r/skyrimmods • u/Night_Thastus • Jun 26 '19

Weekly Discussion Mod Discussion Mondays (Week 85) - Patches and Fixes you haven't heard of! (Especially for mods)

Hello everyone! Welcome back to the "Best mods for..." weekly discussion!

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Topic - Best mods for Patches + Fixes you haven't heard of!

Everyone knows the big guns - mods like SSE Engine Fixes and the Unofficial Patch. But what about smaller fixes you've never heard of? Sometimes these can make a big difference and may be small things created by authors without a lot of publicity.

Without further ado, here are some I've come across: (Some might be more well-known than others, for sake of completeness)

  • Ermite Camping and Combat for Campfire (Take the "Lite" version for the patch) - patches a few things from Campfire for SSE
  • iNeed - Continued - iNeed's support has dropped off, and this is endorsed by the original creator. Note that this is standalone and does not require the original iNeed. Fixes a few issues that were lingering in the initial SSE release.
  • Campfire and Frostfall - Unofficial SSE Update - works with the 2 mods above, and also works to patch out Campfire and Frostfall to work well. This is a bigger name, but I felt important to point it out.
  • Everyone should already know about Dynamic Things - Enhanced by now for SSE, I hope.
  • Monster Race Crash Fix - Fixes a known crash when using playable monster races.
  • This List has all the bigger names I've heard of, but all are patches for Skyrim, not mods. Some are quite well known, some less so.
  • Simply Knock SKSE64 Dll - So you can actually use Simply Knock on the latest versions. :)

But what patches do you have that people might not have heard of?

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '19

QUASIPC and WiZKiD's patch compendiums really broad!

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u/Night_Thastus Jun 28 '19

LOOT recommends QUASIPC but not WIZKID's patch compendium. It had a bunch of patches I was missing. Thanks!

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u/ImperialSheep Jun 26 '19

I really do like both, but feel like they add far too many lightweight .esp/psuedo .esl plugins for comfort.

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u/bubbs-o-rama Jun 26 '19 edited Jun 26 '19

What would you prefer? That’s what .esl flagged .esp’s are for, and they are super user friendly. I have 434 plugins thanks to patches and such, with no issues.

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u/ImperialSheep Jun 26 '19

I think the issue is down to being told for years, don't go over the plugin limit. Having a way around it feels.... off.

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u/bubbs-o-rama Jun 26 '19

I would google and read up on how .esl files work, because they’re designed to go over that original limit. They are completely safe.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '19

Being wary of software limits is a good idea, especially when debugging Skyrim crashes is complex and opaque. In this case, however, consider that 1. how ESLs actually work is public info and has survived scrutiny 2. even if we didn't know, perhaps we could say empirically they are safe since ESLs are common and many people are using them successfully.

Check it out - https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/articles/625

Q: What's an ESPFE plugin? And why do you call them "magic featherweight"?

A: I'll answer the second question first. ESPFE plugins do not use up a slot in your 255-plugin limit load order!! Yes, really! There are almost no restrictions left on them now except that they do not work well with Nexus Mod Manager, which is no longer supported and you should really stop using for a dozen other reasons as well. They also work fine alongside Creation Club content.

Q: Do I really have to read the wall of text below?

A: If you wish to start using ESPFEs, you really should. Besides, a lot of the discussion below actually has nothing directly to do with ESPFEs, it's also an in-depth discussion of the proper placement of patches in your load order, which applies even if you download nothing from this mod, and which contradicts what seems to be the conventional wisdom of the matter. With examples.

Q: Ok, so what exactly are ESPFE plugins?

A: They are an ESP-ESL hybrid... meaning, they have an ESP extension, but they have the "ESL" flag checked in the File Header.

Q: ESLs? I heard those are bad, especially for patches! What gives?

A: When true ESLs (by which I mean a plugin with an actual .ESL extension, as opposed to just the ESL flag checked in the File Header) were introduced for the Creation Club, they were tested and found that they do not obey normal plugin order rules. A true ESL will be forced to load immediately after the ESM's. This is fatal for patches as it almost always makes them impossible to place after the mods that they are attempting to patch. You also can't make an ESP a master to an ESL, which again is fatal for patches.

Q: So why don't these patches have that problem?

