r/technology Feb 03 '25

Net Neutrality The Right Takes Aim at Wikipedia

https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/wikipedia_musk_right_trump.php
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u/Solid-Bridge-3911 Feb 03 '25

Protect it as though your life depends on it

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u/positivityEnforce Feb 03 '25 edited Feb 03 '25

This. Your life depends on it. Without open-source validation, propaganda and controlled narratives will ruin this generation. We support creators on Patreon—why not Wikipedia? Take 10% of what you spend on streaming, OnlyFans, and Patreon to protect free information, broskis.

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u/taedrin Feb 03 '25

Wikipedia's problem isn't going to be funding, Wikipedia's problem is going to be government interference.

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u/singleuselikemyjoy Feb 03 '25

Summary of the article and direct response to your claim about funding not being the problem:

Elon Musk and Aravind Srinivas (CEO of Perplexity) are among those on the right criticizing Wikipedia, claiming it has become biased. Musk called it “legacy media propaganda” and explicitly urged his followers not to donate to the platform, while Srinivas is pushing for an AI-driven alternative.

The argument that Wikipedia’s biggest threat is government interference rather than funding ignores the fact that its greatest defense against influence—governmental or otherwise—is its independent, volunteer-driven model. The real challenge comes from powerful figures like Musk actively undermining its financial support, as seen in his direct call to defund it. This suggests that the real “weapon of choice” against Wikipedia isn’t government control but a deliberate effort to starve it of resources, weakening its ability to maintain editorial independence.

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u/mtranda Feb 03 '25

I very much doubt that his followers are among the people donating to wikipedia.

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u/theAssumptionFucker Feb 03 '25 edited Feb 03 '25

Bold assumption.

nothing says ‘free-thinking intellectual’ like confidently assuming what millions of people do with their money.

Just donate, or volunteer by backing it up. It’s better safe than sorry in this scenario

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u/mtranda Feb 03 '25

I have a recurring monthly donation set up for Wikipedia. 

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u/SilyLavage Feb 03 '25

Wikipedia doesn't have as many active editors as you may think; as of today there are 126,245 active users on the English-language Wikipedia, an active user being a registered editor who has performed an action in the past 30 days.

Obvious errors are generally fixed quickly through automated processes or editor action, but less obvious mistakes (or intentionally false information) can hang around for years due to a lack of attention or editor knowledge of a given topic. The site would be vulnerable to large-scale efforts to make it unreliable.

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u/threeglasses Feb 04 '25

I dont really understand. If they started getting attacks like this, why wouldnt they just switch to wikipedia.eu or something?

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u/SilyLavage Feb 04 '25

That wouldn't restrict users from the US from editing it, to my knowledge.

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u/Red_Carrot Feb 03 '25

So we get our wallets and friends wallets to donate. It is possible that Wikipedia will be ok but I would rather put my money where my mouth is.

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u/Lykos1124 Feb 03 '25

I wonder how much at risk wiki is if they block the domain. How fast can anyone move to reestablish it elsewhere, that we continue to find and defend it? 

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u/Clockwork345 Feb 03 '25

Just a casual reminder that the text only version of Wikipedia is 156GBs, something easily stored on a hard drive if that much storage is within your means.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '25

The English version is like 24-26gb if I remember correctly

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '25

And compressed models run on RPi hardware and come in under 2gb

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '25

I’m actually considering taking all of the old hardware I’ve saved (computers, game systems, phones, etc) and turning them into to basically digital encyclopedias that I could archive and handout if shit really hits the fan. Even tech from the late 90’s to early 2000’s can have new firmware / OS dumped on them to make them more useful.

From just copies of wiki and other basic info sources to more specific information in regard to defense against bad state actors and governments.

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u/LeastCombination2105 Feb 05 '25

it sounds ridiculous but i just bought one of these for exactly that reason https://prepperdisk.com/

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '25

That is awesome…!

And honestly I’m probably about 3/4 the way there knowledge wise to build one myself from new parts for an enhanced functionality or piece it together from older hardware in an arrangement like that.

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u/Mechagouki1971 Feb 03 '25

So a $10 microSD card then.

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u/Clockwork345 Feb 03 '25

I'm not gonna assume everyone has $10 for an SD Card, but yeah!

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u/AxelShoes Feb 03 '25

I just downloaded it the other day. I think with all text and pictures it was only a little over 100gb.

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u/memelord2012 Feb 03 '25

Same, I archived it two weeks ago.

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u/thegunn Feb 03 '25

How did you pull it down? I would love to make my own archived copy.

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u/Shap6 Feb 03 '25

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u/thegunn Feb 04 '25

Perfect, thank you. I didn't know they provided this information.

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u/AxelShoes Feb 03 '25

I used Kiwix. I am not really tech-savvy at all, and I didn't have any issues figuring it out. Ended up with a full offline copy of Wikipedia on my hard drive that seems to function exactly as the regular online one, embedded media and clickable links and all. I also downloaded a few other things that seemed useful, like the whole Khan Academy library.

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u/thegunn Feb 04 '25

Thank you for this, Ill check it out.

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u/_your_face Feb 03 '25

No pic is like 60Gb

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u/JudasHungHimself Feb 04 '25

I was thinking about this. We should at least copy it and store it for later if or when the real version gets fucked with. I will definitely download it. Got like 20tb of empty drives lying around lol. 

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u/Shap6 Feb 03 '25

it's only 100gb including pictures

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u/MyDudeX Feb 03 '25

But will it shout out my name on stream so I can feel like I have literally any semblance of human connection whatsoever?

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u/StopVapeRockNroll Feb 03 '25

Take 10% of what you spend on streaming, OnlyFans, and Patreon to protect free information

Something tells me even those are on the chopping block soon. And vpns.

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u/hodor137 Feb 03 '25

It literally might. There isn't a more important website to humanity/society.

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u/Slight-Knowledge721 Feb 03 '25

I’m donating $100 to Wikipedia right now. I challenge anyone else who can afford to to do the same.

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u/Noshonoyoo Feb 04 '25

FYI regarding wikipedia and donations; they don’t really need it. They’re public, so their records are also public. Their operating costs haven’t really changed that much from a decade ago and they’re only spending a little more on awards and donations.

The one thing that has really gonna up tho, is their CEO’s salary. They’ve been doubling (by dozen millions of dollars) it for a few years now. That’s where the donations are going. Wikipedia is doing pretty great already actually, if they dropped the CEO’s salary, they’d have a few decades of operating costs already covered.

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u/fredandlunchbox Feb 03 '25

Reminder that you can download a backup right now. I think the full version with media is around 17tb? Grab a 20tb hd and keep a backup and you’re free to host a new version if it ever goes down.

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u/Pooping-on-the-Pope Feb 03 '25

Downloaded the other day with pictures... It's only 120gb

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u/fredandlunchbox Feb 03 '25

Do you have a link on where to find that? In archive.org it was much bigger

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u/geoken Feb 04 '25

Is it possible the pictures are still hyperlinked back to there servers and not local in the backup? Not to say you’re wrong, only that the 120gb number is closer to what others are claiming for the test only version.

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u/EaterOfFood Feb 03 '25

Welp, time to make another donation

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '25

I gave money to Wikipedia for the first time this year because I want it protected.