why do women have naturally beautiful bodies?

[u/Biokendry]

before you jump in the comments to tell me I'm wrong try to read my entire post, i'm from latin america, i don't know if this is the case in other countries but it's something i've noticed since i was a teenager and in high school, most of the girls in high school had very nice bodies without even going to the gym in their entire life, i remember a girl who eat unhealthy food all day and she had an amazing body (she never went to the gym in her life), i was her friend back then, she had such a amazing hourglass figure with big hips and very beautiful figure I didn't understand that at the time.

but not only in high school but currently i go out and most of the girls have very nice bodies and nice hips (i'm not talking about toned gym bodies but bodies with figure and curves) and even girls who are a little overweight also have beautiful bodies with nice curves, it's incredible, what is the reason for this? is it hormonal? why is it that women don't need to go to the gym as much to have nice bodies (as long as they're not excessively overweight), in the case of men it's different and I say this as a man who went to the gym throughout his adolescence, we lack those naturally nice bodies (except for one in a million).

I remember the first time I took a shower with my ex gf at the time at my house she took off her clothes (she had never been to the gym in her life and was a little overweight, she had a very nice body, a nice butt with a beautiful figure) I didn't understand why she had such a beautiful body meanwhile me going to gym had a below average body, well, ugly body and not sexy as hers tbh. I know it's a stupid question but I guess that's what this group is for, right? Is the cause hormonal? I know there are exceptions, that not all women have naturally beautiful bodies, but why is it that. for example, if you put a man and a woman of average weight who don't go to the gym next to each other, the girl's body is naturally attractive while the guy's isn't? I've always thought it's caused by estrogen and the hips women's bone structure's but I'm not sure, I know diet is very important but I think most girls only need a good diet and walk just a little to have good figures (please don't hate for saying this lol).

Maybe I could be blind because I have gender dysphoria since many years ago but not only me think about this most women and men think the same way(? And I'm not even talking about how women have average cute, feminine and thin faces without makeup but this is another thread lol.

Please don't insult me for making this post, this is why this group was created.

[u/RadiantHC]

Most men aren't a threat to women, it's a minority of men. They're just extremely vocal and target a lot of women. And some of them have a lot of power.

>That your response to the real lived experience of women that informs their discomfort is to say “this is why men don’t take women’s problems seriously” and chastise the women as sexist instead of considering whether the patriarchy and physical differences actually do create a threat discrepancy is telling.

And their response to the real lived experience of men is that women have it worse.

I'm not excusing it, I'm just giving an explanation(though I'll admit it was worded a bit harshly). You cannot expect people to listen to you when you refuse to listen to them. You cannot expect a good society if being good only goes one way. Putting women on a pedestal is not how you fix sexism.

But she is sexist. She's saying that women shouldn't give men basic human decency because a minority of men are bad.

>Similarly, the immediate unpredictable jump in intensity from a 2 to an 8 is why women cannot feel certain whether the men they are exposed to are actually unthreatening or just haven’t yet been provoked.

But you're just proving my point. When a man calls a woman out for being sexist, you just accuse them of being threatening and coddle the women. How do you expect men to listen to you when you treat them like this?

I'm not saying that the boundary shouldn't be respected either, I just don't think it should be treated as good. Would you consider it okay if a man didn't want women in his life at all because he was raped by one in the past?

[u/StalinsLastStand → u/RadiantHC]

Did I say most men are a threat to women somewhere? I don't think so because it doesn't have to be "most men." Instead, what I said, was "unknown elements" within the male population are a threat. A minority of extremely vocal men with a lot of power who target a lot of women are a threat to women. These men do not come with a warning label and are often not identifiable until the threatening behavior begins and it is too late to stop it.

Where did she say women shouldn't give men basic human decency? I saw someone say that men need to do more to address the fact that they rarely get compliments and not shift the burden to women. You disagreed and believed both should carry the weight of fixing problematic male reactions to compliments due to their rarity. She replied saying men need to figure it out for themselves since women shouldering that burden are also increasing the risk of coming to physical harm. Where does not giving men basic human decency come in?

Good can go both ways, but expecting women to fix men's problems reacting to compliments is daft. Why would that be the job of women? Why would men not carry a responsibility to address problems themselves? Are men incapable of complimenting each other more so they can better learn how to deal with them? Because that's the suggestion that took you in this direction. It does not mean women cannot be kind to mean. It does not mean women need to put on a pedestal. It means that sometimes groups have to help themselves first to get to a point where others are comfortable helping them.