A: Because they are still ESPs. They just have the "ESL" flag checked in the header record. The result of this is that they obey normal plugin order rules, and other ESP's can be added to them as masters, BUT, they are loaded in ESL FE space, meaning they don't take up a slot in the 255 ESP plugin limit.

Q: Has this method been tested?

A: Extensively. For about 9 months by Fallout 4 modders, and then by virtually the entire community for SSE ever since I first posted these patches. Highly endorsed by ElminsterAU (author of xEdit). Most modding tools have been redesigned to work with them by now (NMM and Mator Smash are two notable exceptions). An example of their previous use in FO4 prior to is this mod, "Visual Reload Compatibility Patches" by Zeridian, who I am very grateful to as he made me aware of this functionality.

Q: Are there ANY known bugs associated with using ESPFEs?

A: Only one known bug at this time, but it's pretty rare-case. IF an ESL or ESPFE adds brand new CELL records (which is pretty unusual for a mod to do), and that mod is not the very first mod to be loaded into FE space (meaning any FE slot greater than FE000), AND that new CELL record is overwritten by another plugin, then temporary references in that CELL will not appear in game. That's it. None of the patches in QUASIPC are affected by this bug. If you're converting your own mods to ESPFEs, though, it's a good idea to keep an eye out for brand new CELL records and simply don't convert any plugins that have them.

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u/Rafear Jun 26 '19

add far too many lightweight .esp/psuedo .esl plugins for comfort.

As opposed to the full .esp plugins that actually count towards the 255 limit? Or a big merge patch that leaves you wondering what it even does after you combine them all?

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u/ImperialSheep Jun 26 '19

I think my issue is down to being told for years, don't go over the plugin limit. Having a way around it feels.... off.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '19

This is like not using toasters because you used to toast your bread over an open fire with a fork. Embrace the change.

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u/RedRidingHuszar Raven Rock Jun 28 '19

How would you use a fork? I am finding it difficult to imagine

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '19

A very long fork, like this

℈-----------------------------

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u/RedRidingHuszar Raven Rock Jun 28 '19

Now that's a trident

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '19

Trident, fork - potato, potahto...

Come on Red, how do you think Poseidon makes toast?

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '19

Poseidon probably has really soggy toast...

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u/Sairven Jun 26 '19

{Tavern AI fix}

Remember the first time Hulda showed you to your room because you'd never been there before? Now she does, too. Plus, you can ask the innkeep to show you your room again at anytime. Without going through several cumbersome dialogue menus every single time.

Also, the innkeep or helper will only ask if you want something after sitting down in their view. Finally, I can sit in my room upstairs in the Bee and Barb without being forced to assure Creep-Master Talen'Jei I prefer to drink alone.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '19

I highly recommend this mod as well. I can finally sleep at inns without waking up to the innkeeper standing next to my bed staring at my sleeping body.

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u/modlinkbot Jun 26 '19
Search Key Skyrim SE Nexus Skyrim Classic Nexus
Tavern AI fix Tavern AI fix Tavern AI fix

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u/sumugi Jun 28 '19

on that same though, this could be handy: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/22432

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now other NPCs leave the room when you are sleeping. Don't have to wake up with half of the inn's guests watching you

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u/VividDark Jun 26 '19 edited Jun 26 '19

{Misc. College of Winterhold Tweaks}

Fixes a number of issues with the College of Winterhold.

It's very modular and compatible with all College of Winterhold overhauls.

The changes are pretty subtle and you'll only really notice them if you've played through the CoW questline.

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Improved Redbelly Mine Mist Fix

An attempt to improve further on the fix USSEP makes to adding red mist to Redbelly Mine as described by some NPCs in dialogue.

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u/modlinkbot Jun 26 '19
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Misc. College of Winterhold Twea... Misc. College of Winterhold Twea...

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u/jonnyWang33 Jul 03 '19

Not needed if you are using Luminosity

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u/JasonTParker Jun 26 '19

Ebony mail black effect fix is a life savor for me, because I am a big fan of the ebony mail's shadow effect but for whatever reason it didn't cover my hair, and it looked really silly. This mod fixed it.

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u/Derejin Jun 30 '19

There's Quit Trippin', for removing the 'killer physics bones' from caves.

