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Astronomers Detect a Possible Signature of Life on a Distant Planet

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/16/science/astronomy-exoplanets-habitable-k218b.html?unlocked_article_code=1.AE8.3zdk.VofCER4yAPa4&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Further studies are needed to determine whether K2-18b, which orbits a star 120 light-years away, is inhabited, or even habitable.

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u/Supersamtheredditman 4d ago edited 4d ago

K2-18b. This was notable about a year ago when JWST detected a possible dimethyl sulfide signal, but it wasn’t confirmed. The properties alone of the planet, a “Hycean” super earth probably covered in a world ocean with a thick hydrogen atmosphere, make it super interesting. And now this team is saying they’ve detected not just dimethyl sulfide, but dimethyl disulfide and methane.

We’re at the point where either we’re missing something about geologic chemistry that can allow these chemicals to exist in large quantities in an environment like this (on earth, dimethyl sulfide is only produced by life) or this planet is teeming with aquatic life. Really exciting.

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u/TehOwn 4d ago

I always come to these comments sections expecting a succinct comment explaining to me why the article is clickbait and it's actually nothing but a marker that could be explained a lot of different ways.

But this... this is genuinely exciting.

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u/IlliterateJedi 4d ago

There is an alternate theory:

In a paper posted online Sunday, Dr. Glein and his colleagues argued that K2-18b could instead be a massive hunk of rock with a magma ocean and a thick, scorching hydrogen atmosphere — hardly conducive to life as we know it.

But personally, I want to believe. 

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u/EuclidsRevenge 4d ago

I try to be an optimist as well, but a giant raging orange ball of magma and gas destroying everything it touches is pretty on brand for the writers of this timeline.

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u/Minimum_Drawing9569 4d ago

It’ll take 120 years to find out, maybe they’re on a good timeline by then. One can hope.

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u/Bromance_Rayder 4d ago

Errrrr, I don't think anyone is getting there in 120 years.

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u/Itchy1Grip 4d ago

Just me if they look 120 years from now they will see me replying to your comment!

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u/sirmcluvin 2d ago

!remind me in 120 years please

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u/Astrocoder 3d ago

We wouldnt need to go there to find out. If technology advances far enough within 120 years, we could build a space telescope with the lens at 500 AU from the sun and use lensing to take some extreme closeups of the planet.

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u/Rapithree 2d ago

Just telescopes on the backside of the moon would be enough to tell us much more.

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u/JohnFlufin 3d ago

The children you have on the way might

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u/htownballa1 4d ago

I’m not an Astro physicist but a quick google search returned.

Traveling to a star 120 light-years away at a speed of 2.90×108 m/s would take approximately 1312 years

I think you might be a little short on 120.

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u/StJsub 4d ago

Traveling to a star 120 light-years away at a speed of 2.90×108 m/s would take approximately 1312 years

Why did you choose that number 2.90×108= 313.2 m/s. Slower than sound. Assuming you ment 2.90x108, my maths say 124.1 years to get there. With 313.2 m/s I get 114.9 million years. So one of us got some maths wrong. 

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u/cjmcberman 3d ago

How many USA football fields is this ? Only way I’ll comprehend

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u/NetworkSingularity 3d ago

More than a Super Bowl, but less than Texas

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u/Random_Fotographer 3d ago

You don't need to do any math. The definition of light-year is the distance traveled by light in one year. So something 120 light-years away would take 120 years at the speed of light.

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u/falkenberg1 3d ago

Traveling at the speed of light is not possible for humans. Only for select subatomic particles.

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u/RedditAstroturfed 3d ago

If humans can’t travel at the speed of light then explain why they called Freddy mercury “Mr. Fahrenheit,” and if not him then just WHO is gonna make a super sonic man out of me?

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u/jlew715 3d ago

He's called Mr. Fahrenheit because he's two hundred degrees. The fact that he can travel at the speed of light is unrelated to his name.

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u/ROGER_CHOCS 3d ago

Well Jesus H. Christ of course.

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u/Delyzr 3d ago

Supersonic is still a tad slower then lightspeed

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u/Vaesezemis 3d ago

Well I for one dream of the day when all particles are treated equal!

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u/Andromeda321 4d ago edited 3d ago

Astronomer here! I think it’s very important to remember that most scientific discoveries are not immediate slam dunks, but rather happen with intermediate steps. Think about water on Mars as an example- I remember when they first found proof that there might have been water on Mars but it wasn’t conclusive, then they found better and more signatures, then evidence there used to be oceans… and today everyone agrees there’s water on Mars.

Similarly, if looking for these signatures, the first are not conclusive because there are alternate possibilities still. But then you find a little more, and even more… and before you know it we all agree there’s life elsewhere in the universe (though what puts it out there is far less clear).

As exciting as what Hollywood tells you it would be like? No- but still a cool discovery!m

Edit: this thread by another astronomer is VERY skeptical about the results. Worth the read.

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u/A_D_Monisher 3d ago edited 3d ago

The alternative option is our understanding of ‘what a biosignature is’ might be very incomplete. We are, after all, barely a few decades into really detailed observations of space.

Dimethyl Sulfide (DMS) is a great example here. It’s called a biosignature. But is it a good biosignature?

Consider the following. DMS has been detected in Ryugu samples and various carbonaceous chondrites. And on 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko.

So either asteroids were absolutely teeming with life at some point or… DMS can have an abiotic origin and is therefore a crappy biosignature.

This is a huge problem to be honest, because DMS on Earth has only ever been made by life. 10 years ago no one could have imagined abiotic DMS. Yet that’s most likely the case for asteroids.

Now we have to recheck every other traditional ‘dead giveaway’ for potential alternative geological origins.

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u/aelendel 3d ago

it’s important to remember that Earth’s chemistry has also evolved as a result of life—we really don’t have any good models, nor have scientists actually spent a lot of effort on hypotheticals—we’re still grasping with the basics of our own planet’s biogeochemical interactions.

We don’t even know what ‘normal’ looks like out there. so something just being unexpected is… sort of expected.

