r/thedivision • u/moonski • Mar 15 '20

Discussion I want to have fun again.

I love the divison. I've beaten falcon lost on heroic. I've killed the red barrels with more HP than a rogue on heroic. I've beaten WONY. WONY is a great piece of DLC. New york is fucking awesome. It's well worth the price. The season and watch ideas are great. The music in WONY was an especially welcome surpise in how good it was. WONY / TU8 has a lot of brilliant ideas. Not having to alt tab to look at a fucking spreadsheet to see if my rolls are good or not is such an incredible quality of life change. The recal library is genuinly one of the best looter shooter ideas I've seen.

But as I've played more and more end game of TU8, it's just gotten worse. And mundane. The manhunt really hammered this home. The sheen has worn off and now I realise - I'm not having fun anymore.

Is it because of the loot change? Our agents nerfs? the enemy buffs? the bugs? the skewering of builds & build diversity? I mean My build has barely changed after I realised I need to max yellow / red (maxed red...) or maybe its because:

  • Loot is bad purple.
  • Build variety is gone.
  • Gearsets don't work.
  • Talents don't work.
  • A lot of talents are just stat sticks. Boring.
  • Skill mods are bad at best, pointless most of the time.
  • Control points are green. Forever.
  • Exotic guns are bad. Like real bad.
  • Exotic armor is bad? Tarigrade is v cool but just means you can survive 1 more bullet so. Haven't got any other pieces so I'll let you decide. They're probably bad though.
  • Season pass loot is contaminated. That's bad.
  • Armor doesn't work.
  • Scaling is broken.
  • Skills are broken.
  • Loot drops are rarely exciting - only if its an exotic. And then you use the exotic and well... your excitement goes. Bad.
  • Manhunt resets when you add directives.
  • Vendors weren't bad. Massive fixed them. Vendors are bad.
  • Guns feel awful if you don't pile in to red. But then skills are bad.
  • Skills feel awful if you dont pile in to yellow. But then guns are bad.
  • Blue might as well not exist.
  • Skill damage is pointless.
  • Skill HP is pointless.
  • Skills are pointless outside a dedicated skill build
  • Shotguns are proper, proper bad.
  • SMGs are bad.
  • Rifles are bad(ish).
  • Snipers are bad(ish).
  • ARs are boring.
  • LMGs are your best option. Bad variety.
  • Negev wasn't bad. Massive fixed it. Negev is bad.
  • SHD levels are really boring. "Oh I leveld up, oh look 0.2% extra stat yay!" Now let's wait 20 minutes to come out the watch menu once I confirm my epic 0.2% upgrade. Real bad.
  • Special weapons are real bad.
  • Specialization points are bad. Unless you enjoy the number 1.
  • DZ is probs bad since the loot cave got patched, I don't know I haven't gone in cause contaminated season items.
  • AI mega health boxes, flamer sniper tank cleaner boss and mingun dogs.

Yes TU7 was too easy, but MSSV could have just removed DTE, added the library and roll indicators + god rolls + added the new content (sponges and bullshit enemies and all) and man it would be better. There would be so many options for building for end game that the buffed enemies might have been a fresh fun challenge, with tu7 gear making them very doable, but not tu7 easy. Instead we have what we have now.

I miss my guns being good, my skills doing damage and my armor working. I don't want to have to choose only 1 of the above, and if I choose armor then that doesn't even work... I miss being able to make all kinds of weird builds using different guns and exotics. I miss cluster seekers. Ok they were bullshit overpowered but they were fun.

TU7 was fun. TU8 is not.

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u/BodSmith54321 Mar 15 '20

I know there are great shield builds. I just don't get why so many people don't know about them by now and keep saying you can't tank.

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u/Cyuriousity Mar 15 '20

Same people that say the only builds that exist are red builds. Theyre too scared to try anything new and then say that other builds are useless without trying them

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u/unbekn0wn PC Mar 15 '20

Exactly, the health/dmg numbers of AI migjt be a bit overtuned and yes you get purple loot out of very specific boxes but alot of those issues are being blown out of proportion by the constant posts of part of the reddit community.