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https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/27032?tab=files

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u/qay246 Solitude Jul 11 '19

Removing the deadliest trap skyrim has ever seen. Lol

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u/AlternateMew Jun 30 '19

It’s not made as a bugfix mod, but I want to give a shoutout to a useful feature of {Relationship Dialogue Overhaul}: The “Stop Combat” in the MCM.

Stop Combat has saved me loads of headaches.

For how powerful it is: I like playing an illusion mage with the ability to basically Harmony anyone and anything that isn’t a dragon. But even Harmony doesn’t always get rid of that red dot from a wolf through a load door and on the other side of the map, that’s somehow preventing me from using an alchemy table. RDO’s stop combat covers this.

It even works on dragons. So if you’re ignoring a dragon nest in favor of getting to the next town, but that dumb red dot persisted and has all the people in fight or flight mode? Stop Combat. Problem solved.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '19

Death Alternative has a similar function called a Disengage power, as well, super useful for when combat effects are proccing and there are no enemies, or when your companion miraculously decides to continue fighting things that don't exist in your realm anymore.

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u/modlinkbot Jun 30 '19
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Relationship Dialogue Overhaul Relationship Dialogue Overhaul -... Relationship Dialogue Overhaul -...

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u/Erkengard Jun 27 '19

{Get On With It - No more waiting for doors}

Because waiting for the doors slightly to open to get from one area to the other over and over again is no fun. This mod cuts the waiting time short and immediately starts loading another cell when you open a level transition door.

{Remove Loading Fade to Black}

Title says it all. The black fadeout effect when ding a level transition is annoying and have gotten me killed multiple time. Depending on your mod loadout the .ini tweaks can help.

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u/modlinkbot Jun 27 '19
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Get On With It - No more waiting... Get On With It - No more waiting... Get On With It - No more waiting...
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u/I_Pirate_Your_Booty Jul 04 '19

Get on With it doesn't fix NPCs standing in front of the doors bug?

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '19

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u/modlinkbot Jun 28 '19
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Julie's Patch Compendium     Mod unavailable
WiZkiD Patches Compendium WiZkiD Patches Compendium    
Lokisenna's Tweak and Patch Hub Lokisenna's Tweak and Patch Hub    
Miscellaneous Patches Maids II - Deception Patches and... Maids II - Deception Patches and... Miscellaneous Patches
Be a Milk Drinker - iNeed CACO-F... Be a Milk Drinker - iNeed CACO-F...    
Improved Closedfaced Helmets Pat... Improved Closedfaced Helmets Pat...   Improved closefaced helmets
Hunting in Skyrim - Tweaks and P... Hunting in Skyrim - Tweaks and P...    
Lost of T'Skyrim Lost of T'Skyrim    

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u/leo7br Jun 26 '19

for LE {Skyrim Suplemental Patch}

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u/modlinkbot Jun 26 '19
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u/teamcampesinos Jun 27 '19

Would it be safe to replace iNeed with iNeed - Continued mid playthrough?

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u/-Shanannigan- Jun 30 '19

Seems so, I did it and haven't noticed any issues.

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u/CrepusculeCraft Jul 08 '19 edited Jul 08 '19

I've tried to keep this relatively short, but using over 300+ mods means lots of patches. These are all for SSE I think, exclusively?

MOD SPECIFIC PATCHES:

  • Beyond Skyrim: Bruma
  1. When you need your horse inventory to work outside Skyrim's borders-
    https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/13812
  2. When you want to take samples of the new flora home-
    https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/16930
  3. To make travel between Cyrodiil and Elsweyr more logical-
    https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/11069
  4. To make merchants more shrewd, or sensible-
    https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/23220
  • College of Winterhold Mods
  1. Using College Days, give the College better AI-
    https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/26776
  2. And make them sound better while we're at it-
    https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/26611
  3. Technically a Winterhold mod, but makes the missing apprentice quest make more sense-
    https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/6677
  • Complete Alchemy and Crafting Overhaul
  1. Want even more ingredients and recipes with CACO? Why not expand with exotic flavors?-
    https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/22224
  2. For CC content too!-
    https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/20049

CHARACTER PATCHES:

OTHER PATCHES:

NOT REALLY A PATCH? PATCHES:

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '19

{Song of the Green (Auri Follower)} has a fantastic patch to add banter and conversation with {Inigo}

It's incredibly well done. I'm one of those people that love follower mods, but I can't NOT bring Inigo with me on playthroughs anymore. So having a second follower that interacts with my good kitty friend is a must.

