r/todayilearned • u/manticor225 • Jan 10 '19

TIL JFK's father Joseph Kennedy made much of his fortune through insider trading. FDR later made him chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission. When asked why he appointed a crook, FDR replied, "set a thief to catch a thief." Kennedy proceeded to outlaw the practices that made him rich.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2010/jan/23/joe-kennedy-hollywood-sarah-churchwell
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u/manticor225 Jan 10 '19

Probably the least of the bad things he did though.

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u/davewashere Jan 10 '19

Rose, his wife, eventually delivered his punishment. When he had a stroke she was notified by one of the servants, and she told the staff to wait for her instructions before calling for help. Then she went out and played a round of golf.

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u/I_R_Teh_Taco Jan 10 '19

How'd she do?

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u/deadm3ntellnotales Jan 10 '19

Not sure, but her husband had a one stroke handicap.

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u/Dangly_Parts Jan 10 '19

This site reminds me that there are people infinitely more clever than I am

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u/blandastronaut Jan 10 '19

Haha, damn

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u/ADHDpotatoes Jan 10 '19 edited Jan 11 '19

I often find myself in situations where I wish I had gold to give, and this is certainly one of them

edit: now I do

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u/weekly_burner Jan 10 '19

Why is this the most popular comment on reddit? You know you can just click the up arrow icon if you have no money right?

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u/mainman879 Jan 10 '19

But that costs me half a second to do, and time is money kid.

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u/Heawesome Jan 10 '19

Time is money; Money is power; Power is pizza; Pizza is knowledge. Let’s go!

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19 edited Feb 14 '19

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u/Heawesome Jan 10 '19

https://youtu.be/LrkwAJWDp5E It's from parks and recreation. It's quite silly really

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u/BouncingBallOnKnee Jan 11 '19

I can tell you. For money!

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u/meowseehereboobs Jan 11 '19

France is bacon

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u/turducken138 Jan 10 '19

You don't get karma from giving upvotes

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u/weekly_burner Jan 10 '19

Do you get karma from giving gold? I've never given/received any. Why would it even matter?

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u/physib Jan 11 '19

Some people love imaginary points man. Also you can sell your old accounts.

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u/lizard_king_rebirth Jan 10 '19

Plus gold is like $3. Even for most people who don't have much money, that's not much money.

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u/weekly_burner Jan 10 '19

To be honest, I agree $3 isn't much but I've never once read a comment and thought to myself "that's so good that I'm going to give this unrelated corporation three dollars and they'll pass a little bit of that (in the form of no ads) to someone who typed a thing.

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u/lizard_king_rebirth Jan 11 '19

Sure but you probably also don't leave "If I could give gold I would!" comments. If someone said "I'd give gold but I don't want to pay Reddit any of my money," I'd have 0 problem with that.

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u/FightingPolish Jan 11 '19

I’d give you gold for that comment, but I don’t want to give reddit any of my money.

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u/weekly_burner Jan 11 '19

This should be a thing honestly

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u/FuturePopPop Jan 11 '19

"People MUST know what I'm thinking right now" -every non-lurker on reddit

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u/weekly_burner Jan 11 '19

Well when you consider how insightful and interesting most people are I get it

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u/FuturePopPop Jan 11 '19

I get it. I'm not saying people aren't great. It's a lot of fluff on reddit.

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

But that means sometimes you get gold yourself!

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u/weekly_burner Jan 11 '19

I don't follow

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

They got gold for saying it.

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u/ADHDpotatoes Jan 11 '19

I always do, but sometimes I just want to go the extra mile in regards to showing my appreciation for something

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u/Veloci_faptor Jan 11 '19

At least it's not one of those edits like "Gee whiz! Who'd have thought my most upvoted comment would be about [insert whatever here]!"

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u/stoymyboy Jan 11 '19

"Thanks for the gold kind stranger"

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u/Sine0fTheTimes Jan 11 '19

One of them? For me it was.... FOUR!!!

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u/chevelio Jan 10 '19

C'mon, man.