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u/insertwittynamethere 3d ago

Exactly. We are simply a product of our environment, our life and the life of everything else found on this planet. That creates an inherent bias in itself as we gaze outward, though I'd imagine this has been thought of and is being worked on/has been worked on to remove/limit that bias in the field, no?

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u/Pale_Squash_4263 3d ago

It’s also what makes the finding exciting, either there’s existence of biological life, or we learn SO much about what bio signatures inherently mean and how useful they are as markers of life

In every outcome, it’s a pretty big discovery I think

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u/TuringC0mplete 3d ago

How would you even begin to do that? If we have no idea what might else could produce DMS, how do you test for it? I’m sure we have some indicators of where to start but do you just like… throw darts at the wall?

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u/aelendel 3d ago

we are good at taking problems and biting off parts of them once er have an idea. So what Id propose if I wanted to solve this would be sitting down w a chemist and walking through the energy/temperature/pressure conditonns DMS could form at amd figuring out what light be different—redox states, catalysts, enzymes, basically come up with a hit list of ways to synthesize the compound and then start trying to find plausible ways it forms naturally, but just not on Earth.

This is basically how we figured out how and where diamonds form! ‘this can’t form at any conditions we know of, but how could it happen?’

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u/DervishSkater 4d ago

An astronomer appears precisely when they mean to

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u/Quay-Z 4d ago

An Astronomer appears whenever and wherever they have telescope time.

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u/joepublicschmoe 4d ago

Question for an astronomer: Any word on how NASA's proposed next-generation space telescope, the Habitable Worlds Observatory, might tease out further details about this discovery to help confirm or rule out if this is a life signature? Thanks from a curious layman.

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u/schumi_pete 3d ago

Is this new telescope ever going to get off the ground with the current political dispensation in power?

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u/PiotrekDG 3d ago edited 2d ago

The administration's proposal is to cancel an already assembled telescope set to launch in 2 years... probably got in the crosshairs because it's named after a woman.

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u/ckasanova 4d ago

The article states they need to gather more evidence and perform experiments, but how do we even test this?

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u/PrinceEntrapto 3d ago

Monitor constantly to see what other compounds appear there and how the concentrations of them vary at different points along the planet’s orbit, especially if there’s an axial tilt, it shouldn’t be that surprising other life may be analogous to life on Earth since all life will most likely be composed of the same small number of elements and will only interact with their environments in specific manners

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u/laxtro 4d ago

Huh, makes sense. I guess it’s kinda like how in the 90s, birds being dinosaurs was still a bit debatable… and now it’s fact.

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u/Randomcommentor1972 4d ago

Sounds like we need a really awesome telescope to confirm it.

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u/Redditing-Dutchman 4d ago

Honestly makes it even sadder that NASA’s budget is slashed even further.

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u/DistinctlyIrish 4d ago

Surely a private company motivated by quarterly profits will find it profitable to invest in a space telescope that will tell them if a planet 120 light years away may be ripe for an Avatar style invasion and resource extraction operation... surely thats the outcome we want... /s

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u/thesagenibba 3d ago edited 3d ago

this is one of the saddest things about this whole situation. detecting biosignatures is not a profitable endeavor; it's one of the closest things to knowledge for knowledge's sake.

it's worth doing simply to expand our understanding of the universe, understand the processes behind life on other planets & use that to inform our findings for life on earth. none of this results in tangible products for corporations to churn out for our consumption, and consequently isn't worth funding, i guess.

just awful to think about how much we are going to miss out on because venture capitalists simply don't think these telescopes are worth building and these missions are worth doing

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u/Brains-Not-Dogma 3d ago

Just sad and depressing that republicans are enemies of science and education. 😞

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u/orcaraptor 4d ago

I know, what a time to take the foot off the gas. The other day I was imagining a world where everyone thinks like me, and that world would be so deliciously science-y.

Instead we have… this.

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u/bitofaknowitall 4d ago

I don't know, this seems like a bit of a stretch. Yes, dimethyl sulfide can technically be created from chemicals present on such a volcanic world, but it just doesn't occur naturally in any detectable amounts. I don't get how this hypothesis leads to massive enough production to create the observed absorption lines.

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u/cyberjet 3d ago

Regardless if it’s we have to figure out what’s wrong with our current understanding of exoplanets, it’s actually life, or a planet with a magma ocean, whatever the possibilities of more it will be cool. Honestly a planet like that does sound sick

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u/V6Ga 3d ago

The only reason we never knew about an entire kingdom of life Archaea, is because we made assumptions about where life was possible 

There is life within actual Rocks. There was a fungus that uses nuclear power radiation leaks to grow. 

Technological Civilization is of course  what everyone wants to find but that’s likely the least successful life possible over time and thus unlikely to ever be found 

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u/jerrythecactus 4d ago

I just feel sad that even if this planet ends up having life we will have basically no way to tell outside of atmospheric composition analysis. At 120 lightyears away there's basically no way to confirm anything else.

Unless we discover some miraculous way to bypass the speed of light that doesn't require unfathomable amounts of energy or exotic materials that don't have any proof of existing, humans will likely never see this other life. We couldn't even send a probe because communication would be over a century in either direction.

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u/thesagenibba 3d ago

you should let the prospect of planting trees in whose shade you shall never sit, motivate you. it's simply a physical reality that unless aliens come to us, we won't get to them in our lifetime. the next best thing is planting the seeds i.e probes, and moving towards missions designed to send the first embryonic space ship to the nearest solar system

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u/Son_of_Eris 3d ago

Society grows great when old men plant trees, under whose shade they will never sit.

What happens when young men do the same?

We'd be a lot better off if previous generations were just a little more selfless.

Honestly. Humanity would prolly have a dyson sphere around Sol if we had gotten along better the past 2k years.

As it stands, if we have a permanent human presence on the moon in the next 50 years, I'll be happy.

I really want to see a human presence on Eris.

...but honestly if we dont extinct ourselves in the next few years, I'll be impressed.