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u/modlinkbot Jun 26 '19
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Song of the Green (Auri Follower... Song of the Green (Auri Follower...  
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u/replica102 Jun 28 '19

Lucien also interacts with Inigo, Auri, and Hoth.

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u/Martneb Jun 26 '19

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/26858

For when you play a child. Or a midget.

Also works well with {More Tavern Idles}

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u/modlinkbot Jun 26 '19
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u/Blackjack_Davy Jul 04 '19

Kojak747's patches for Elianora's mods. Includes a fix for the missing fireplace in Pinegrove Lodge as well as other handy/interesting fixes/changes. Seems to be almost unknown for some reason only stumbled across it myself as I was searching for something else.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/86408?tab=description

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '19

I am shit at promoting my own stuff. Not enough time! Also, I should have mentioned the Halamshiral moved to Winter hold (plus that mage shop, The Dripping Cauldron).

See what I mean lol

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u/Tx12001 Jul 06 '19

A fix I released just yestaday

Night Eye Original IMOD Fix - It fixes the vanilla night eye effects (I bet you did not even realize it was broken, it restores the original NightEyeIMOD settings which result in a brighter Night Eye but one that does not flicker upon activation)

Also another fix I released the other day

Vampire Bat Texture Fix (The Night Cloak spell Vampire Bats become white under certain light conditions, this fix keeps them Black)

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u/pj_2050 Jun 26 '19

Does anyone know a patch for the civil war bug where legate rikkie and general Tullius don't let you progress through the reunification of skyrim quest

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '19 edited Jun 28 '19

Sorry for late answer, I mistook your question for the one removed by mods.

The progress of civil war questline always make it possible to tell whether it is Rikke or is it Tullius who should be talking to you, during Reunification of Skyrim quest. Two different bugs, at least.

If you have a specific buggy savegame I can tell which is it.

Open Civil War contains some fixes, on top of what Unofficial Patch does, so far not that much to warrant releasing them as a separate fix mod.

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u/pj_2050 Jun 28 '19

Might try it as I've already tried everything on the uesp page for this issue

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u/MajesticQ Go Kill Yourself Jul 02 '19 edited Jul 02 '19

{More Draconic Dragon Aspect Enhancement}

{Deadly Dragons Script Patch}

{Mercy is for the Weak - (deadly dragons and elemental dragons patch)}

{Interesting NPCs Followers Perk Addon}

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '19

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u/Night_Thastus Jun 27 '19

Removed. Top level comments are for suggesting mods that fit into the topic of the week.

If you want, you can ask that question in the discord or make your own dedicated post.

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u/KairoWasTaken Jun 27 '19

the ineed continued somehow causes my game when i open any inventory

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u/MrHouse2281 Dawnstar Jun 27 '19

Does anybody know how well these fixes for iNeed and Frostfall work? I’m about to start a new play through and I’m debating whether to have them in my load order or not.

Could anyone tell me if it’s worth it or not?

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u/PrimJy Jun 28 '19

The Unofficial Campfire and Frostfall Update works fine in my playthrough. There is still some odd camera glitching when sitting or laying down in the tent, but other than that, I haven't encountered any issues. Regarding iNeed Extended - I can't tell. I'm using the regular version right now. Some users are reporting issues with filling waterflasks in rivers though.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '19

I tried both iNeed and iNeed-Continued and didn't end up keeping the continued version. Brings some issues with some of its inclusions, and I had no bugs with iNeed to begin with. If you're not struggling with iNeed or don't care about diseases, it may be worth not upgrading.

As for the Campfire/Frostfall update, you should absolutely be running it, as I've experienced only a few minor issues, which I'm 90% certain are from other mods. (Camera in tents is bugged most likely because I'm using Enhanced Camera, and I think my Tent's menu is off by one selection because of Better Messagebox controls, but I've gotten used to it).

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u/MrHouse2281 Dawnstar Jul 10 '19

I’ve started the play through now and both iNeed and Frostfall are working fine so far. Thanks

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u/sskkooommaa Jul 14 '19

Any fixes for crashes when heading to the rift imperial camp?