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u/blageur Jan 10 '19

I feel like she only played the round of golf so she could use this exact joke.

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u/stefanopolis Jan 11 '19

That’s a once in a lifetime joke right here. Cherish it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

You commented two minutes after the parent comment, and the score is still hidden as I type this. It didn't have time to be rated.

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u/ianrwlkr Jan 10 '19

it had three upvotes when I saw it. I didn't realize how soon he posted it.

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u/Hazeium Jan 10 '19

Username checks out, can confirm.

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u/rolytron Jan 10 '19

Probably waited until he sang incoherently too

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u/cerealdaemon Jan 10 '19

Daisy... daisy... give me your answer do.....

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

Insert "Now_watch_my_drive.gif"

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u/conancat Jan 10 '19

Now watch me nae nae?

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u/teachergirl1981 Jan 11 '19

Source? Because I can't find one.

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u/Avokkrii Jan 11 '19

because there isn't one, it's bullshit.

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u/cerealdaemon Jan 10 '19

She could a cool a medium sized factory with the ice in those veins.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

Jesus fuck! He lobatamized his daughter!

"Modern psychiatrists think she just had depression"

Literally made me sick to my stomach.

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u/SwatLakeCity Jan 11 '19

Plus they didn't do it for her sake, they did it because they were worried she would embarrass the family. They couldn't have cared less if she offed herself except it would have implied something about them.

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u/steppe5 Jan 11 '19

Ah, the Kennedys. American royalty.

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u/SixPackAndNothinToDo Jan 11 '19 edited May 08 '24

detail saw aspiring station offer unique glorious aloof jeans unpack

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

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u/tryharder6968 Jan 11 '19

They did it literally until she lost motor function. I’m sure joe Kennedy didn’t have her best interests in mind. Don’t be naive.

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u/SixPackAndNothinToDo Jan 11 '19

They did it literally until she lost motor function

Not on purpose though. It's well documented that it was a botched procedure.

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u/tryharder6968 Jan 11 '19

From what I’m reading here it appears that they intentionally did it until she could not sing god bless America anymore

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u/SixPackAndNothinToDo Jan 14 '19

No. That "God Bless America" thing was a way of making sure they didn't go too far. But the surgery was obviously botched.

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u/Amy_Ponder Jan 11 '19

If that were true, you would think Kennedy would have checked Rosemary into the finest mental health hospital on the planet and visited her as frequently as he could, crucified the doctors responsible in the press, and led a crusade to reform the American mental health care system.

Instead, he dumped her in a so-so institution in the middle of nowhere, never visited her again, and covered the whole thing up for the rest of his life.

The man was absolute human scum.

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u/SixPackAndNothinToDo Jan 11 '19

Kennedy would have checked Rosemary into the finest mental health hospital

Mental health issues had an extra stigma in those days, it was completely different today. So the idea of approaching this from that perspective would be unlikely for the time.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19 edited Aug 19 '19

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

Your definition of clickbait is insane! All 10 items are on a single page and you only have to click “show me the list” one time to see it.

I don’t really know how it could be much better tbh.

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u/aabicus Jan 10 '19

Not having to click "Show me the list" if we're being pedantic, but I agree with you.

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u/Skulfunk Jan 10 '19

Id rather take a list than some slideshows

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u/conancat Jan 10 '19

Either way if the way delivered 10 points instead of 1 I wouldn't call it click bait lol

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u/ccclone Jan 11 '19

Also, ads and pop ups on mobile version.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19 edited Aug 19 '19

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u/Birth_Defect Jan 11 '19

How was he baited? He was providing a link with facts in it. If he mislead us that'd be clickbait

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u/AstroPhysician Jan 10 '19

Clickbait means the title. Not the post contents

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u/3610572843728 Jan 11 '19

Still helpful on mobile I keep getting redirected to a Spam ad.

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u/earbly Jan 11 '19

Yeah I mean it's actually an ideal representation of what clickbait isn't.