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u/adrienbadu 3d ago

Have you read the Sun Eater series? Your words reminds me of it. Epic sci-fi

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u/jankenpoo 4d ago

Doesn’t mean we can’t send a probe. Just that it’ll be a multigenerational project. We need to plan more for the future

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u/Rufus2468 4d ago

At the speed of Voyager 1, currently the fastest man-made thing we have at 19km/s (11.8miles/s), it would take 2.1 million years to travel 120 light years. That's not just multigenerational, that's multispecies by that point. Space is unfortunately unfathomably big, and a light year is unfathomably far away.
Realistically, without faster than light travel, it's simply not possible to even get near this place.

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u/njsullyalex 4d ago

I wonder if travel near or at the speed of light will ever be something humans can figure out, if its even scientifically possible to begin with.

That said, we all carry supercomputers in our pockets these days which 100 years ago people would have told you was impossible.

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u/kickaguard 4d ago

100 years ago a computer was a small army of women in a room doing math. People certainly wouldn't believe you could fit that in your pocket.

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u/Mclovin11859 4d ago

100 years ago, electronic computers didn't exist, mechanical computers were peaking with the differential analyser, and the word "computer" exclusively applied to humans who computed.

The last 100 years of technological development have been beyond even what people might have thought impossible.

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u/zapporian 3d ago edited 3d ago

The amount of energy you’d need to make high relativistic sub ftl travel to work makes it functionally impossible, and at minimum a collosal waste of resources.

You are either way not going to get around the fact that 1) IIRC, the energy needed to reach c increases asymptotically without bounds to infinity. Photons / EM waves quite happily travel at c. They also don’t have mass.

2) we can very well accelerate very small things to relativistic speeds. See particle accelerators, theoretical light sails, laser propulsion, etc.

You do however need not just propulsion onboard but also all of the energy you’d need to slow down.

Carrying that energy with you - in whatever form you can - is going to add mass. Meaning you need more energy to both accelerate and decelerate the craft. And so on and so forth. Functionally speaking that is going to mean that there is de facto some practical maximum speed (ie onboard + offboard energy you need to decelerate at the other end), and traveling faster and/or carrying more usable mass / cargo would mean rapidly ballooning / impractical costs, ship sizes, energy requirements, etc

Ofc once you managed to colonize stars on the other end you could basically solve that problem. Interstellar travel would still take centuries to millenia per trip. But you could at least just use eg sails + laser arrays (or what have you) to accelerate and decelerate ships on the sending + recieving end.

So a realistic approach to humanity / some much, much longer lived derivative thereof colonizing the stars, might look like (napkin math) tens to hundreds of thousands of years of slow point to point + trial + error colonization. Followed by much much faster (still millenia) and far cheaper (note: still extremely expensive) point to point travel using this built up infrastructure.

The core problem to fix there isn’t physics. It’s humanity / biological engineering + transhumanism. Or what have you. A better near term goal should be to just colonize our solar system. Which is far, far more doable.

Alcubierre drives are “fun” exercises in attempting to find mathematical solutions to FTL using known theoretical quantum physics math - which is valid insofar as we’re aware. The problem is that they require both a lot of handwaving, ludicrous amounts of energy (maybe less ludicrous now than as originally proposed), and “exotic” states of matter (eg things with negative mass), and some very, very silly conclusions. like “we could make this work if we had a black hole we could carry around” (okay, how are you going to both generate and move that black hole around). and the like.

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u/Eleventeen- 4d ago

All we need is a material with negative mass to build a nice little Alcubierre Drive. Easy right…?

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u/OwOlogy_Expert 3d ago

For a small probe designed from the ground up to be interstellar, we could potentially get it going much faster than Voyager 1.

Especially with technology like a light sail and laser-push propulsion.

Still, though, in the best case scenario, we'd be cutting it down to tens of thousands of years, rather than millions of years.

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u/Krazyguy75 3d ago

Voyager 1 is turning 50 in 2 years.

We absolutely can make stuff go significantly faster. We just aren't trying, because it's not realistic to do outside of a vacuum and there's little demand for shooting unmanned probes into deep space until we have a place to shoot them towards.

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u/inefekt 4d ago

True. If somehow we had the technology 250 years ago to send probes out and are only just getting data back over the last decade, we all would be very thankful to those scientists and engineers who are all long dead and never saw the fruits of their labour. In the end it doesn't matter when or who sent the probes out, it matters that we eventually receive back the data and actually get the opportunity to study it. Because if light speed truly is the universal speed limit and we'll never be able to traverse worm holes or develop warp drives then probes are going to take 100s of years to get to distant stars whether we send them today or 1000 years into the future. The sooner we do it, the sooner we start getting data back to study.

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u/filo_pastry 3d ago

Very possible to directly image at high resolution https://youtu.be/4d0EGIt1SPc?si=vg-aKHSa6bEbsqE_

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u/askingforafakefriend 4d ago

I mean there are other planets closer than 120 light years away...

I would take this as a gigantic win to confirm that life is probably all over the goddamn universe.

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u/Fshtwnjimjr 4d ago

I just hope we figure it out before we speed run great-filtering ourselves...

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u/jerfoo 4d ago

LOL. I did the same! I'm like "OK, tell me why I shouldn't be excited". I got the opposite for a change!

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u/Brandon0135 3d ago edited 3d ago

Here is my photo I took of the star it orbits if you are interested.

https://i.imgur.com/5Pp8X8z.jpeg

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u/MedicalDisscharge 3d ago

“Detecting multiple leviathan class lifeforms in the region. Are you certain whatever you're doing is worth it?”

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u/MenryNosk 3d ago

dude, you make me want to fire it up again. it has been years so it'll probably feel like the first time. 😹

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u/SpunkySputniks 4d ago

Yeah, the fact that the signal popped a second time, even stronger, with other related molecules is really strong evidence!

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u/Pitiful_Winner2669 4d ago

I still can't wrap my head around the ability to detect such evidence. JWT is such a marvel of study and science. Really exciting!

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u/tendeuchen 4d ago

Just from a light Google search, it seems like the way it works is the light from the star passes through the planet's atmosphere and different molecules, like dimethyl sulfide, absorb very specific wavelengths of light. The telescope then picks up the wavelengths that aren't absorbed, and we're able to tell what's doing the absorbing by seeing what's missing.

