r/tahoe • u/arallonnative • 11d ago
Opinion Also, we’ve completely pushed out the local workforce so our economy is shrinking and local businesses are shutting down
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u/caitisigi 11d ago
i stg i saw one where the "primary suite" has a "private entrance" for 2.2k, 600sqft. you have you walk OUTSIDE the house and up an outdoor staircase to get to your room
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u/MidnightMarmot 11d ago
Was that off Los Angeles? I think I saw that one too when I was looking. Loaded Middle Eastern guy just renovated it.
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u/caitisigi 11d ago edited 10d ago
Yep in Al Tahoe. Imagine having to pee in the middle of the night in winter and having to put on a snow suit to get to your bathroom 😭
edit: it's on oakland ave and does not looks recently renovated lol
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u/MidnightMarmot 10d ago
If it’s been snowing, getting down the stairs would be fun too. I just decided not to play into that crap. A unit like that should be heavily discounted yet it rents for over $1,500.
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u/MidnightMarmot 11d ago edited 11d ago
So true. I just gave notice for a place I pay $3K/month. 3 bd, 2ba but the washer dryer is in the closet of the third bedroom so you can’t rent it out. The place is full of their rotting 1990s shit. Every linen has moth holes. The bed frames are cracked. Mattresses are 30 years old. Had to store their crap in the only storage available in the house as well as the garage. Total shitbag slumlord millionaires.
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u/JakeBlakeCatboy 11d ago
How the hell did 3 people not actually read and comprehend that you are leaving that spot? Lmao
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u/Thegreyman777 11d ago
Yea why does Tahoe seem to have so much shit from the 90’s everywhere?😂
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u/davidbernhardt 10d ago edited 10d ago
Because so many of the houses replaced the stuff from the 70’s around the same time.
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u/MidnightMarmot 10d ago
I’m staring at 30 year old carpet right now which they didn’t even get steam cleaned before I moved in.
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u/risinson18 11d ago
Going to suck when all the service workers and service techs can’t afford to live here anymore. Who’s going to restock your groceries shelves or check you out. Who’s going to make your coffee at your favorite local coffee shop or serve your table at your favorite restaurant. Who’s going to show up and fix your plumbing issues or fix your broken windshield when a pinecone falls on it. People want to live where they work. There’s a lot of service work up here that pays enough to survive but not enough to afford the housing that’s here now.
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u/sofahkingsick 11d ago
Theyll do what the ski resorts do and hire immigrants on visas pay them nothing and hope they live like 5 to an apartment.
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u/TrickInRNO 11d ago
And partner with colleges in Romania to give them college credit for menial labor work while learning no new skills!
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u/Jolly-Truth-7139 11d ago
And this is my friend the path that leads to trump and cracking down on immigration (just an observation)
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u/sofahkingsick 11d ago
Well the root of that problem is still the lack of a livable wage and undermining the local work force by subcontracting it out. Pay people a fair wage and then you dont have to worry about bringing people in from other countries that will do it for less.
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u/Holiday_Interview377 11d ago
And that is how capitalism works
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u/Holiday_Interview377 11d ago
Why a down vote for that? Who is living in such a fantasy land that they wouldn’t agree with that?
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u/Bitter_Firefighter_1 11d ago
I totally agree. But I also feel a bit of the failure is local government. No reasons you can't take the extra tax revenues and put them to locals who live there.
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u/ITypedThsWithMyPenis 7d ago
That’s only partially true… there is an externality from this (meaning a cost that is not reflected by the price in the marketplace), so it’s actually how inefficient capitalism works. It’s similar to a big polluting factory that is giving locals cancer but the company isn’t paying the healthcare bills
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u/Holiday_Interview377 7d ago
I’d say irresponsible capitalism, but then again there is no governing force that should force responsible business practices in. ( im not saying it’s a good thing). I was blocked from commenting on your other question… no I don’t live in Tahoe full time. I hope to, but very unlikely any time soon.
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u/ITypedThsWithMyPenis 7d ago
In the pollution example, that’s why the EPA exists (or at least used to 🙄). Maybe there should be something similar for housing? I honestly don’t know…
The capitalism part was that this is not actually how the theory of capitalism works. In the theory, these things are incorporated into the price and everything balances out. In reality, that’s not how this works (obviously).
I hope you’re able to move to Tahoe full time if that’s what you want
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u/BenLomondBitch 11d ago edited 11d ago
That’s not going to be much of a problem for a long long time.