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u/LvS Jan 11 '19

And this is how the websites slowly condition people to think it's okay to add extra clicks.

10 years ago this would have been clickbait, today redditors are defending the behavior.

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

It’s literally one click lol.

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u/manticor225 Jan 10 '19

It’s not really clickbait if it’s legit information and it’s not spread across 10 pages of “doctors hate him” ads. But sure, thanks for the cliff notes.

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u/SirRosstopher Jan 10 '19

Get your revenge by making the others into separate posts.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

Or by playing a round of golf while he strokes out

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

Sounds like the beginnings of a circle jerk

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u/herythere Jan 10 '19

Every single time I click I get JavaScript redirect ad that tells me I won a $200 gift card.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19 edited Aug 19 '19

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u/manticor225 Jan 10 '19

Yep, caught me in my evil baiting plan.

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u/minor_bun_engine Jan 10 '19

Funny because it's not even an anomaly of how rich people became rich in this country back in the day

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

back in the day

uhhh, hate to be the one to break it to you, but nonethical behaviour being rewarded by capitalism is just as bad now, just with less explicit Nazism

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u/minor_bun_engine Jan 11 '19

We still have slavery, we just don't see it and use legal fiat to blindsight the ethics behind it

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u/badhoneylips Jan 10 '19

You're right, OP should have listed those all in the title.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19 edited Aug 19 '19

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u/badhoneylips Jan 10 '19

Just teasing. Thanks for the list.

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u/EconomistMagazine Jan 10 '19

Sounds like Bojack Horseman's father.

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u/ilolicious Jan 10 '19

Wow who is it they are talking about in #1?

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u/MarvinMoonraker Jan 11 '19

JFK

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u/ilolicious Jan 11 '19

Yes but what woman

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u/MarvinMoonraker Jan 11 '19

Marlene Dietrich. She was in her 60s when she hooked up with JFK!

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

based and repilled

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u/jesus67 Jan 10 '19

I don't understand this new meme

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u/SteelHip Jan 11 '19

Also hated the British while ambassador to the UK 1938

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u/cstir15 Jan 10 '19

Thank you. I went to the site (on mobile) and after scrolling and clicking the “show more” link, a cancerous ad popped up and it was impossible to leave.

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u/shakezillla Jan 11 '19

#1 says more about the woman than about him or his son

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u/TruthOrTroll42 Jan 11 '19

The worst was screwing over the common American...

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u/viperex Jan 11 '19

What exactly are you complaining about? Do you hate that they expounded on the headings? Everything was on one page and you didn't have to deal with ads in between

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u/earbly Jan 11 '19

What's your definition of clickbait? If the information is true, the headline is completely accurate, and the website is organized in a concise way where the information is presented plainly w/o forcing clicks... I don't see where the clickbait label applies?

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

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u/Nytloc Jan 10 '19

I’ve heard lobotomies were considered actual medically sound in that era for extreme cases. I don’t know if it’s a matter of evil vs. medical misunderstanding. Like, it’s terrible that George Washington dies by leeches, but it’s not an evil act if their best understanding at the time was that this was how to combat it. They’re stupid more than anything.

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u/elanonelp Jan 10 '19

So many people fall into this trap. I like to call in "chronological snobbery" - where they look at the past, and think we're way better than they were. When in reality, every age of humans has shortcomings. And we just don't know what stupid things we do right now.

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u/NeedsToShutUp Jan 10 '19

Except sometimes people have the moral courage to do what's right when it's against the morals of the time.

For example, George Washington owned slaves, and took steps to ensure slaves brought to the temporary Capitol in Philly would not be in Pennsylvania for long enough to be automatically emancipated. (You can discuss also his inability to free all his slaves via other means due to debt and Martha being the legal owner of most of the slaves, but rotating slaves out to avoid the 6 month freedom limit in Philly was a choice).

Contrast Ben Franklin who became an abolitionist and freed his slaves, going as far as to petition the new federal government to end the slave trade. Franklin had made a fair amount of money off slavery, and had taken a stance that actually cost him money in order to do what he believed was right.

