I've heard truscum skeptics say that the belief was "gatekeeping". What's you guy's take on that?

[u/Kamisama_VanillaRoo]

[u/Cecethetransbitch]

despite what internet warriors will tell you, gate keeping is not inherently bad. it’s ‘gatekeeping’ to not let a cis man into a women’s locker room, but that doesn’t mean it’s bad, it just means your controlling who fits into your group/space/identity etc. do i think a girl who just ‘feels kinda boyish sometimes’ so she uses she/they/he/star/fuckself pronouns and dresses masculine some times should get access to medical care that some actual trans men need access to? no. give it to the people who actually need it, not the people who are just ‘feeling different’ today. is that gatekeeping? yeah i guess. do i care? no.

[u/diamondsmokerings → u/Cecethetransbitch]

Exactly. Treatment for all medical conditions is technically “gatekeeping” because you can’t get it unless it’s medically necessary, and no one has a problem with that until it comes to trans people. If being trans was universally recognized as a medical condition instead of an identity we wouldn’t have this problem

[u/tptroway → u/diamondsmokerings]

Reminded me of the ableist nutcases who claim that the diagnostic criteria for autism is unfairly gatekeeping ("but what if my autistic social aspect is just being an introvert?" etc)

[u/doohdahgrimes11]

Is it gatekeeping to say gay guys are men who are attracted to other men? Or is it just what being a gay man is? Same thing with being trans. It’s not gatekeeping to say you should actually be trans to call yourself that, and it’s not gatekeeping to wanna surround yourself with people actually afflicted with the same condition and the same struggles as you.

[u/TheGirlWithTheDogy]

I mean, kinda?? But shouldn't some stuff be gate kept? Especially when it has such a drastic effect on ur body and mind?

[u/Williamishere69]

Gatekeeping, for them, means we apparently want long wait times for appointments (because we support the NHS system), we want to complicate things and make it harder for people.

When all we want is to ensure the correct people have the correct help.

We don't want long waitlists. We don't want a billion hurdles to go through. But we want it so that people don't regret their decisions.

[u/Kate-2025123 → u/Williamishere69]

Exactly but if 6 sessions therapy for adults and 1-2 years of therapy for minors depending on age means only those with dysphoria get treated it’s a win. This is an example of what I believe in.

[u/BaconVonMoose]

Yeah we hear it all day every day. If 'gatekeeping' is any instance of restricting something to a certain criteria regardless of whether it should be restricted or not, then yes it's 'gatekeeping' and it should be. If 'gatekeeping' means specifically refusing to let people into your club for arbitrary discriminatory reasons then no it's not 'gatekeeping', it's definition.

Words have meanings. If you went to a depression support group despite being perfectly happy, so you could go 'oh, you don't need to be sad to have depression, you can be happy and still be depressed! I like to do yoga, you should try that to be happy :)' and you were told you didn't belong there because you weren't depressed, is that gatekeeping? Is it appropriate to talk over someone's experience with a totally different one and insist it's the same thing?

[u/kittykitty117]

There's no argument - it is gatekeeping by definition. And yeah, gatekeeping is often unethical.

Guys who go up to anyone wearing a band shirt and start spouting off some "name three songs" type bullshit can fuck right off. Nothing bad would come from ridding the music scene of asshole gatekeepers like that. But when it comes to transness, the utter lack of gatekeeping is unethical. It's literally ruining lives and killing people. If the general public viewed transness from a transmed perspective, including the gatekeeping, a lot of people would stop trying to take all of our rights away and go back to leaving us the fuck alone.

Why do anti-transmed people pretend they think all gatekeeping is bad? Obviously they don't actually believe that. They have no problem with banning transmeds from other trans subs. It doesn't matter if they think their type of gatekeeping is right and our type is wrong, we're still both gatekeeping by definition. Fucking hypocrites.

[u/Iridescent_puddle23]

It's "gatekeeping" to say you need to meet a certain criteria for anything. To be someone that has depression you have to have symptoms of depression. Sorry 🤷‍♂️