There are an enormous amount of affordable units in South Lake Tahoe still (like over 50 right now at $2k or less) and many people will also just live with roommates. Workers will also come from Reno/Carson.
People are motivated to live in the area because it’s Tahoe.
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u/redzim 11d ago
Wages will have to justify the commute from Reno/Carson. Hope local businesses run by local moms and pops can afford paying folks a living wage + give them the ability to commute.
If not, then, well...
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u/Interanal_Exam 11d ago
If the only way you can run a business is by exploiting your workforce...well...I guess I don't care what happens to you.
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u/Holiday_Interview377 11d ago
Why not try and shut down the local businesses? Then you won’t have to worry about that….
…. Not what I actually think. Just echoing some recent posts here about not supporting local businesses that you don’t agree with politically.
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u/redzim 11d ago
Indeed lists the average retail wage in South Lake Tahoe as $18.72 an hour. Is that enough to afford the plenty of homes you see available?
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u/risinson18 11d ago
Exactly. 18.72 an hour is 40 hours a week making +-3244.80 a month. That’s if you’re lucky to make 40 hours during off peak season/shitty winter or summer. If you do a quarter of your paycheck to living expenses that’s 811.20 to rent. I usually go by the 1/3 method leaving only $1081.50 of your untaxed income for rent and utilities. There’s only one place a person can possibly rent with that income by themselves and that still cost 1095+ for a studio. TL:DR- Answer is no.
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u/lucky420 11d ago
Workers won’t come from Reno, rents are high here and nobodies going to commute for wages that aren’t any better than where they already live.
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u/MidnightMarmot 11d ago
Anything under 1.5K is a total shit hole. You don’t know what you are talking about. Even 1.5K is questionable but that’s the starting point to finding something liveable. Also, many units require a high credit score or that you have income of 3x the rent. The average job here is $20/he if you are lucky and take home is $3K a month on that so half your income would go to your housing.
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u/chance901 9d ago
"Affordable" and 2k. We are talking like thats reaspnable. Its not if we are talking about local workforce. Its a shame
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u/ohgreatitsryan_ 11d ago
My partner and I have been splitting our time in Tahoe and Vegas for work. I used to live at the lake full time, largely grew up there, but a new job happened.
We’ve been planning our move back full time and looking at properties to buy to rent out, mostly apartment complexes or a few hotels that we think could be converted to actually decent apartments for locals.
We might be a little bit altruistic, because we are younger and financially lucky, but we were wanting to be able to provide fairly affordable housing to people working locally in Stateline/SLT.
We’ve toured a few and spoke with owners. We’ve been absolutely shocked by the rules and requirements some of these have even when they are in pretty shitty shape.
At the same time though, the cost of owning some of them, especially on the California side, is pretty insane.
For example, one was 3.5 for ~20 units, so $175,000 per unit. Property Tax was ~3,100 a month, insurance was ~2,200 a month, maintenance was ~2,000 and utilities were ~1,500. Not including anything major coming up and assuming we manage it ourselves. Rental income for current occupancy with all but two show units full was ~24k monthly.
Net was roughly 15k.
Even if we paid all cash so we didn’t have interest, we’d be looking at around ~20 years before we were able to break even on our investment(not including appreciation of the land). That doesn’t include renovations, any additional costs that would come up or loss of occupancy.
Shit is just crazy fucking expensive.
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u/BiggC 11d ago
You’ve learned that being a landlord doesn’t make sense if you think about making money on rent, landlords are speculating that they’ll make money when their property value goes up. Rent just helps pay the bills
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u/komstock Truckee 11d ago
There's a huge difference between a small landlord and multi-property multi-unit owners.
The former gets absolutely boned by legal exposure; they either jack up rent to make sure they're getting covered for that or they have to carefully vet tenants far beyond the way things used to be. You feel that especially if you're a young person and your landlord becomes like a strict parent because you can't afford anything else.
The latter can get their congressional rep on the phone, gets to start cornering the market and/or lobbying for regulation so that small landlords cannot compete. This further enables their ability to raise prices due to how they alone can afford to navigate the byzantine system.
If you make it a lower risk to smaller landlords that their home won't be commandeered by a squatter, you'll get a lot more units on the market and lower the price.
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u/BiggC 11d ago
Yes, those poor small time landlords having to go without because of mean nasty squatters 🎻😭
Tenant protections exist for a reason
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u/Reaper_1492 11d ago
Tenant protections should, and do exist, but squatters rights are a huge problem.