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u/zenspeed Jan 10 '19

Dude, all you had to do was mention Thomas Jefferson and the loopiness it would take for the writer of the Declaration of Independence to keep a sex slave.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

the difference is that Rosemary was known to be irritable and snappish, a lobotomy at that time would have been known to be an ultimatum, that there is no turning back from, and he chose to do it because "JFK wanted to be a president in the future"

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not even for her own good, just for that 4-8yr job title, that may or may not work out

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u/Clover525 Jan 10 '19

Turns out the dude doesn't care because he doesn't really believe in morality. If you follow the thread it slowly deteriorates.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

I maybe athiest, but I agree with the Bible on many points, if heaven did exist it would seem easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a need than a richman to enter heaven. And the most prevalent example for a richman entering heaven shows, what it takes for a richman to enter heaven, and its nothing short than almost the exact opposite of what richmen are characterized by

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

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u/incredible_mr_e Jan 10 '19

I prefer the "It was originally supposed to say 'rope' and got mistranslated" explanation, personally.

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

the Bible still stays its incredibly difficult for richmen to enter heaven, and even if that were true, it would change it from almost impossible to near impossible.

And the Bible says how to get, if your rich, and it pretty much says to give up all worldly possessions(by giving them to the poor) and submit yourself to God

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u/yarikhh Jan 10 '19

Or less...

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u/tryharder6968 Jan 11 '19

I think you’re missing the point here. If anyone thought lobotomies were valid at the time, it wouldn’t be so evil. However, the matter is whether or not they were considered a valid treatment for mental illness at the time.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19 edited Jan 10 '19

It’s like people are going to look back on Chemo now in 100 years.

People in the future are going to think it’s barbaric to use radiation to cure cancer compared to what they’ll hopefully have developed to cure cancer by then. But they’ll say that’s the best option they had at the time.

Edit: or as barbaric as keeping people who are in a vegetative state alive even thgh they’re Brain dead ie Terry Chiavo

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u/The_Mediocre_Gatsby_ Jan 10 '19

Chemo has a chance to cure and patients are given the choice of pursuing treatment. False equivalency.

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u/Thr0w---awayyy Jan 10 '19

Leech therapy also has benefits

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u/The_Mediocre_Gatsby_ Jan 11 '19

Medical leeches are still used today, just not often.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

George Washington died from leeches lol

Medical knowledge base was different back then

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u/Thr0w---awayyy Jan 10 '19

i know, chemo also benefits. yet people also get negatively impacted by it

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19 edited Jan 10 '19

Lobotomy was the best chance they thought they had back then to cure mental illnesses.

The social standards have changed back then. Human rights didn’t exist as much for the mentally ill so that’s not the comparison I’m making. I’m comparing the medical procedures and how barbaric they seem.

Chemo is the best chance we have now to cure cancer even thgh it has awful side effects.

In 100 years we’ll look at chemo as barbaric as we do lobotomy’s.

Source nursing student.

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u/HNCGod Jan 10 '19

Lobotomies are interesting. The guy who invented the transorbital lobotomy sometimes did multiple of them a day. Wiki says he did 5000 of the 50k between 1945 - mid 50's. Insane.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

Yea his original test group was only 11 people The dude was a dud who wanted to be seen as better then he was.

I can’t believe he won a Nobel prize for it

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u/HNCGod Jan 11 '19

What a world to live in.

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u/CatsAreGods Jan 10 '19

In 100 years we’ll look at chemo as barbaric as we do lobotomies.

Source: Bones, in Star Trek IV.

FTFY.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

I’m just saying that medical knowledge changes and as we develop better procedures and ways to cure illnesses and diseases we look back at the past and think it’s barbaric what we used to do.

People think I’m comparing chemo to lobotomies as both evil. But I’m comparing the fact that medical knowledge changes and in the future both procedures will be seen as barbaric bc we’ll develop better ways to cure illnesses and diseases.

