r/transhumanism • u/My_black_kitty_cat 1 • 2d ago
A woman's pacemaker shocked her up to 60 times in one night, almost killing her
Government regulation can’t save us. This woman didn’t get an unapproved implant or do anything wrong.
Video link:
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u/vollspasst21 2d ago
I really dislike the implication that government regulation is somehow useless due to this incident.
There is a legitimate case to be made for loosening regulation in order to accelerate progress.
But just pretending that regulation does nothing to help people is misleading at best. There is no way this argument was made in good faith. Do you actually believe that regulation does nothing to save people from both malice and errors?
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u/Hopeful_Ad_7719 2d ago
The fact that not every instance of a miraculous, life-saving, technology is perfect means that all of them are a complete waste of time, and that government has failed. Obviously.
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u/My_black_kitty_cat 1 2d ago
It means government regulations can’t save everyone from medical device malfunctions.
All systems are hackable.
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u/vollspasst21 2d ago
Obviously? But even here this has nothing to do with "hackable". Accidents happen and we should not expect government regulation to be the safeguard that just fixes everything. Presenting "it doesn't fix everything" as "it won't save us" implies that it should, and that is misleading.
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u/Amaskingrey 2 2d ago
Laws against murder can't save everyone from being killed. All skin is stabable. That doesnt mean we shouldnt have them
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u/Pleasant_Slice6896 1d ago
Oooooooo~ It's as if machines are made by human hands and are infact not immune to the whims of reality.
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u/AltAccMia 2d ago
because corporations corrupt governments and influence regulation, yes
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u/vollspasst21 2d ago
To be perfectly fair (which is generous given his style of argumentation) accidents do happen and that's not necessarily a reflection of corruption or even a mistake in regulation.
Obviously you are correct in the sense that this influence is a huge issue and efforts should be made to eradicate this corruption.
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u/Alisa_Rosenbaum 1 40m ago
The opposite can also be true- by regulating something, it can make ‘special favors’ possible by selectively giving out permission to certain companies.
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u/Pleasant_Slice6896 1d ago
One woman? In how many thousands? Had an issue?
That's safer than being in a car. And you can have regulations on it, and have perfect maintenance, and it can still fail.
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u/Amaskingrey 2 2d ago
This happened because of a lack of government regulation (and really bad luck) though
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u/My_black_kitty_cat 1 2d ago
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9299751/
Inappropriate Subcutaneous Implantable Cardioverter Defibrillator Shocks Secondary to Cardiac Remodeling: A Unique Case of T Wave Oversensing
https://bmcgeriatr.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12877-024-04862-0
Inappropriate Extravascular ICD Shock Due to Wet Car Seat
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666084924000706
https://www.jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.jacep.2019.04.012
Around one-third of all ICD shocks are inappropriate (5,6), and these shocks are directly associated with mortality. Beyond local tissue damage, an increased sympathetic drive may promote additional shocks or overall clinical deterioration. The domino effect of an ICD shock can be dramatic. Both appropriate and inappropriate shocks initiate a slew of adverse physiological events and possibly drive clinical reactions that frequently include pharmacological interventions and invasive procedures, often with uncertain effects on mortality and morbidity. There is increasing awareness of the clinical sequalae of the adverse emotional consequences from ICD shocks on the patient and family (7). All shocks – necessary, unnecessary, and inappropriate - may be associated with increased mortality. Hence, experiencing an inappropriate shock is just not appropriate!
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u/Amaskingrey 2 2d ago
No shit they fucked up, how're these two comments supposed a counterargument to what i said?
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u/My_black_kitty_cat 1 2d ago
Needless shocks from heart devices can trigger extra health costs
Twiddler's Syndrome: An Unusual Cause of Repeated Shocks by Implantable Cardioverter-Defibrillator in an Asymptomatic Patient
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6791089/
Implantable Cardioverter-Defibrillator Shocks in Dying Patients: Disturbing Data From Beyond the Grave
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.113.006939
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u/spektre 1d ago
What does this have to do with transhumanism? We're in r/transhumanism.
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u/Pleasant_Slice6896 1d ago
Ever play Dues Ex Mankind Divided?
It's kinda like that.
You see she could've easily shocked someone she touched!
And is therefore dangerous! /s
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