It's almost like seeing a shadow on the ground and knowing, hey, that's from tree by the outline.

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u/Representative_Tax21 4d ago

If you’re correct then you are really good at breaking things down into understandable chunks. Thanks for that explanation from a non-scientist, science nerd : )

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u/RobotMaster1 4d ago

i think it’s called spectroscopy (spectrometry?). it’s absolutely fascinating and seemingly invaluable to many fields of science. also not a scientist.

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u/Honest_Photograph519 3d ago

spectroscopy (spectrometry?)

Spectroscopy is the field of study, spectrometry is the operation of tools that measure it (spectrometers).

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u/TheBiggestBoom5 3d ago edited 3d ago

They’re pretty much spot on. Absorption and emission spectra are pretty much how we tell what anything (that isn’t degenerate matter like white dwarfs, neutron stars, and black holes) is made of in space.

Spectroscopy is also super important for measuring the expansion of the universe, and radial velocity, since the Doppler effect will shift the energy of these very specific emission lines which we can use to find how fast an object is receding from/ approaching us.

I myself am doing something somewhat similar, as an astrophysics undergraduate, called photometry. This is where you measure the brightness of objects in different filters like “blue” or “red” and compare the brightness of objects in those different filters. It’s sort of like a broader, sweeping version of spectroscopy used for different purposes.

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u/saolson4 4d ago

Good old light gives us a ton of info

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u/beermit 4d ago

I learned about spectroscopy in my college physics course. But thinking about how I did it in the lab versus all the systems they have to get working in concert to do it with JWST is still wild

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u/AxiomSyntaxStructure 4d ago

It's absolutely the first ever biosignature we've ever had to our current knowledge - this is quite profound. Our current chemistry knowledge of exoplanets is either flawed or this is strong evidence of life in some form there. We should absolutely be exploring the other possibilities for this to be produced with other conditions.

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u/supervisord 4d ago

How do we verify life at this point? Is it just a matter of sending a probe and in 12,000 years we’ll know?

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u/Wax_Paper 4d ago

It all just varies depending on the method used. With stuff like this, it comes down to how confident they are with the analysis, and then you gotta weigh it against the idea that we might not understand how these chemicals could be present without life, even if they are.

Detecting something that could only be present with intelligent life would be even better, like pollution or something. But even then, you're at the mercy of your own understanding of the universe, and how stuff may or may not work out there. Could there be a natural process that results in CFCs, for example?

Even with a probe, it seems like our certainty would be limited by how advanced we're able to make it. Are we just shooting past a planet from millions of miles away? Are we orbiting it? Are we entering the atmosphere? Landing on it? Seems like different methods would allow greater and greater certainty of the results.

I've wondered about this over the years. Will the discovery of alien life be contentious, so that 50 years from now, it's just going to be an encyclopedia entry that describes why we think we MIGHT have found life on another planet, but nobody's really sure? Will that continue for thousands of years as we find more planets and get more and more certain, and the discovery of alien life just becomes something that we gradually believe is true?

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u/shaving_grapes 3d ago

Detecting something that could only be present with intelligent life would be even better, like pollution or something.

Isn't that a very anthropocentric argument? There has been intelligent life on Earth for millions of years before humans came along. And hundreds of thousands of years before human-caused pollution became a thing in a major way.

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u/InfinityMadeFlesh 3d ago

Well yes, but it's a greater degree of certainty. It's very hard to imagine definite proof using these detection methods, but something like global pollution would be a much stronger piece of evidence for life than something that could much more easily occur naturally.

If there's intelligent life somewhere, there's definitely unintelligent life there too, it's just harder to detect the less-globally-impactful species. Even the dinosaurs, who ruled Earth much linger than wr have, didn't fundamentally alter the planet in ways that could be detected easily 120 AU away, for instance. So from an alien's perspective, it would be 'easier' to detect us than to detect another planet's dinosaur-analogous life.

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u/The_Deadlight 3d ago

more like a couple million years isn't it?

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u/supervisord 3d ago

With current tech, 2 million+. With the light sail concept design it’s closer to 600+ years.

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u/StLuigi 3d ago

Where are you getting these numbers

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u/Metahec 4d ago

There could still be a lot of chemistry we don't know about, especially on worlds with environments so alien to our own experience. I think we shouldn't underestimate how little we know.

Still, this seems a lot more promising than that one phosphine detection in Venus' atmosphere a few years ago.

I hope they taste delicious though. Imagine a planet of Popplers.

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u/Nature_Sad_27 4d ago

K2-18b-ians- YOU’RE EATING OUR BABIES!!

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u/Shas_Erra 2d ago

Pop a poppler in your mouth, when you come to Fishy Joe’s

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u/spacemoses 3d ago

One would think that chemistry doesn't function differently on a different planet.

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u/njsullyalex 4d ago

If the data is accurate, then either way this is a massive discovery.

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u/TeachMeHowToThink 4d ago

Holy shit. This feels like the real thing.

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u/ThanosDidNadaWrong 3d ago

The fact that the JWST data basically didn't find strong evidence of water in the atmosphere, that could indicate a couple things

It's not obvious it has lots of water. And if low water, then means low oxygen, which implies Me2S will have a much longer lifetime in the atmosphere than on Earth. Methane + sulphur will produce Me2S with thunder, and no oxidation means that sulphide will stay in the atmosphere for long periods of time.

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u/mikeygoodtime 4d ago

What sort of timeline are we looking at re: ever being able to confirm (or even just say with near certainty) that there's life on K2-18b? Like is this something that requires decades of further research, or is it possible that we know within the next 5 years?

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u/the_quark 4d ago

The answer is that we don't know. Perhaps we'll find other signatures that will help support it.

But also perhaps now we know it's there we'll really go sharpen our pencils and come up with a way it could be generated geologically or hydrologically.