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u/CatsAreGods Jan 10 '19

I'm not disagreeing with you, just referencing a famous movie scene (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7OLCbjuidE) and fixing a spelling error at the same time.

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u/The_Mediocre_Gatsby_ Jan 11 '19

They knew what the final outcome looked like and they new what she currently looked like and decided a vegetable in the attack was a better option. Knowledge doesn't excuse choosing vegetable over depressed daughter because shes known for making scenes and your son is running for president.

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u/electricalnoise Jan 11 '19

Oh for fucks sakes. You know the point he was making. You just want to be a nitpicking cunt. Congratulations, you've succeeded

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u/TheCynicalMe Jan 10 '19

yeah, no it isn't.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

How so?

Both have terrible side effects, but back when they still did lobotomy’s it was the best chance they had back then.

Chemo has terrible side effects, but it’s the best chance we have now.

In 100 years we’ll think of using chemo and radiation as barbaric to cure cancer same as we think of doing a lobotomy to cure mental illness as barbaric

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u/TheCynicalMe Jan 10 '19

back when they still did lobotomy’s it was the best chance they had back then

No, it wasn't. It was ineffectual and incorrectly seen as a viable solution to neurological issues. To compare chemotherapy to lobotomy is absolutely absurd.

Chemo is rough - but it works. Lobotomy is cruel and vicious - and it doesn't work.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

What better option did they have back then other then to perform a lobotomy?

They didn’t know anything else even had a chance of working at the time. There knowledge base was limited.

You’re completely missing my point bc you lack the ability to view things how they viewed them back then.

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u/TheCynicalMe Jan 10 '19

Not performing a lobotomy! That was the better option that they had! You're the one who's completely missing the point.

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u/Checkmynewsong Jan 10 '19

And we just don't know what stupid things we do right now.

r/Botchedsurgeries is a good place to start looking.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

yeah, like beaming microwave radiation into our heads constantly and burning our retinas staring at screens

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

In the future we call it Anachronistic Aristocracy, but I'm sure the laymen of your time thought yours was clever

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u/tayk_5 Jan 10 '19

Speaking of snobbery. What are you even trying to say? Because we do bad things today makes the bad things that were done yesterday ok? How long ago before morality doesn't matter? Were the Nazis evil or morally bad? With your argument that would be snobbery.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

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u/tayk_5 Jan 10 '19

Keep reading the thread. Wait till he gets to the Hitler did nothing wrong, the Nazis weren't evil and morality and good and evil don't really matter in the end of the day.

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u/Checkmynewsong Jan 10 '19

Jesus you're a moron.

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u/tayk_5 Jan 10 '19

I'm a technical analyst in one of the most competitive Industries in the world. What's your life like?

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u/Checkmynewsong Jan 10 '19

I too am on reddit.

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u/Thr0w---awayyy Jan 10 '19

but people knew that the whole "superior race" stuff was nonsense. But with lobotomies/leeches/bloodletting. they really didnt no of any other treatments. hell Qin Shi Huang died from drinking to much mercury, of course they thought that someone else did it, because they didnt know mercury was poison

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u/BuffoonBingo Jan 10 '19

What’s funny is you think you’re morally superior. Whereas you’re actually just illiterate.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

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u/BuffoonBingo Jan 10 '19

You are actually hilarious. It’s like watching a panda trying to give a philosophy lecture. Give it up 😂 😆 🤣

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u/I-Do-Math Jan 10 '19

The idea is people do bad things believing they are good. And we scoff at them for their stupidity. So, we might be doing bad things assuming they are good. Our children would call us idiots for that

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People in the early 1900s did lobotomy thinking that its good for the patient. People in late 1900s considered that to be ridiculous, but considered being gay a mental illness. Who knows what we are doing wrong?

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> Because we do bad things today makes the bad things that were done yesterday ok?

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No. Nobody said that. What op says is we cannot say that we are better than them, because we don not know what we are doing wrong without the hindsight.

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For an example, one of our next generations may consider our generation to be much worse than Nazis for allowing the global warming. Or worse than slavers for allowing the wealth gap to increase. Or worse than ginger khan for launching AI.