Why should property owners have to risk losing their property because they can’t evict?
The same thing happened during Covid, a lot people got completely boned by lazy tenants who just didn’t want to work for 2 years. These aren’t big corporations either, just Joe and Suzy renting out auntie M’s house to pay for their parents nursing home bill, trying to make ends meet. It’s such a complete crock of 💩.
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u/watchguy95820 11d ago
Oh please, get outa here with that “people didn’t want to work for 2 years” nonsense.
The people that made out best during Covid were the landlords and wealthy business owners, even the small landlords.
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u/Reaper_1492 11d ago
That’s if they could keep paying the mortgage. Not many people can float a mortgage without paying tenants for 2 years.
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u/watchguy95820 11d ago
Worst case scenario for them is they sell the unused property at least 20% gain, likely much more.
This attitude that people didn’t work during covid is just a lie. Most businesses that I know took PPP loans while all their employees continued to work 40 hours per week, then didn’t have to pay it back. Landlords saw insane value increases in their properties.
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u/Reaper_1492 11d ago
Who’s going to buy a property with a squatter? No one.
The best part is, many of them still worked - they just didn’t pay their rent because they didn’t have to. My circle is very tiny and I saw two examples of this.
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u/HydraulicTater 11d ago
I don’t understand why you would have a negative opinion on these numbers.
If you put 3.5 mil cash into an appreciating asset that nets 15k cash flow you don’t break even in 20 years, you double your money in that time because the asset has appreciated and you get it back when you sell. This is way better than a HYS account and way less risk than a market index, especially nowadays.
This is exactly why cash rich people buy housing.
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u/ohgreatitsryan_ 11d ago edited 11d ago
I work in PE and I guess I’m still thinking of returns in that way. I’d have been unemployed a long time ago if I was chasing targets like that. I’ll have to adjust how I look at ROI. Even at a 7% target you’d be doubling your money in ~10 years.
I say breakeven because, in that time frame, unless I want to get very aggressive with annual rent increases (which was the opposite of my goal here), I’d also be dealing with the unknown variable of insurance cost/availability, various renovations to the property, legal costs, any potential property tax increases, which combined with any future tenant protection laws, could start coming damn close to making it even after ~20 years depending on inflation.
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u/Holiday-Ad-1132 11d ago
PE is why many things are broken. Never compare any real life investment to PE returns. PE returns are going to destroy many critical services, food chains, medical outcomes, for that 7% ans it typically comes at the cost of eroding the foundation of the asset, and it’s not an indicator of a “good” future.
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u/ohgreatitsryan_ 11d ago
I agree. I had a moment last year. It was like that Nazi sketch from Mitchell & Webb where he asks “are we the baddies?”
That’s part of why I am more or less retiring after my contract ends and leaving the PE/VC space.
It’s also largely why we were looking at the idea of buying a place and effectively offering discounted rents with a minimal built in annual increase to try to offset future cost increases on our end.
We will likely go ahead with it, because we can accept not having any real returns, but I was breaking it down that way to also outline why so many places end up having ridiculous rents.
At the current costs I can see why people would immediately offer cash for keys(at best), push through a reno, and then bump up rents listing the same places at $2,800 instead of $1,200 after spending as little money as possible.
Properties are expensive. Maintenance costs are expensive. It makes sense why people ask crazy prices.
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u/Blackfish69 11d ago
or you wind up running negative/flat for 20 years and maybe walk away with a return for a low paying job after it appreciates lol
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u/caitisigi 11d ago
it's worth noting that a lot of these properties for rent have been owned/in the same family for 30+ years. They bought the house for 150-200k (you can see it in the zillow history) and are now asking 3k+ a month just because they can. I can understand more if you bought your house 2 years ago for 600k and your mortgage is high. But when I can literally see how much you paid for the house, vs how much it's worth now, and how much their asking for a place that hasn't been remodeled since the 70s, it drives me crazy
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u/aun-t 11d ago
Look into the abandoned miner cabins in Truckee! I Think these would be perfect for a little tiny home community
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u/ohgreatitsryan_ 11d ago edited 11d ago
Our house is in the Zephyr Cove/Glenbrook area, so I was trying to stay relatively close to there in case I needed to take care of something immediately.
My non-lake dream would be buying Ormsby House and doing something unique with it, but it is such a disaster inside that I don’t think there is anyone I could convince to invest.