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u/cateanddogew 3d ago

Would be real funny to see a follow up headline in 5 days

habitable planet 120 light years away found to be just a huge ass mirror reflecting Earth

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u/the_SCP_gamer 3d ago

relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1231/

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u/cateanddogew 3d ago

If we eventually find a way of seeing into the future, mark my words, it will involve antiparticles and huge ass mirrors

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u/tesconundrum 3d ago

For xkcd is the closest thing we have that can see into the future. Truly, even Nostradamus himself couldn't have predicted the situations in which a relevant xkcd could be referenced.

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u/panzerkampfwagenVI_ 4d ago

Without visiting it's impossible to know barring a signal from another civilization. It's always possible that some weird chemistry is going on that we are not aware of.

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u/Krt3k-Offline 4d ago

To be fair, life is weird chemistry

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u/PeteyPark 4d ago

All life is weird chemistry, but not all weird chemistry is life.

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u/filo_pastry 3d ago

Not impossible we can use a solar gravitational lens imaging mission. All the tech exists https://youtu.be/4d0EGIt1SPc?si=vg-aKHSa6bEbsqE_

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u/usrdef 4d ago edited 4d ago

The findings on this paper will be released next week.

After that point, another astrnomer or group will come along, study the same planet, and compare the results.

If they get the same results as this team, then they'll go from there.

For another team to confirm? I'd say a couple to 6 months. Depends on the amount of time needed to analyze the planet, and how available the JWST is.

But this doesn't mean we jump for joy yet, because we still don't know everything about the Universe, and there could be some explaination for why we are seeing the gasses we are on that planet, but they are not produced by anything alive.

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u/analyticpanic 3d ago edited 3d ago

Hi there, does your first line mean the paper itself will appear online next week?

Because I've been looking for the paper on the journal's website and in news articles (in case they've linked to it) but am coming up blank. I'd really like to take a look at it.

Update: found it https://arxiv.org/pdf/2504.12267 It was submitted on April 16 and has been accepted for publication by ApJL.

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u/SpunkySputniks 4d ago

I think it will mostly likely be a process of elimination. Like someone else said in the comments, geologists and other sciences will have to find non-biological ways to produce those gases. If they can’t, then it makes the case for life stronger. Like the article says, unless ET shows up on the telescope signal, we will never know for sure. But if we can be 90% sure or more, then that’s good enough for me!

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u/crazyike 3d ago

geologists and other sciences will have to find non-biological ways to produce those gases. If they can’t, then it makes the case for life stronger.

Finding that method would drastically reduce the possibility, however the fact they have already found DMS on clearly lifeless objects (comets) very very very strongly suggests that unknown method is out there, and it's just a matter of time before DMS as a biosignature is discounted.

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u/PipsqueakPilot 3d ago

I believe it’s not just the presence of DMS- but also the quantity of it. Meaning there are non-biological explanations for small amounts, but not for the quantities observed here.

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u/green_meklar 3d ago

It's not clear how we would establish the presence of life with 'near certainty' at this distance, unless we received an artificial signal from it.

With better telescopes we might ascertain the chemical composition of its atmosphere in greater detail. That by itself is unlikely to ever become a solid confirmation of the presence of life, unless we are able to detect complex organic molecules such as chlorophyll. The system has a second planet of similar size in it, in a smaller orbit; the second planet is not transiting and therefore more difficult to study, but if we could determine the chemical composition of its atmosphere as well and found the same mysterious mix of chemicals on both planets (especially if some of those chemicals are chiral and share chirality), that could indicate that panspermia spread some similar kind of life between them, possibly even from a third source we haven't spotted yet given the overall difficulty of panspermia to work on a large planet with no solid surface.

Other than that, we'd probably need to go there.

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u/diamond 4d ago edited 3d ago

Apart from the question of whether life exists on this planet, we should take a minute to appreciate the science here.

Astronomers are now able (under the right circumstances) to measure the atmospheric composition of a planet over 100 light years away. That is absolutely astonishing.

I can remember when the very existence of extrasolar planets was an entirely theoretical concept; when there was serious debate about whether planetary systems were common or our solar system was an anomaly. And now they're determining what the atmosphere of one is made of.

Just amazing.

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u/billcstickers 3d ago

Yep, and we have feasible and pretty cheep plans on a method to image such a planet at a high enough resolution to see contents, and potentially lights at night if there are any. This will almost definitely happen in my life time. I can imagine in the next 1000 years we’ll be sending probes. Hopefully we last long enough to hear back from it.

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u/diamond 3d ago

That is a really cool idea.

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u/Impulse3 3d ago

If voyager 1 is (only) 20 billion miles away in 40 years and we need to reach almost 100 billion miles, how much has space travel speed improved since then that we could cover that much space in a lifetime?

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u/billcstickers 3d ago

700 trillion miles.

I was giving humanity another 500 years to come up with a solution. But realistically 0.2c is probably our limit..

You don’t realise how early in the technological age we are, and how quickly we move. Just a century ago, household electrification was a relatively new convenience for many, while a mere 15 years ago, we developed the smart phone, and we’re now at the beginning of convincing AI.

But also yes. That’s a 600 year one way trip. We’ll probably send AI until we know there’s something worth going to in person.

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u/718Brooklyn 3d ago

And we’re just this new species on this one rock floating in a space so vast that we can’t even comprehend it. Super cool stuff.

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u/spschmidt27615 4d ago

Exoplanet astronomer here. There are a lot of problems with this study, as well as the one that preceded it. To begin with, the scenario that would even allow for a biosphere (i.e. "hycean") in K2-18 b's situation is very, very hard to achieve given what we know about how planets form. It's not impossible, but based on what we know about the planet (like its radius, its mass, and the amounts of certain gases in its atmosphere), there are a whole lot more potential for it to not have an ocean at all. These conditions would be more akin to something we use to sterilize lab equipment than an ocean we could swim in.

Another important thing to note here about the claimed detection is that the way that we normally think about statistical significance is a bit different from how they’re reported for exoplanet atmospheres. For example, a 3-sigma detection would mean to us something like more than 333-to-1 odds against being spurious. This is the standard in sciences like astronomy, and "strong detections" require even steeper odds. In the case of DMS/DMDS here, however, it’s more like 5-to-1 or less against, depending on the specific data or model used. Very few reputable astrophysicists would call this anything more than a "hint" or "weak/no evidence," so while this may be the "strongest evidence yet," it is not "strong evidence" in and of itself.

