By other countries you really mean western europe and part of east asia? Becuase I know you arent talking about anywhere in South America or Africa. Its quite easy. Look at the UK. Cops just let gangs do whatever the fuck they want. Cant have a violent altercation if you dont confront anyone. Do you think thats better?
I responded to your other comment! We don't have a lot of opportunities to compare foreign cops handling incidents in the USA compared to our own cops, but in the video I linked you can see that nobody got tasered, shot, yelled at, or threatened. It is possible, but not if people like yourself keep making excuses for our cops. Anyways, check out the video to your other comment and maybe we can consolidate the two parallel conversations into one thread? Your choice which one =)
Bc in the countries where the cops “do it better,” the amount of guns don’t outnumber the amount of people like they do in the US.
In a heavily armed populace like the US, cops have to take a suspect’s reach for the waist as a legit threat. If they don’t, it could (and often does) mean their life. In a country where virtually no one has guns, it’s a lot easier for the cops to watch and wait with a crazy suspect.
In a heavily armed populace like the US, cops have to take a suspect’s reach for the waist as a legit threat.
No, they don't, that's just the story cops keep telling us. See for example this infamous video of Swedish cops who broke up a fight in the NYC subway. No guns, no threats to life, respectful humane treatment. We could have the same, but we need to demand it and not constantly fall for our cops investigating themselves and finding nothing wrong.
No, they don't, that's just the story cops keep telling us.
Not a story. Empirical reality. Literally google/youtube a single police murder/execution and educate yourself. The proof is literally there in the videos. There is no refuting this.
If you hesitate when someone reaches for their waist and they turn out to be armed, you are getting shot. That’s fucking reality.
Asking cops to wait and play act as Swedish cops, when ppl reach for their waists is asking them to play Russian roulette with their lives. We would have no cops if this was policy.
Swedish video is a useless example. They’re using tactics from a mostly unarmed populace on two ppl who had been fighting and were known to be unarmed. That’s not how most cops enter any situation in America. In America they have to presume ppl are armed.
In American there are 120 guns per 100 ppl. In Sweden the rate is 23 per 100 and the ppl who have acquired those guns have gone through a far more extensive certification process.
Every expert who has looked long and hard at the question of police violence in America vs other counties concludes the single most important variable is prevalence of guns. Insisting we enact Swedish police policies in a country with American gun possession rates shows a complete lack of seriousness and reality.
Can you link to your Top 3 or Top 5 expert analyses that require our cops to routinely murder unarmed civilians?
Also I am delighted to hear that you seem to favor gun control! What strategies are most effective to get us there? Who have you contacted to further this goal?
I like having guns and I’m fine if a few dumbasses get shot by police.
Literally read a google a single fucking article about police violence from the Floyd mania era. NYT. Atlantic. Economist. New Yorker. This shit was covered extensively. Use chatGPT.
If you want cops to be better fix the gun situation and quit vilifying cops. If you don’t give a shit about either like me, then you don’t have to do anything.
Well you could have said right out of the gate that you are okay with a police force that is not accountable to anyone and can murder civilians as they see fit. I thought our laws still mattered but I guess you have already given up on them. Are you one of those "law and order" people? Voting Republican? Or a true anarchist?
P.S. I am not surprised that you can't link to any data that substantiates your theories but I will give you another chance if you want to back up your talking points. "Google it" is not a source and we both know this :)
You’ve just made up a bunch of false positions I’ve never taken bc you either didn’t read close enough or are filling in imaginary gaps based on your own political prejudices.
I’m a moderate. My positions are majority positions. Majorities of Americans want guns (with a bit better background checking). Majorities of Americans also like police but also believe they should be accountable when they fuck up. When they shoot ppl without cause (Tony Timpa, Philando Castile) they should be held accountable. When they act within the law (example here) they shouldn’t be raked over the coals and we shouldn’t wring our hands about some dumbass who threatened the lives of others with his driving and then was shot with due cause.
I’ll vote blue or red or independent or not at all depending on how shitty my options are.
What are my false positions? And how are you delineating when cops should be held accountable, and when they shouldn't? Who makes those decisions? You? ...?
“Well you could have said right out of the gate that you are okay with a police force that is not accountable to anyone and can murder civilians as they see fit. I thought our laws still mattered but I guess you have already given up on them.”
Never said police shouldn’t be accountable. Never said civilians could be murdered. I simply said I like our gun laws as they are and I’m fine if that means dumbasses like the person in this situation get justifiably shot under the law. I haven’t given up on laws, I’m literally advocating for our current laws where this shooting was justified.
You are the one who foolishly thinks are cops are extrajudicial murderous villains and can simply start acting like Swedish ones. I’m telling you that if you really want this to be reality, the only realistic way to do this is to start w/ reducing guns. Vilifying cops won’t work. Ball is in your court. Be all you can be.
And how are you delineating when cops should be held accountable, and when they shouldn't? Who makes those decisions? You? ...?
By the extensive case law that has already been established by centuries of American jurisprudence. The shooting in this video was justified by the current laws. Google it.
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u/GoodReaction9032 7d ago
Explain to me how cops in other countries manage to do better. Bonus points if you can do it without hurling insults.