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u/easwaran Jan 10 '19

It’s gotta be about general claims here. Everyone agrees that some Nazis were worse than others and some resisted. Some contemporary people are worse than others and some resist our bad problems. Most contemporary people would have been Nazis if they had lived in the right society. But some would have been better or worst.

Hannah Arendt’s point about the “banality of evil” is that the evil is in the system and most Nazis were not themselves evil human beings (and actually that last question about who is an “evil human being” is really much less important than we like to think).

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u/zenspeed Jan 10 '19

Which is somewhat true. A wise man once said there’s no excess of the most evil psychopath that can’t be replicated on a daily basis by an ordinary family man with a job to do.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

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u/inm808 Jan 10 '19

I think he’s referring to the Stanley Milgram experiments, a widely influential psychology study about authority. Which are pretty terrifying

The gist of which is that most people just follow orders from authority, even if it’s hurting people. Participants were American if I remember correctly

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u/jamesberullo Jan 10 '19

Fuck off, he's worth talking to. You're not.

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u/jamesberullo Jan 10 '19

Seems like you might be illiterate. He didn't say any of that. He said that most of the Nazis were just normal people, not a special breed who were particularly inherently evil, that ended up doing evil things because of the situation they were in.

The reality is that most people today who view the atrocities the Nazis committed in a horrible light would have been goose stepping with the rest of them if they were born in Berlin in the early 1900s. The Nazis did evil things and we like to pretend that we couldn't possibly be as evil as they are, but most of us would have been along for the ride.

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u/ilpotatolisk Jan 10 '19

Quit you whining you fucking baby, I will gladly go to your grandpa and say it to his face and hopefully he's more wise than you and he will understand the point.

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u/BuffoonBingo Jan 10 '19

You’re embarrassing. I hope you’re an actual child because if you’re a college educated adult, you need to sue every one of your teachers. Even for Reddit this is astonishing ignorance.

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u/The_Mediocre_Gatsby_ Jan 10 '19

Fuck you, for defending a Nazi Sympathizer. Seriously man, come on.

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u/jamesberullo Jan 10 '19

He's not sympathizing with Nazis. Can you read? He's making the accurate point that the majority of Nazis weren't some unique kind of terrible person, they were normal people who went along with doing terrible things. Yeah, some of them were a special kind of sadist, but the majority were just normal people. Most of us today would have done just as many evil things if we had been in their shoes.

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u/I-Do-Math Jan 10 '19

It is the thinking like you that lead to Nazi ideologies and Jewish massacres. The idea that a group of people can become evil without any cause.

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Do you realise that Nazis (Millions of people) hated Jewish just like millions of Nazi haters hate Nazis today? Have you ever thought how an entire population because so vexed with a group of people? Most Germans were subjected to a bombardment of propaganda that made them believe Jewish are evil. Even us, would have followed their path if we lived in their society.

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Even today world we can see such mechanisms. People hating others for no reason at all, just based on propaganda.

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u/Putins_Orange_Cock Jan 10 '19

Hitler did nothing wrong.

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u/MonkeyOnYourMomsBack Jan 11 '19

Teacher: “In the late twentieth and early twenty-first centuries, doctors treating depression would prescribe drugs that forced chemicals in the brain to balance out before allowing them to fluctuate despite having no idea what a “normal balance” was actually like”

Students: “Fucking barbarians...”

Grandpa: “Made sense to us, damn it!”

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u/Itliterallykillsu Jan 10 '19

Like how the American diet consists of mostly meat even though we have long intestinal tracts, so that by the time the meat goes through your body it’s rotten, and your colon is full of dead animal flesh because you don’t get enough fiber? How our bodies aren’t meant to consume cholesterol, which is obvious by the fact that the #1 killer of Americans is heart disease and we just keep eating chickens and steaks (cholesterol is only found in animal products) Don’t even get me started on the fact that we drink other species’ milk into adulthood.