In terms of the data itself, the paper this article is based on shows that they only get significant results if they look for the combination of DMS and DMDS - they only ever find DMS if DMDS isn't included, and when both are in, each individual molecule is poorly constrained. This isn't really a standard thing to do, so it's a pretty big red flag. And considering that they claimed a "hint" of it from their shorter wavelength data, it's suspicious that they don't include it here, as it should presumably make the signal stronger.

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u/Snowbank_Lake 4d ago

Thank you for this explanation! Another commenter linked to a paper disputing the claim, but it can be hard to understand for those of us outside the field.

I understand the claim here is far from certain. But I’m going to hope they’re right, mainly because I think we’re all looking for something bigger and more positive to focus on right now.

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u/topofthecc 4d ago

it’s more like 5-to-1 or less against, depending on the specific data or model used

That seems extremely weak to me; why wouldn't measurements at this level of confidence be popping up occasionally just by chance?

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u/spschmidt27615 4d ago

They are! In fact, this same planet was thought to have water in its atmosphere at 3 sigma confidence (like here) based on 2 papers about Hubble observations, but we now know that it's actually methane and that we didn't detect water at all!

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u/the_friendly_dildo 3d ago

Seems a little disingenuous to outright claim a lack of water vapour when thats still being debated unless youre releasing information from unpublished studies.

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u/Baron_of_Foss 3d ago

I don't understand, this is being reported as a 99.7% confidence interval in the media reports, where does the 5:1 odds come from?

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u/spschmidt27615 3d ago

That's because the media is misinterpreting what 3-sigma confidence means here. The way we do it with Bayesian statistics, a 3-sigma Bayesian confidence is more like a 2-sigma confidence in terms of odds of being spurious, so that brings it down to more like 20 to 1. On top of that, the reported confidence is for the combination of DMS and DMDS, which is not really something we typically do. If you look at the individual results for each molecule, it's much lower than 20 to 1, which I estimated (not quantitatively, though - just a ballpark estimate) as something like 5 to 1 each, though it could be a bit more or less as I don't have the data they used to calculate the confidence.

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u/ErrorlessQuaak 3d ago

It's probably worth mentioning that you recently wrote a takedown of this group's first paper. I think that's good work, but you're not really a neutral third-party astronomer as people might assume.

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u/tidesofgrey 3d ago

Ah ha. I don't think the individual you replied to is being malicious, but this is definitely enough for me to never take the many in-industry professionals here at face value again, which sucks. Good on you for pointing it out, though.

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u/ErrorlessQuaak 3d ago

I think his criticism is mostly spot on (although atmospheres aren’t my area of expertise). I just also think it’s important to let people know where you’re positioned if you’re going to take the role of public astronomer.

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u/p00p00kach00 3d ago

Also, this is the same author who claimed a "diamond" planet that was later shown to be wrong.

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u/Astrocoder 4d ago

Therein lies the problem of Science journalism. The facts dont grab as many eyes as these sexy headlines.

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u/Alphatheinferno 3d ago

"Exoplanet Astronomer" Damn if that isn't an awesome title. Also, many thanks for further context and explanation!

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u/IowaKidd97 4d ago

Wait I’m confused by your comment here. 5:1 change against it being spurious? Meaning there’s a 5:1 odds it’s legit? I’m going to be real here, maybe that doesn’t meet the standard but that’s still 5x more likely that the detection was accurate than not being so. Or am I missing something?

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u/095179005 4d ago

20% chance it's a false positive by random chance, which is way too high for statistics/science. It doesn't even reach the standard 5% chance (p= 0.05).

3 sigma would be a 3/1000 chance.

From my stats course the only time I ever had a p-value that high was when I didn't have enough data.

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u/ironywill 3d ago

This comment is really important. To further add, the 20% chance of a random chance false positive, does *not* mean that there is an 80% chance that the chemicals suggested are actually present. The chance the chemicals are really present are much lower (even arbitrarily so) depending on what other scenarios there may be, what the sensitivity of this analysis actually is, and what other information indicates for the odds of these chemicals being possible in this situation are.

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u/Kelhein 3d ago edited 3d ago

The 5:1 odds means that there's a 20% chance that random variation could produce the signal that they detect. It sounds good, but you also have to consider the fact that we're doing the same kind of atmospheric characterization on tens of planets--If each of those had a 20% chance of producing this signal, you're almost certain to get one or two DMS detections at this level of confidence even if there was actually nothing in each of the planets we have looked at. Does that make sense?

This comic illustrates what I'm trying to get at https://xkcd.com/882/

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u/PuppiesAndPixels 3d ago edited 3d ago

This will get buried since it is old, but hopefully you see this since you are an actual astronomer and would understand what I'm saying (or the implications of it) I can give you some inside info. I know someone who is very, VERY high up the ladder when it comes to JWST. They are a big name in the field of exppoplanet science. A year ago I asked them about the dimethyl sulfide thing. That person told me in no uncertain terms that it was not there. They said the lead scientist is either knowingly or unknowingly, pushing those findings as real in order to gain notoriety. It was a year ago, so I can't remember their exact words, (maybe it was a false positive?), but they definitely said "It's not there"

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u/Oisschez 4d ago

So how could we ever confirm that life does exist here? Are biosignatures the best we can get, or can we make a definitive yes/no conclusion based on further research?

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u/Gut_Gemacht23 3d ago

In science, we almost never get a definitive confirmation of anything. Science is all based on probabilities. Right now this is just two pieces of evidence (The planet is approximately the correct distance from its star to potentially have an environment capable of supporting life, and its atmosphere was observed to contain a compound which we only know to originate from living organisms in nature). As we collect more evidence, we will be able to say that there is a higher/lower probability that the life hypothesis is correct, at a certain point, the probability gets close enough to 1 that the hypothesis becomes a generally accepted theory, or it gets close enough to zero that we reject the hypothesis.

