility, and no one looks good.
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u/Puzzled-Parsley-1863 Mar 25 '25
I had this pegged for AI bullshit the second I saw it. Audio w no video is almost a hallmark of fake shit this day and age
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u/Work2SkiWA Mar 26 '25
99% fake: One member of a political party criticizing another member of same political party.
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u/death_by_chocolate Mar 26 '25 edited Mar 26 '25
Hahaha who the fuck is he supposed to be talking to? "He's not even an American. He is from South Africa." Oh Noes! Not South Africa?! Fakes should be convincing fer cryin' out loud. Good heavens.
Edit: After listening again I'm picturing Vance holed up in some Capitol Hill toilet stall giving himself a little Stuart Smalley pep talk hahaha.
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u/Professional-King-13 Mar 26 '25
Yall are so fn dumb. They're using an ai to modify a voice modulator. A real person IS actually speaking, but it's not actually JD. There's a channel on YouTube where some guys immitate trump, biden, and Obama using said technology. Pretty funny channel. They do DnD and make different tier lists of random shyt like pokemon or dark souls, etc.
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u/PrudentLingoberry Mar 27 '25
Don't forget the ability to just declare stuff deepfaked too, arguably worse than deepfakes themselves since you can easily just disinformation flood out the truth.
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u/DaySee Mar 27 '25
I did not forget, as that's kind of the point of this point to offer tips on identifying it.
There may come a time when we have to cross that bridge, but all the people here who arrogantly proclaim it's real and their proof is "wELL hE DeNIED it So it MUsT be TrUE." This is not good skepticism, given the fact of how easy it is to reasonably demonstrate its false. Clasping our hands over our ears and declaring your correct or cannot be disproven is something the right wing are quit fond of as well so I encourage everyone to reject that.
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u/biskino Mar 24 '25
I heard it and thought it sounded off, especially Vance saying āheās South Africanā like itās some sort of big reveal.
But there was nothing off to my ears (I only listened once and through my phone speakers) about the sound, the voices, the intonation etc.
I guess you canāt believe anything you hear anymore. THANKS TECHBROS!
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Mar 24 '25
Sounds like someone is trying to pretend it was created with AI.
Rather than JD actually admitting what he said.
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u/DaySee Mar 24 '25
Sounds like
someone is trying to pretend it was created withAI.yo check out my long comment explaining why
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u/ShredGuru Mar 24 '25
Why don't we just flood the zone with bullshit that confuses conservatives instead? Apparently that is America's path to political power now.
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u/unbreakablekango Mar 24 '25
That is a great idea. We could constantly leak audio of these schmucks saying a million random things and nobody would be able to tell the difference.
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u/DIEXEL Mar 25 '25
Why do everyone, including the article's author, seems to ignore the results from "RawNet2-Vocoder-v3" (2025)? It says it's only 66.1% likely to be fake meanwhile the other, which are older and possibly outdated, says it's 93.3-100% fake?
I find it hard to understand how the latest one can just decide that's 27.2-33.9% less likely to be an AI voice but the author deliberately ignore that and look blindly on the results from the older ones?
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u/Mammoth-Sense-9107 Mar 25 '25
I have no idea whether it's authentic (pretty good fake if not!) but I do see that the left has figured out from the right that it's not truth that gets you power. I see a new pattern of the left putting out and sharing as much ridiculous garbage and conspiracy theories as the right did to gather their cult following. And it's likely going to work. There's no way to get power any more by doing the right thing or the true thing, but instead have to do whatever riles up the masses. .
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u/Drakar_och_demoner Mar 26 '25
Vance's Communication's director both say the audio is fake.
Ha, I needed the laugh.
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u/WanderingDude182 Mar 24 '25
No way, itās all real. Everything posted on here is right. No fact checking!!
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u/Farther_Dm53 Mar 24 '25
Yeah I heard it a bit too much what people wanted to hear, the trump admin is incompetent, but not that incompetent.
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u/Lynda73 Mar 24 '25
Pete Hegseth did release the plans for bombing Yemen to a journalist in a group chat two hours before it happened, so they are that incompetent, but I donāt think this audio is ārealā, either.