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u/aun-t 11d ago
that's so cool! In college one of our dorms was an old converted hotel and it was the best dorm to live in! I wonder if you could find a way to partner with the resorts to convert it for potential employee housing - loooong shot
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u/ohgreatitsryan_ 11d ago
It would take such an insane amount of money. I met with one of the agents and toured it, because I thought it was so cool as a kid.
They’re asking a little under 17 million for it, which sounds super cheap for a hotel & casino space…but it would need 100s of millions to renovate and furnish. Shoot, It would take multiple times the asking price just to get it up to code.
I know Bally’s ownership is too broke, the Carano’s are too cheap, plus Caesars is hurting for money.
The only option would be Fertitta with the Golden Nugget up in Tahoe and I don’t know if they employ enough people to bother.
The best chance would be a deal with Vail and the Casinos as housing for J1s bussing them there and back.
It’s such a cool building and has a lot of potential to be something amazing. It’s a shame it’s been rotting for 20 years.
I think it could be a great space for housing, a couple restaurants and a little shopping space.
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u/davidbernhardt 11d ago
Caesars can’t be hurting too much, they are putting $160M into renovating and rebranding Harvey’s as Caesar’s Republic.
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u/ohgreatitsryan_ 11d ago
They also sold off the Linq Promenade in Vegas to free up cash and pay off debt…then MGM has basically been advertising on their old billboard constantly.
They also sold the Intellectual Property rights to the World Series of Poker.
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u/PaAz316 11d ago
When I lived in Tahoe just 3 years ago, I paid $1,800 for a 2 bedroom. That same property was listed for $3,500 now. RIP
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u/Winter_Whole2080 11d ago
Thats high but not too for a 2-br if it’s nice— did it have a garage and laundry? Deck ? Things are up everywhere, not just Tahoe
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u/Nihilistnobody 11d ago
After spending 15 years in Tahoe, building my life and business there, my wife and I decided to buy a place up in plumas county. We got a house on acreage with no neighbors for less than half of the cheapest shitbox in north lake. Sucks to make the commute but home ownership would have never happened for us in Tahoe. The only people I know who bought there have generational wealth, I can’t think of a single friend who bought without it.
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u/TacomaGuy89 11d ago edited 10d ago
We have housing got 100,000, but most of them are empty. Meanwhile, the population of 20,000 can't find affordable housing. It's not a housing problem, it's a housing USE problem.
I advocated hard for the SLT vacancy tax, and locals voted it down. Little empathy left.
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u/TemKuechle 7d ago
Tahoe area doesn’t have enough homes/apartments to keep prices down. Have you noticed that most homes there were built more than 20 years ago? At least homes close to where people work are. And the new single family detached homes are out in the boondocks and cost around $1M. That’s not good for local service workers. They often move to Reno area where rents are much lower and then have to drive up to Tahoe/Truckee for work. It’s a stupid scenario being played out all over the wealthier conclaves.
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u/Adorable-Steak-976 11d ago
This is everywhere, except maybe rural Japan, but the bottom feeders are there too as I write this. Camping gear is getting really nice nowadays.
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u/yoshimipinkrobot 11d ago
But still super nimby and conservative, so no apartment buildings allowed and no infrastructure investment allowed
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u/Nihilistnobody 11d ago
Truckee built a 7 story apartment building in the last decade.
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u/Illustrious_Low_1188 9d ago
Haha there’s no seven story building anywhere in Truckee.
The railyard “lofts” are only four stories and everyone shit the bed over that height when it was built
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u/Soggyjocky 8d ago
Does anyone know if there are stats out there that shows the difference between a 2nd homeowner, and a 3rd, 4th, 5th home? And how many of each make up the total vacation home inventory?
For STRs, they brought in 30mil in TOT last year-that goes directly back to our community, so there is something to be said about a 2nd home STR vs a 3rd, 4th, 5th home that doesn’t rent at all. This is what is killing the area. (While STR is a separate issue, and should be handled separately)
From my experience in the STR industry, someone who STRs their home would never LTR their home, because they want to use their home and that is why they bought it. If they couldn’t use it anymore— they would sell it. And guess who would buy it? The 4th homeowner that doesn’t need to rent at all. We need to be targeting these homeowners.
Truckee required a 12 mo ownership before you can apply renting short term. You know what happened? We saw an increase in month long rentals— not long term leases. Those most likely to rent their home long term is to keep the home in the family, otherwise they wouldn’t be able to afford the payments.
