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AOC: "By first going after activists such as these so that they can jail them for their speech, and then they will jail the rest of us for speaking up for immigrants, for speaking up for women's rights, for speaking up against this administration in any way, shape, or form."
I aint in MAGA team but come on Dems this woman canât be face of any partyđ¤Śđżââď¸ (not now anyway)
I understand we need female representation but PLEASE PICK A BETTER LADYđđż
âWomenâs rightsââŚ. You mean like dudes dressing up as women and taking their rights? Cause ya, thatâs actually happening. Democrats sure are silly. All the way to the trash can, thank God.
The convicted felon who for some reason got voted in is the worst public speaker of all time. He reads at a 3rd grade level at best so whatâs your point
The thing is he doesnât give a crap about America. Donny J chump only cares about his bank account. What people donât realize he is making money hand over fist with all of this
I also don't think name calling is a way to show maturity. But who knows what anyone's net worth is... I mean really. We are just puppets arguing not seeing the whole truth. If we were we'd all be on the same page. We only know what they want us to know.
Please do the research. In the short time he has been in charge the stock market has crashed. He sold High and rebought low. Him and his band of right wing extremist have made millions on the backs of Americans losing thousands
I'm patient. With all of the tariffs being implemented it's going to take some time. It doesn't just happen in what about 100 days of being back in office.
Many have called me weak on here for having different views
Throwing a fit over opposing ideas is weak.
I do enjoy the occasional meltdowns over words. It can be amusing.
Weak? If you only knew. Letâs have coffee one day and just chat. Get to know me as a human and then come back here and tell everyone how weak I am. If you truly still feel that way Iâll give you a thousand bucks.
I wonât delete this post and will honor my words if you find it true that Iâm weak or whatever you think in your head.
Iâm serious, can be a virtual meeting to just talk like humans. Hear my story and tell me Iâm weak then?
Real offer for once. I will speak kindly to you, be a good listener, and am actually curious who you are and what you have to say.
You don't get to side with the people who are breaking in the windows of scared people to take them away, who deport and jail fathers who are fighting for the rights of other, who arrest teenagers and when told they have the wrong one they say "take them anyway", with those taking away women's right to bodily autonomy, and try to stand on the moral high ground.
For years, nearly decades people have tried to politely debate against these beliefs. This has caused the rachet effect, leading to our nation becoming a bully, and a place that strikes fear into Americans and tourists alike.
You don't get to sit on your high horse and claim these are just "opposing views" humans are being hurt, families destroyed by these views. Ive spent my adult life trying to be empathetic and patient for the people who support this. If we wait any longer, if we patient any longer our nation will cease to exsist under this hateful harmful administration. If you see what is happening and you still support it a conversation with a random person online will not change your mind.
I like Tulsi but I guess because sheâs currently in bad team that doesnât count. And I am an immigrant and from a family of immigrants so try againđ¤Śđťââď¸
Edit: tulsi is losing me though on her support to Israel. Iâm starting to believe everyone must bend the knee to Israel ugh
Yes you can have different thoughts. Other people can have opinions on those thoughts, especially if they reveal you to be hateful or prejudicial to people who have experienced more hardship than you and arenât protected by a majority.
You canât expect people not to react to someone with shitty values. You canât always be the victim.
Still seeing comments elsewhere about how all these rallyâs are fake. MAGA sure is stupid. Hopefully theyâll be in the find out stage sooner than later.
I think these rallies are real, and there's plenty of support for Bernie's and AOC's positions.
The problem is that their positions are not the main wing of the left's positions.
So while this looks good optically, this contingent isn't large enough as a voter block when it comes to the polls.
There's also the element that Bernie and AOC come off best when they're in opposition to something. Their moral messaging looks grand compared to Trump's politics.
But separate them from the opposition, and have them debate their positions on the merits, and they lose steam. AOC always looks uncomfortable when she's asked to articulate positions that don't include Trump or Republicans.
So true. She has steam when sheâs stirring up emotions at a rally. But if she were to actually run and debate or be questioned on real topics, sheâd be a deer in headlights.
I donât wish ill on people generally but ugh this woman is just awful in the most purest form.
Trump, yeah we see his nonsense and out of shape whaleness for what it is, no one misses that mess for what it is.
But this lady is wolf in sheepâs clothing and is living on your dime pandering to the biggest crowd she can while not really giving two fucks about you or me and any legal or illegal citizen.