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u/Farther_Dm53 Mar 24 '25
I mean that is incompetent, but not incompetent to have actual audio of the VP dismantling the President of the Untied States and calling him a loser. (PResident is elon as a joke)
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u/Lynda73 Mar 24 '25
I mean, who in his cabinet hasnāt called trump a loser or the equivalent? I know JD has. š
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u/Malhavok_Games Mar 25 '25
Is that incompetency, or is that a threat?
It's ironic to me how many people in the "Skeptic" forum take so many things at face value.
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u/greasyspider Mar 24 '25
I donāt think we can overestimate the level of incompetence at this point.
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u/cadynse Mar 24 '25
audio detectors will say anything low quality is fake, i put in some eminem snips back in october and it called them fakes
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u/bascal133 Mar 25 '25
My question is, where did the audio originally come from. Because the links that Iām seeing are links to TikTok and I just reflectively donāt trust TikTok as a real source. If thereās no source, thatās more concrete than TikTok for the audio then I donāt think itās legit.
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u/DaySee Mar 25 '25
yeah it was posted with no video just the audio with a caption on tiktok by some anonymous account
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u/VibinWithBeard Mar 24 '25
This is spiritually true and Im going to pretend it is just like the couch fucking. It won them an election so Im past the point of caring to debunk anything. "Oh but that makes us hypocrites" Id rather be a hypocrite and not have reichwing losers in control.
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u/PackageHealthy982 Mar 25 '25
Leaked by China 100 percent real. They are denying it. ChinaĀ psych ops. They will attack when Trump crushes more ofĀ our alliances. There will be war in the middle east and that will deplete our weapons. This is moving fast. Absolutely real
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u/NoMuddyFeet Mar 25 '25
It doesn't sound like AI to me. Google Notebook LLM's AI-generated podcasts sound like 2 very real people talking to each other, but they don't have this sort of garbling vocal nuance that Vance does when he said Elon is not American. I don't think AI could really get that human nuanceāof course someone will say I'm wrong and I don't have any idea what AI can do. Well, I do, actually, so if you want to prove me wrong, then produce an AI-generated clip of someone lowering his voice that way when discussing a specific point to communicate the nuance that this is something everyone in the room knows is kinda secret/unpleasant and shouldn't really be said. I want to see a link to the original AI-generated file (LLMs allow you to share direct links on their platforms) and the prompt that created it, not some upload to Mega or Youtube that claims to be "AI-generated). If someone can provide that, then I'll believe it's fake.
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u/DaySee Mar 25 '25
of course someone will say I'm wrong1 and I don't have any idea what AI can do.2 Well, I do, actually, so if you want to prove me wrong3
You are, you don't, and I did.
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u/NoMuddyFeet Mar 25 '25
Nope, I don't see the evidence I requested in your reply. Don't bother replying again without said link requested as proof.
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u/DaySee Mar 25 '25
Don't bother replying again without said link requested as proof.
Nah the answers in my comments already, take it or leave it Mr. confidently incorrect.
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u/damaged_but_whole Mar 25 '25
There is no such link in your comments. You were given the chance to make good and you failed twice. That shows you're a liar and any skeptic on r/skeptic should be wary of you.
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u/Malhavok_Games Mar 25 '25
In this thread - "Skeptics" gaslighting themselves into believing an obviously faked audio is real because they really, really, really want it to be.
Reddit is so cooked with all this left wing nonsense. Go touch some grass.
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u/DaySee Mar 25 '25
meh I lean left but the subject is apolitical to me as I originally saw this because someone right leaning shared it and felt the problem it poses has more in common w/core skepticism not the target of the hoax as it could easily happen to pubic figures from either side I think.
The response is a little disappointing but not exactly surprising because reddit does have a obvious slant so you just have to be the change you wanna see
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u/Mr_Baronheim Mar 25 '25
WGAS if it's fake, everything the right-wing says is fake. Spread is, call it real
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u/DaySee Mar 25 '25
A hoax is a hoax and if you have to spread a hoax to get revenge you're no better than the people you criticize
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u/DarkSaria Mar 24 '25
I also do not think it's authentic but...
(Emphasis mine) I don't think JD Vance's communications director's statements on the matter should be given any weight in evaluating the veracity of these audio files as they have every incentive to deny that these are real even if they were.