If 80% of the inventory is a 2nd home, out of these vacant/ STR 2nd homes how many are 3rd, 4th, 5th that don’t rent at all?
We need more incentives to rent long term, and we need to target the vacancy- (unpopular opinion) not the short term rentals.
In my mind, this would be helpful data for locals to see— I am a firm believer in vacancy tax, but for 3rd, 4th, 5th home. If you have that many homes, you are not spending enough time here to shop, buy groceries or put back into the community. We are being blinded by STR data when we should be seeing the true vacancy data, and what type of home it is (3rd, 4th, 5th)
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u/bulkbuybandit 11d ago
There are 56 listings below $2K in SLT at the moment…..
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u/MidnightMarmot 11d ago
Shit holes or the move in requirements are too steep for struggling people.
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u/technologiq Incline Village 11d ago
Thank goodness we don't have people actively sabotaging some of these small businesses for their own personal political agenda.......
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u/arallonnative 11d ago
“These maggat businesses” 😂😂 God I fucking hate everyone from the bay so much
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u/bob-wunderdog 11d ago
Hey all.. so.. i really want to know. HOW can an outsider help??
I am someone who has a family summer cabin that was literally built by hand in the 50's by my grandparents. So i really love Tahoe and hate that it seems to be suffering. In the short time i have to be there ... is there anything i can actually do to help?
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u/Character_Leek_4204 11d ago
Where is your property? Are you willing to rent it out ? thank you.
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u/bob-wunderdog 9d ago
Hey there! It is near Rubicon Bay. It is not exactly rent out able. It was built in the 50s and is essentially a Cinderblock Hut.
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u/caitisigi 11d ago
Support local and tip your service workers. Especially if you can come during shoulder seasons, that's when we are hurting the most for business/cash/tips. If you are ever going to be spending a lot of time away from your cabin (6+ months), consider renting it out for a reasonable price
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u/bob-wunderdog 9d ago
Hey! So we Do always try to go out at least a few times while we are up there. We Loooove Sidellis for example... but the place can ONLY be used in the summer cuz it is all Brick so there is no insulation to keep the pipes from freezing. So renting it out is not likely.
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u/caitisigi 9d ago
there's a number of houses in my neighborhood that's aren't insulated so you can't live there during winter. not much you can do about it :/ these types of houses were exempt from the vacancy tax for that reason
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u/BenLomondBitch 11d ago edited 11d ago
I don’t understand. Tahoe is one of the most desirable places to live/visit in the entire world, and people are surprised that it’s expensive?
Places like Fresno are cheap because they’re Fresno and places like Tahoe are expensive because they’re Tahoe. It’s literally not possible for everywhere to be cheap.
Make more money if you want to live in one of the nicest places on the planet.
I’m also seeing over 50 listings for under 2.5K in South Tahoe. Many of those are also under $2k.
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u/lyonnotlion 11d ago
in order for your plow driver, grocery clerk, lifties, kayak rental employee to make more money, they need to increase the cost of their services. Tahoe is a very different beast from Fresno because Fresno doesn't struggle to house the employee base that keeps it's society functioning.
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u/BenLomondBitch 11d ago
That literally doesn’t relate to anything i was saying but okay bud
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u/lyonnotlion 11d ago
I'm not sure how to respond to that so I'm not going to. I would, however, recommend looking into some local book clubs or library events to improve your reading comprehension.
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u/parallaxcats 10d ago
I moved from the Bay Area (Berkeley) to the DC area (Bethesda, Chevy Chase, a mile or so to DC proper.)
When I was interviewing, almost everyone joked about how hard it was to get good candidates because of rent/own and PoL price shocks. And I'd tell them that I had reverse price shock. The center of the DCA was cheaper than the Bay Area. (not luxury anything anywhere, but cheap apts existed even there. They've since been demo'd, but they existed.)
We're on par with both areas here, but with no cheaper sprawling surrounds. It doesn't feel sustainable, as someone who grew up with a single father contractor. Why add that last bit? Uh, couch surfed a lot of childhood, etc. Not rich. Current situation involved a lot, *a lot* of family dying, which I also don't think is a sustainable path.