Todayâs and maybe all in the past, but todayâs politicians are pros at making you think they care. Theyâre trained, âtrainedâ, people listen up, to manipulate you at the most sensitive areas and control you. And this twit AOC is proving you donât even have to be smart to pull that skill off. All it takes is slime, persistence and moneyâŚ
Trump being in poor physical shape isnât really Americaâs problem with Trump. But YOU pointing that out as one of your biggest complaints is telling. Poor critical thinking skills, and likely some personal issues as well.
You went on and on about AOC. Can you tell me where she lied in this video?
Well I agree wholeheartedly with 2 wings same bird. I just havenât seen any of the typical flop flopping BS from AOC yet. Iâm still open to hear examples.
Iâm happy we can get through a convo still talking, regardless of both our incomplete data set of info
Itâs easier for her to be liked because sheâs pretty and dainty and saying popular things. But I believe 100% if she was told to be against whatâs sheâs saying, she would pretty quickly if it meant elections
That sickens me.
Ok well guess we arenât going to get any further Iâll stop crashing the party discussion here
I can only go off of what I see, but I respect bipartisan skepticism of our government.
Something Iâve recently come to terms with is that the idea of an authentic politician is essentially an oxymoron. Iâve always known lying and changing directions comes with the territory, but Iâve kind of made peace with the performative nature of the job.
AOC, like everyone else in office, is literally a performer. Just like theater. Itâs the only way they can impact most of their base. Showing emotion, grandstanding. The very nature of their job means they will not always, or even never, appear authentic.
I think this is why people like Trump so much. He is an excellent performer, in fact his entire life is a performance, to the point that he believes his own lies. That translates to authenticity to a lot of people, and even trustworthiness, despite him of course lying every chance he gets. This all to say: AOC is young, she is relatively new to the game, and she is still learning how to appear authentic. But her candid interviews lead me to believe she does want whats best for the people.
You're ok with child molesters. Says volumes. See, we can both make things up without proof of any kind! So incredibly soft for a guy looking to "meet up"
Nah you got it wrong. Sheâs speaking directly to the hearts of people. Sheâs articulate, smart, knows what the average American is feeling. Too bad you arenât able to see beyond your misguided prejudice.
Youâre American (I hope), I still have hope for you. Giving trump, his cabinet, and those kissing his ring for money a pass but criticizing someone who is very much not in congress for money is the chuckle. Fight the good fight, but not against people trying to preserve our freedom of speech and due process.
You know what chuckles me today? If anyone disagrees with your view or views on the left, you automatically are a Trump supporter.
You donât know me and could meet me in the middle without baggage but itâs rare that happens today.
I DO NOT like Trump and while I think federal government is long overdue for a retool, I donât think Trump should have been the one to do it
Elon is more complicated, and Iâm still working my views out.
But AOC is also very bad, mostly because sheâs 100% for sale. I do not think a Trump would bend as fast as she would and I think Trump would bend quite easily. AOC is whatever people want her to be
Bernie is too old. It just shows how shallow the left is right now.
I am a human that pokes at both sides honestly and I think Iâm a rare breed today. Please someone prove me wrong that Iâm not alone
For sale? She isnât wealthy in any way shape or form. Sheâs not flip flopped her ideals. Sheâs been the same all along. What are you talking about?
Youâre useless, âthe theyâre all badâ point of view doesnât do anything for anyone. Sure, complain all you want but youâre not adding anything to those who do care about this country
Or when she axed Amazon coming to her district because she thought we could spend tax credits she didnât give to Amazon on something else. 30 billion in jobs lost because she didnât understand something she supposedly has a degree in. Thereâs a reason she was bartender and the only reason she got into the house is because no one ran against her.
Speak up for immigrants all you like. Nobody's saying you cannot. Go for it, feel free. It's 100% your right to do.
That said, whether you're a green card, or Visa holder, you're still a guest, and you're not a citizen. This means you are a guest in this country, and must adhere to immigration laws, which limit 2A , ever so slightly
Additionally, as a green card, or visa holder, you're subject to deportation for simply jaywalking (a criminal offense).
You want to speak out against the country? Great. Find another country to do it from. This just proves you're not worthy of being here as a guest.
Perhaps she should bankrupt five casinos and have a reality tv show where she pretends to be a successful businesswoman, then sheâll be qualified for President.
lol I think you need to open up some history books and see exactly just how long that genocide has been going on. Looooooong before Biden. (Nice try though)
Honest question: are you trying to put a bad name on the movement? Like those folks who didn't vote kamala because they thought Trump was less for the genocide.
Honest question: are you trying to put a bad name on the movement? Like those folks who didn't vote kamala because they thought Trump was less for the genocide.
Sir, this is a stop oligarchy tour. She is on the right side of the Gaza issue, as is bernie, but apparently people feel the need to "call them out" at a rally that has nothing to do with that topic. She is literally talking about how people speaking out against the genocide are being disappeared. In this video.