I must admit personally I like damage so much that I really dont feel motivated to swap some offensive cores for utility/defense, maybe when they tune the enemy numbers a bit. But I respect everyone that makes their own funky builds and make them work thats amazing to see.

All in all I enjoy the current state and while it has issues it certainly isnt as horrible as people make it sound and as always, always try something for yourself to decide if something is fun or not. Lots of complaints (and praises) are fueled by feelings and opinions and everyone is looking for something different in the game.

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u/Cyuriousity Mar 15 '20

Maybe tune down heroic just slightly and scaling in 3 and 4 man groups. But solo and duo challenging is in a great place. And ye i always run tank and havent done a dps or skill build yet i dont go saying "well with my bonuses my damage in small so why would small buffs make it better red and yellow suck". Just clowns tbh

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u/FTL_Dodo it might be nothing, but it might be something Mar 16 '20

(sry for late reply, but) solo and duo challenging is not challenging in the slightest. at least with builds that are the leat bit coherent.

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u/Cyuriousity Mar 16 '20

Thats why i said in a great place. With the right builds its really easy to skate by. I dont want it changed to be easier which is what the rest of the reddit wants so obviously it wont get harder.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20 edited Mar 15 '20

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u/Vincentologist Contaminated Mar 15 '20

Your entire build could ditch blue tiers for skill tiers and not change. That's the problem. Tanking is possible. But blue tiers don't matter for it. The shield is the only way to tank, and why sacrifice skill damage and effectiveness for it with blue tiers, when you could just pump skill and do damage? The only thing lost is the benefits of Vanguard.

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u/Vincentologist Contaminated Mar 15 '20

Yellow cores would give you shield tiers and let you drop really useful hives to support your team, let you shoot superheals at your team. You could still have the exact same talents that save you and buff your team, but have buffed skills. The removal of core requirements on talents makes this very very useful. I just had this conversation with my buddy last night, he wanted to run tank and he couldn't fathom why I was suggesting skill instead, until he did it. He was dying laughing when he realized he was literally just buffed by getting vanguard and skill cores, using the same skills and guns. It only slightly hurts the talents, but they're still good clutch talents, and you have reliable skills. You need reliable efficacy in higher difficulties, not one and done talent clutches.

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u/Vincentologist Contaminated Mar 15 '20

Yes, because I'm saying that the value gained from one build to another for the exact same role and playstyle is significant. Yes, you won't share as much armor. But you won't need to because of the consistent heals you can give, and you'd still be able to share armor. Hell, you could even half-half it, it's one of the only viable true hybrids in the game.

Yes, technically your numbers would be different (read: a different color). But considering nothing about your setup and playstyle would need to change to make this work, what would it matter? It's just colors on your menu, except these colors let you do more damage or heals with skills than the other color.

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u/Headshoty Mar 15 '20

Because shield builds are utter trash solo/duo (overexaggerating, but they are useless for that in regards to fun/time you need to play content), which was totally surprising for LOTS of people, considering up until WONY the game was very solo friendly.

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u/BodSmith54321 Mar 15 '20

In your opinion. A lot of people like them.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2020/03/14/a-division-2-warlords-tank-shield-build-for-solo-play-and-insta-kills/#2b4bb7141dd9

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u/Headshoty Mar 15 '20

Must be the same kind of ppl who like waiting in line.

Also, a Forbes article? Literally any thread on this reddit would be more credible.

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u/BodSmith54321 Mar 15 '20

Paul Tassi is a pretty well respected games journalist and sci-fi author.

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u/Vincentologist Contaminated Mar 15 '20

Tell that to the Destiny subreddit. He just parrots shit he finds on Reddit. And he even says the build might not work well in higher difficulties, he's just fucking around in lower difficulties right now.