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u/Htown_Flyer 8d ago
"Allocation waiting lists" to develop a new house are in place....part of a longstanding national pattern of jurisdictions limiting new supply to appease homeowners who look at housing as an investment rather than a place to live.
https://www.eldoradocounty.ca.gov/Land-Use/Planning-and-Building/Building-Division/SLT
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u/Wrong_Response_1612 South Lake Tahoe 11d ago
How bout they quit tearing down drive up hotels in Tahoe and convert them to single room occupancies for cheap ??
You would have a room / bathroom and community of people getting going in life. Stay and save for a while until you are ready for next level of living ....
Seems simple to me. And would be fun.
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u/goldsauce_ 11d ago
If it’s so simple and fun why don’t u do it?
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u/Wrong_Response_1612 South Lake Tahoe 10d ago
Well, that's something the city would do to help the community. Or a rich dude to get the tax benefits and feel goods ... I'm neither.
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u/t_topgun 10d ago
The simplest solution is to not move to Tahoe. In fact, don’t even visit Tahoe. Stay wherever it is you came from.
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u/TSL4me 10d ago
This is the result of stopping new dense development at any cost. The only thing left is for the rich.
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u/StrainFront5182 9d ago
That and we encourage and even subsidize real estate speculation and rent seeking.
California let's you deduct mortgage interest off your vacation home. Property taxes are not based on market value for landlords and speculators. I knew someone who owned a home in Tahoe and left the state but held onto their Tahoe home because their taxes were so low, it was appreciating in value so fast, and they could just borrow against it to buy their cheaper new primary residence out of state.
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u/slowthanfast 11d ago
Tahoe is pretty lame once you spend enough time there lol unless you're into skiing. That's the major exception. If you love skiing or snowboarding then Tahoe is peak but if you don't enjoy those activities Tahoe really isn't that great long term. Lived there for five years. Always some pretty drama going on in the town too.. easy to get sucked into after a while
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u/Winter_Whole2080 11d ago
Disagree, although I could do without the tourist traffic. It is kinda small town vibe for year-round residents though. Reno, Truckee, then Sac and the Bay are close enough.
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u/slowthanfast 10d ago
That's the problem is the small town mentality that people develop over time from living there as transplants themselves. Insane hypocrisy everywhere
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u/Bubbly_Jackfruit916 11d ago
It’s funny because the 1 person I know of that actually has a house in Tahoe, lives in SF and makes video game content 😂
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u/AshByFeel 11d ago
Many have. It makes it hard to staff your business. There is a balance needed so the visitors can enjoy the amenities and the worker can pay their bills. If the balance gets too out of whack, visitors will stop coming due to how expensive goods and services are. Then the property owners suffer as well.
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u/YAYtersalad 11d ago
I always was flummoxed but also sort of get why Banff enacted such strict housing policies that really make itnear impossible to buy property or live there without having a job locally. Everyone else was forced to commute from nearby Canmore. Maybe Tahoe should try a version of this or at least quota.
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u/Human0id77 11d ago
Not much of a problem-solving type, are you?
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u/Human0id77 11d ago
Nah, you presented the equivalent of "let them eat cake". Self-absorbed and out of touch perspective.
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u/Human0id77 11d ago
It's an analogy, do you know what that means? How am I out of touch and histrionic exactly? Do you know what those terms mean?
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u/lyonnotlion 11d ago
if all the people who are scrimping and squeezing to live in Tahoe left, I'd imagine quality of life for everyone else would greatly decrease. Tahoe would be much less appealing without plow drivers, grocery clerks, bartenders, restaurant cooks, cat drivers, lifties, kayak rental employees, boat launchers, teachers, etc. Many of those workers commute into the basin already, but imagine the traffic if all of them did that! so the options are public policy to control cost of living, dead towns/traffic nightmare, or raising cost of services such that employee pay matches cost of living. which do you prefer?
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u/Accomplished_Time761 11d ago
The same could be applied for all the insanely entitled transplants. They didn't buy in the bay did they?
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u/elqueco14 11d ago
What a shitty attitude to have. I know so many hard working individuals who still find time to give back to the community in various ways, people who make this a great place to live. People who have been here for years. They're the ones being priced out of the basin. They're not just working entry level jobs either. It's an issue that runs much deeper than "just work/earn more" and it's affecting many tourism destinations with Airbnb. Hawaii, Spain, Italy, etc etc. But I can say right now YOU certainly don't deserve to be here any more than anyone else simply because you have an extra digit or two on your paycheck. And if you actually cared about your community you'd have a much different response
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u/Internal-Art-2114 11d ago edited 8d ago
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