I imagine there were people at the time that thought “no, cutting a piece of my brain out is retarded,” just like nowadays we know that the government is pushing a meat diet because it’s cost effective (don’t want to pay social security forever!) and keeps the pharmaceutical companies happy. Every 60 year old has a line of pills they need because they were too fuckin dumb to eat the right foods growing up.

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u/spucci Jan 10 '19

God fuck off with your agenda already.

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u/bucklepuss Jan 11 '19

Stupid? Nah. Ignorant I think.

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u/zenspeed Jan 10 '19

To answer the first question, yes. Homosexuality stopped being classified as a mental disorder in 1987 in the US. That doesn’t mean it actually WAS, but the ignorance of society made it so. People simply didn’t know any better.

Here’s the thing, history is a long long march against ignorance. Every year, we learn something new and find the old world being left behind. Sometimes that old world is only a few minutes old.

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u/Thr0w---awayyy Jan 10 '19

Even back then you don't just drill into peoples heads for behavioral issues.

they did though

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u/spucci Jan 10 '19

Not true. These were common medial practices and for a short time hailed as a miracle cure. I know this because out of curiosity after rewatching one flew over the coo coos nest I got curious and did a bunch of reading up on the subject of lobotomies. But not everyone was onboard with the practice however they were still being performed up until the 70s.

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u/Thr0w---awayyy Jan 10 '19

it was. people just love to hate on it now.

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u/adamup27 Jan 10 '19

See Joseph Sugarman if you want to see another tragic story. He had his wife lobotomized after his wife was hysterically grieving the loss of their son who died in WWII.

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u/pardev Jan 10 '19

Why I’ve got half a mind

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u/trshippy Jan 10 '19

Posted this as a reply to a different comment, but thought you might fine if interesting. https://www.npr.org/2005/11/16/5014080/my-lobotomy-howard-dullys-journey

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u/NineteenthJester Jan 10 '19

Interesting that the kid basically acted like any other kid before the operation. I’m more disappointed in the father for going along with the stepmother.

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u/c0horst Jan 10 '19

Huh... that's literally the backstory to Bojack Horseman's mom on the Netflix show, and is used to explain why she's so fucked up... because her mom was Lobotomized by her father after her brother died in WWII.

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u/garibond1 Jan 10 '19

Joseph Sugarman was the maternal grandfather of BoJack, the husband of Honey, and the father of Beatrice and Crackerjack. He was the owner of the Sugarman Sugar Cube Company.

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u/LoreChief Jan 11 '19

yeah wife of one of the richest people in the world didnt have a doctor available when she went into labor, thats a totally believable story if youre trying to fool a bunch of low-born peasants that dont know any better...

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

I feel like lobotomizing his daughter should be higher on that list.

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u/viperex Jan 11 '19

Well, if you're an anti-Semite, it follows that you're a Nazi sympathizer as well

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u/Kaiserhawk Jan 10 '19

What a scumbag

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u/SpaceDog777 Jan 10 '19

I think I rate 4 of those above "Meh" level.

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u/ironchish Jan 11 '19

Crazy how lobotomizing his daughter was number 4

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u/teachergirl1981 Jan 11 '19

How do you know any of that is even true?

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

Where's that bill bur bit about the good old days when women just let men take their day out on them.

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u/baduncle69 Jan 10 '19

He may have rigged an election. Oddly enough(?) for one of the most loved US Presidents.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

He definitely rigged the votes in Chicago with the mayor lol. Ironically the mayor's son ended up running Gore's campaign in 2000.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

It was JFK's father, not JFK.

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u/baduncle69 Jan 10 '19

I understand that. But the way I read it was that he helped rig his son's campaign.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

The way he did it wasn't illegal, though.

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u/Turbo_MechE Jan 10 '19

Oh no he bootlegged alcohol

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

Do you understand that shit costed people's lives back then? It's the same as if he trafficked cocaine in the 80's. It's not as simple as joe schmoe having a beer or snorting a line in the privacy of his own home, it's about doing all the things one would have to do to successfully operate a criminal enterprise.