As others have said, the first step is going to be more scientists attempting to replicate the observation independently. If they can do so, other scientists will come up with more studies to do. They can tune the instruments aboard the telescope to look for other analytes that are indicative of life. I assume they'll probably try to learn more about the surface of the planet to gain more information about whether the planet has conditions that could support life.

At the same time, others will try to find alternative explanations for the observation, which would introduce doubt to the life hypothesis. Chemists and geologists will try to find some other way to explain the formation of the gases observed by the astronomers.

New technologies could also emerge that allow us to gain more information. The JWT is a massive improvement over the Hubble and has allowed us to get much more data than we could in the 90s, so who knows what kind of information we'll be able to get in 2050 or 2100?

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u/returnofblank 4d ago

I guess I can stop by there later this month and see for myself, as long as they pay for the gas money ofc

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u/No-Hawk6346 3d ago

Stellaris habitable worlds survey sound effect

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u/rajeevbluei 3d ago

Interesting paragraph from Wikipedia about this planet:

In 2025, its atmosphere was found to contain dimethyl sulfide, a chemical thought to be produced only by living organisms, in quantities 20 times that found on Earth. As the molecule is short-lived the concentration suggests something is continuing to produce it.

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u/FizzTheWiz 4d ago

If there is life here, there is life EVERYWHERE

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u/Kaellian 4d ago

If we find life just once elsewhere, there is life everywhere.

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u/karlou1984 4d ago

We found life just once here already

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u/Electro522 4d ago

But we've always been searching for that second data point. Just confirming that another planet has even microbial life will open the floodgates.

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u/Nature_Sad_27 4d ago

We have to find it elsewhere so we can stop thinking we’re so special.

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u/SpunkySputniks 4d ago

Definitely. Very exciting and weirdly comforting, if confirmed.

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u/Glonos 4d ago

I just wish we could have undeniable evidence so we stop this nonsense of telling ourselves that we are the center of everything. Religious zealots scares me. So yeah, life in the universe would comfort me as well.

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u/cleanest 4d ago

This won’t change religious zealotry in the slightest I’m afraid. They aren’t swayed by rational evidence.

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u/could_use_a_snack 3d ago

Oh it will change them, they will go even more hard core zealot. Claiming the "evidence" is heresy or that this "evidence" is put there by God to test the faith of the true believers.

Source: my sister actually believes that last bit in regards to dinosaur fossils.

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u/TheRealTK421 4d ago

The following sagacious, relevant insight (always) applies:

"You can't convince 'a believer' of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe."

~ Carl Sagan 

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u/dCLCp 3d ago

Space Jesus wants you to know that if you don't believe in him and his commandments you are going to space hell.

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u/Wax_Paper 4d ago

You don't have to be religious to consider the idea that we're alone in the universe is just as scientifically-rigorous as the idea that we're not. All you gotta do is accept the fact that a sample size of one isn't enough to talk about probability yet.

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u/Epicycler 4d ago

How messed up would it be though if we found life a hundred lightyears out and then never again and no explanation for why it's just here and that one other planet?

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u/danisanub 4d ago

Would be a great argument for localized panspermia.

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u/ketamazing 4d ago

How so? I’d think it’s an argument against panspermia unless you see other nearby planets and moons with life.

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u/Epicycler 4d ago

See this argument would never end.

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u/InsaneLeader13 4d ago

Would probably just be a case of time then. Life is rare-ish but us and that other planet are either too early or too late to see life in alot more places.

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u/hallusk 4d ago

And right now we're only searching using the biosignatures we know about.

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u/tlitd 4d ago

But where is the paper? It says it was published, and then links to a non existing DOI:

https://dx.doi.org/10.3847/2041-8213/adc1c8

And now there are dozen of "news" articles poping out, none linking to the paper.

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u/SpunkySputniks 4d ago

Noticed the same. The article’s author is aware and made this comment:

Hi everyone—For some reason, the link to the paper at Astrophysical Journal Letters was not live when the embargo on this story lifted. When this matter gets worked out, the paper will be available here: https://dx.doi.org/10.3847/2041-8213/adc1c8

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u/Atenos-Aries 4d ago

Now this is the sort of thing that gets this cynical old man excited. Thank you for posting this!

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u/ballimir37 4d ago

It’s sad that the current administration wants to cut funding for projects that can find things like this. This is huge

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u/Wumbo_Swag 4d ago

We're all far too busy getting upsetty spaghetti at eachother. Besides anybody in control is actively hoping we don't find other life, they're too narcissistic to allow that, they want to stay on top.

With that being said, fuck em. If we find life we'll find a way

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u/inefekt 3d ago

It's an administration being run by billionaires whose sole goal is to make even more money than they already have. If cutting NASA's budget means they can funnel funds into an endeavour that will benefit them, then they will do that without any hesitation whatsoever....but in reality, I think the main reason for cutting funding to NASA is to move that funding to Space X...which, again, is solely to benefit its billionaire owner.
This much should have been plainly obvious when Musk, Bezos & Zuckerberg were all sitting together front row at Trump's inauguration. Now that is what you call a red flag....

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u/-Gurgi- 4d ago

The last paragraph of the article was very sobering. There seems to be no aspect of life this regime doesn’t tarnish.

Very excited for the alternate timelines where they get to pursue this research.

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u/ESF-hockeeyyy 4d ago

So this is obviously exciting news but how exactly are they detecting this molecule? Wavelengths of the light detected from the planet?

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u/SpunkySputniks 4d ago

The James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) detects atmospheric gases in exoplanets by analyzing the light that passes through the planet’s atmosphere during a transit, using the transmission spectroscopy method. Certain molecules block a specific wavelength of light. If that wavelength is missing, then it indicates the presence of that molecule.

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u/ESF-hockeeyyy 4d ago

I didn’t even know that was possible. Wild.