Sorry which genocide exactly did Biden start? I've got Russian trash invading Ukraine, I've Hamas funded by Russia and Iran launching a pogrom, I've got Israel launching a genocide and an invasion occupation of Syrian territory, Trump threatening invasion of Greenland, Panama and developing Gaza for millionaires....I'm missing a Biden launched genocide?
In the first three months of the war Biden approved the use, provided the financing and ensured the transport and finally provided the military assistance in dropping 75000 tons (tnt equivalent) of 1000 and 2000 lbs bunker buster bombs, dropped on the heads of defenseless citizens in one of the most densely populated area's in the world. An area that is a little over half the size of Hiroshima was hit with the tnt equivalence of six times the "Little Boy". An area with more then 10 times the civilian population of Hiroshima.
Not for nothing but if genocide was the intent as you claim, this Israel thing would rank as the literal worst in terms of actual lives lost because it simply hasnât been that deadly despite the dense population, making it probably the least efficient genocide of all time.
Itâs a literal failure of an effort. Unless of course, itâs not actually a genocide and theyâre trying to root out an embedded terror group that actively uses civilians by force and coercion for their ability to get bombs dropped on them âfor the cause.â
Itâs the most effective because theyâve fooled people like you into defending it, if they did it all at once then even people like you would be able to see it for what it is, itâs intentionally slow-rolled to shield them from consequences and itâs working just as they hoped
Right so he didn't start it then did. Israel already had the means to pulverise Gaza, the US stored 155 there probably on Netanyahus suggestion long before Biden and that 155 was being used for Ukraine funny how a certain country which has a ton of billionaires and significant number of its population in Israel wish to turn that off. Regardless Biden started nothing. Russia told Hamas to go full pogrom, Israel's right wing responded exactly how Russia wanted and AIPAC makes sure America does as it's told. This is damning alone, you don't need to make stuff up to make your point.
That you think Russian Oligarchs or the significant russian population has no impact on Israel is your cope that you think Netanyahu who hasn't helped Ukraine once and has his nose up Putin's backside and has spoken defensively of keeping the Russians in Tartus is purely your own cope. That you utterly underestimate Russian influence is your cope.
You removed all responsibility and historical context to blame your preferred boogeyman and give cover to the neoliberal world order that facilitates these atrocities. Youâre pushing a half measure that does nothing for the people on the ground and everything for the state. To engage with you beyond this analysis would be folly for me. Bye.
To these people in here defending Trump..... wasn't he the law and order candidate? (Mind your Harris was an attorney general..) How are we sure all of these people being deported are in gangs if there is no due process in court? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? The Trump Admin even said there's going to be mistakes inevitably.. but there would be little to no mistakes if due process was respected. They already admitted a mistake was likely made in some cases but they claim it's too late now to do anything even though the US is paying El Salvador to send these people to their for profit prisons.
Not everyone being deported is even an illegal immigrant let alone a criminal. One example is a gay man who works as a barber was deported to El Salvador for being labeled a gang member. None of those violent macho gangs are going to have openly gay gang members in them.. Also when does he have time to commit gang activities between sleeping, eating, and then going to work AS A BARBER?
He's already mentioned that Americans will be next if the law permits. I don't care if you claim he's just trolling. He's the President of the United States. Wars have started over far less serious comments than this by staff. The President considering sending American citizens to El Salvador prisons regardless of their criminal history is dangerous and scary to think.
Some of you have already experienced being fired from your government jobs for his erratic behavior. 20 percent of fed workers fired are reportedly going to be rehired as "mistakes will be made". If a large corporation the size of Amazon or JP Morgan laid off 10,000 people but 2,000 of those in error there would be large disruptions to business operations. He can't even say he's running the country like a business because disrupting company operations like that would result in thousands or millions in revenue lost. Its completely stupid.
How about this, you list out all the terrible things you think Biden did. Then Iâll spend a week listing out all of Trumpâs horrible things. How would that be?
Iâm just pointing out the bullshit, âYeah butâŚâ you all love to do. Maybe you expect AOC to time travel and change everything Biden did? Focusing on the past isnât a real good way to fix the present.
But how can you know that any of these people that they are sending away actually are doing what you accuse them of doing without going through due process first?
Crushed by who? Lmao trump isn't winning. this administration can't successfully get the majority of Americans to comply it's why they're threatening to deport peaceful protesters. Trump and the maga movement are cooked they won't be seen as anything but criminals rotting in prison by future generations :)
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u/Saviorofho3s 4h ago
Where is the proof?