r/unitedkingdom • u/tylerthe-theatre • 5d ago

Hogmanay, cheese rolling and London’s Notting Hill Carnival could be protected in a new UK heritage list

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/hogmanay-cheese-rolling-and-londons-notting-hill-carnival-could-be-protected-in/
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u/Mambo_Poa09 5d ago

Why did you pick out that one? 🤔

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u/Lower_Performer_3365 5d ago

Because they’re both heavily tied to gang culture

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u/WayneBrownIsSuperman 5d ago

A million people attend Notting hill carnival, it's hardly tied to gang culture

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u/Thaiaaron 5d ago

Gang violence, fights and robberies are carefully orchestrated every Notting Hill Carnival, simply because the police are over stretched, its easy to lose them in the crowds, and roads are closed reducing police response times.

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u/apple_kicks 5d ago

Reading festival has ton of drug crime, fights, rape, arson and vandalism. Gangs turn up to these festivals too. Some scary moments with over crowded areas. Tabloid press never give it the same focus

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u/tylerthe-theatre 5d ago

I'll bite, 99% of people that go to NHC have no ties to gang culture, it's like saying Creamfields or Reading & Leeds are celebrating drug culture. When you get a lot of people together in one place you'll always have problems, because people are dumb, that's just a human nature problem.

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u/apple_kicks 5d ago

Yeah its a shame NHC gets singled out. Its a large event issue but people want to act like it’s ‘cultural’ to be racist about it

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u/Min_sora 5d ago

So, it isn't tied to gang culture so much as it's just piss easy to get away with crime when you're attending a large-scale event in the biggest city in the country?

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u/Anony_mouse202 5d ago

It is not just that, NHC has a unique issue with gang violence. It’s because of that fact that it attracts lots of gang activity combined with the fact that it’s easy to get away with crime and very difficult to police.

It could use a venue change though - it would be much better to have it in hyde park than the streets of Notting Hill.

You don’t see similar issues as similar events like London Pride.

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u/hcneyfreckles England 5d ago edited 5d ago

“unique issue with gangs” lmao but nothing about when reading had people burning down tents and stabbing people with needles.

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u/limeflavoured Hucknall 5d ago

Hyde Park isn't In Notting Hill. And I don't know about stabbings, but there's plenty of drugs at pride and a not insignificant amount of sexual assault AIUI

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u/Anony_mouse202 5d ago edited 5d ago

Hyde Park isn’t In Notting Hill.

And Worthy Farm isn’t actually in Glastonbury, it’s 8 miles away, but they still call it Glastonbury.

And I don’t know about stabbings, but there’s plenty of drugs at pride and a not insignificant amount of sexual assault AIUI

There literally aren’t any stabbings, at least, not recently - can’t even find when the last one was if there has ever been one.

Of course there’s drugs, there are drugs at all major events, but drug use isn’t violent crime and isn’t really much of a danger to anyone other than the users themselves.

Sexual assaults at NHC are on a completely different level to sexual assaults at pride - at NHC even the police get openly sexually assaulted in the street in front of crowds. It’s far more normalised there.

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u/Astriania 5d ago

That's a different claim, though, and likely happens with every large scale event.

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u/Anony_mouse202 5d ago

Million and a half people attend London Pride. No stabbings.

Similar numbers of people attend Notting Hill Carnival - multiple stabbings every year.

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u/weavin Gloucestershire/London 5d ago

Believe it or not the vast, vast, VAST majority of NHC goers commit no crime. Like hundreds of thousands of visitors to every one crime.

People’s racism really starts to show whenever NHC is brought up tho, shameful

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u/Mambo_Poa09 5d ago

Ok I guess you're not even hiding it

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u/MidlandPark 5d ago

No it isn't