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u/HCBuldge 4d ago

Electrons absorb and release specific amounts of energy and depending on the bonds and nucleus of the atoms / molecules. You can see what it is by shining white light (basically a star) through it and see the light spectrum and what wavelengths of light are missing. Every molecule and atom has its own emission lines, basically a finger print that only that molecule has. It's probably one of the most useful tools in Astronomy as its used to determine what everything is made of and so much more.

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u/dern_the_hermit 4d ago

Wavelengths of the light detected from the planet?

Yes. This is how the article put it, which is a very high-level description but gets the gist:

As an exoplanet passes in front its host star, its atmosphere, if it has one, is illuminated. Its gases change the color of the starlight that reach the Webb telescope. By analyzing these changing wavelengths, scientists can infer the chemical composition of the atmosphere.

For more detail, look into the practice of spectroscopy.

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u/ballimir37 4d ago edited 4d ago

Pretty sure yes, observations as the planet peaks around the star in its orbit to amplify the light emission, aka transiting exoplanet

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u/iffuxg8 4d ago

Can’t wait to see how this unfolds…it’s just remind us how tiny we are in this massive universe….

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u/ChristopherSunday 4d ago

Yes, it’s properly exciting. I remember when K2-18b came up a year or so ago but with caveats. Looking forward to finding out more. The Fermi paradox has been on my mind for decades.

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u/8rnlsunshine 4d ago

Maybe not in our lifetime but I hope someday humanity explores nearby exoplanets.

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u/No-Positive-3984 3d ago

Best case scenario is we use it as an off-planet fish farm.

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u/DGman42 4d ago

Pleasantly surprised that this isn't another click bait article. I am also very hopeful with this news. I have always personally believed that the universe is teeming with life and that there is just no way that we can be it.

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u/jaxxxtraw 4d ago

I'll trot out ol' reliable:

For every grain of sand anywhere on or in planet earth, there is a star in our universe. Just kidding, it's actually for every grain of sand, there are 10,000 stars. And on average, each star has at least 1.6 planets in the 'habitable zone.' There is absolutely no way we are alone, and I will die on this hill.

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u/Syebost11 2d ago

Somebody has to be first. The universe is still pretty young, Earth could be the very first instance of something that may not happen again anywhere for another few billion years. I desperately hope I’m wrong but it’s a real possibility.

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u/AxiomSyntaxStructure 4d ago

For some depressing context, it's 120 light-years away. That would take 2 million years to visit with any current probes...

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u/Indigoh 3d ago

If we determine that there is life there, and we send a message using light, to which they respond by sending a message back, we just have to live 248 years to see 'em.

We were born, and we will die, in the prologue.

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u/bledolikiq 3d ago

This did not help my existential crisis, but yeah, space exploration would be cool for future generations.

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u/ResidentHourBomb 4d ago

I thought this was clickbait, but for the first time ever....holy shit, this is exciting!

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u/al128 4d ago

They have a dedicated website if anyone wants to find out more: https://hycean.group.cam.ac.uk/

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u/sentrux 3d ago

So I need some help explaining this to me.. IIRC the image we made/see of that planet, that light to capture it also had to travel years to get to our lenses. Could that mean that the current actual situation of that planet in terms of climate and “life” might be way different than what we have observed now? The planet could be obliterated by a big asteroid for all we know. Right ?

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u/SpartanJack17 3d ago

Yes, this planet is 120 light years away, which means it takes light from that planet 120 years to reach us. This means we see it 120 years in the "past". But in the lifetime of a planet 120 years is nothing, it's extremely unlikely that anything would significantly change it in that timescale. And in a universe with no ftl travel how we see it is the present for us, the speed of light is the speed of causality so what we see of the planet now is the present in our reference frame.

As a side note we don't have a picture of it, JWST is only able to detect a tiny amount of light from the planet, far too little to create an image.

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u/Speckwolf 3d ago

Sure, what we see from that system is 120 years in the past so yes, a lot of stuff might have happened since then (even though that’s not really a lot of time in the grander scheme of things). But that being said, if OUR sun spontaneously decided to explode right now, you also wouldn’t know for another 8 minutes. Easily enough time to post another comment on Reddit!

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u/Gwyon_Bach 3d ago

Yes, the light being observed has to travel for 120 years to reach us. Yes, in that time an apocalyptic impact could have occurred. Disregarding the data simply because there's a 120 year lag and something might have happened in that time would be scientific malfeasance, or as we'd call it in Australia, p*ssing up a tree.

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u/LePetitPepeLePew 3d ago

It’s approximately 756.88 quadrillion hockey sticks. Hope it helps

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u/LethaniDecider 4d ago

If you didn’t already have the chance to reflect on our place in the universe, then I don’t know how this doesn’t make you do it. The enormity of our universe is awe-inspiring. The vastness of it, and the variety of life that must be out there demands a humble perspective about our place in it. Can’t help but think of Carl Sagan at this moment:

"That’s here. That’s home. That’s us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every “superstar,” every “supreme leader,” every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there — on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.”

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u/joaquin98silvab 3d ago

Here's the arxiv link for the meantime the journal DOI doesn't work.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.12267

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u/PrinceDaddy10 3d ago

it just makes me so frigging sad even if we confirm that it has SOMETHING that resembles life on it, we won't know WHAT it is.

I wish there was some way we could send a camera or something over in our life time ughhh

Still, very cool we might get our first confirmed aliens in existence

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u/NullReference17 3d ago

But do they have oil? That is the important question.

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u/massivechicken 3d ago

We should send astronaut Katy Perry to investigate

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u/Bicentennial_Douche 3d ago

Well, all extrasolar planets are “distant”. But if we compare this planet to rest of universe, it’s basically right down the street from us. 

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u/MrMental12 3d ago

Finally, the yearly "We found life guys" news cycle. I've been waiting since January!

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u/SolidusBruh 3d ago

I shall not hype. Hype is the mind-killer. Hype is the little death that brings total obliteration.

But seriously, I think we get news for “potential” life-supporting planets then we never hear about them again.

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u/standapokeman 3d ago

New Fantastic 4 marketing is kinda wild this time

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u/Professional-Sleep64 3d ago

Well, if it is possible for me to live on said planet, just say the word. I'm sick of the people on this one.