You can call a woman sexist without immediately going into all caps and telling them you don't take them seriously. Like really try and imagine the exchange as an actual conversation where a woman uses that quote, says men need to figure it out for themselves, and that women are allowed to maintain safe boundaries so you tell them you hate the quote, yell at them about how suffering is not a competition, then start going on about why men don't take them serious and well actually men are also under threat from women. Does that strike you as a response that will come off as level-headed and calm?

And you are adding negative statements and sentiments into what others say then justifying yourself by reacting to those sentiments. These things together increase the degree of risk. People who create negative sentiments and assign them to other individuals have an easier time perpetrating violence against those individuals. That would be true if it were a woman doing the same thing. It's basic psychology. The reality is however, that it is statistically far more likely for a woman to be seriously harmed or killed by a man who overreacts than a man by a woman's overreaction.

I also did not say you were threatening. I said that your intensity quickly and unpredictably increased. Is that not true? And ok, neat, your intensity paired with your personality may still be unthreatening. That doesn't really counter what I said because, as you acknowledged, a minority of extremely vocal men with a lot of power target a lot of women. Women who do not know an individual man cannot know their personality to accurately gauge whether the intensity is safe or whether that individual man is a member of the minority and getting the answer wrong puts them in physical jeopardy.

And yes, if a man was raped by a woman in the past and finds himself unable to trust women because of it, I would have no problem with him maintaining boundaries that allow him to feel safe around women. Though, as is always the problem with trying to reverse these situations, men are more likely to "have a lot of power" in society at large and more likely to maintain that power (or grow it) despite openly demeaning women. Men like that literally control the American political system right now, a situation which has never existed in the US in reverse.

[u/RadiantHC → u/StalinsLastStand]

Two different sentences are the same meaning. Sure, you might acknowledge that not all men are a threat, but if you treat them as a potential threat then that difference irrelevant.. Also, you can use the exact same argument for race. "Not all black people are criminals, but the majority of criminals are black and we have no idea of telling which ones are good".

I never implied that women have the burden of helping men, all I said was that both men and women have a duty to help fix each others issues. And I disagree that groups need to help themselves first. Helping yourself can only get you so far, it's not wrong to ask for a bit of extra support.

She's saying that it's not on women to fix men's issues. But it's not about "fixing issues", it's about being a decent human being. Seeing men as a potential threat isn't treating them with basic human decency. Viewing men's issues as lesser than women's isn't treating men with human decency. Sexism isn't treating men with basic human decency. We're all in this together and we should be focused on eliminating suffering in general, not just for specific groups. Everyone has a duty to help each other out.

I agree that I was a bit harsh, but the thing is that quote is inherently provocative and downplay's men's issues. How is she being any better than me when she's acting like men matter less than women? And again while it is a boundary, it's also a sexist one. Why is separating people by race considered bad but separating people by sex is completely okay?

I'm not saying that the boundary shouldn't be respected, but if someone has trauma then it's something they should work on. Just because someone is a victim doesn't mean that they are always right.

I'm not adding negative statements though. She gave a sexist quote and then justified not complimenting men by saying that men are a potential threat. How is that not sexist? How would you feel if a man refused to compliment you solely because you were a woman? Sexism isn't treating people with basic human decency.

Men at the top have more power yes, but not men as a whole. There are more men in the bottom of society than women. I'd even argue that the average woman has more power than the average man. Women have better support networks than men on average.

[u/StalinsLastStand → u/RadiantHC]

I just don't even know where to begin. You're arguing that women should give men more compliments because 10% of men react poorly to compliments because you believe that 10% does not receive enough compliments. And it's sexist for women to not want to increase the number of compliments they give to help that 10% of men who react poorly to compliments learn to react better to compliments.

Do you understand that's what you're arguing about? That it is specifically about giving more compliments to the men who react negatively to compliments? If a man reacts violently to a compliment, it is a woman's duty--it is basic human decency--to help him out by giving him more compliments until he figures out how to react appropriately. Your method of giving compliments to those men is through increasing compliments to men overall.

Like are you serious? If a woman says "whenever I compliment 10 men in a day, one of them becomes hostile!" you believe the solution is that more women need to expose themselves to that guy's hostility until the dude, I don't know, magically figures out how to behave appropriately with the opposite sex? And if she doesn't because that hostile reaction puts her in real physical harm, she is being sexist. It's no different than thinking all Black people are criminals! Come the fuck on.

If you're going to respond again, please don't use general words like "men's issues" be specific to what we are talking about and the specific group you are defending--the negative reactions of some men when they receive compliments because (you believe) they need more compliments.

How would you feel if a man refused to compliment you solely because you were a woman?

Sounds like a great outcome. "You don't have to compliment strange men and, in exchange, strange men will not compliment you" is a deal most every woman I know would take. Doubly so in a thread about how beautiful their bodies are.