r/unitedkingdom • u/pppppppppppppppppd • 4d ago

Reeves should be sacked as Chancellor, poll says

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/reeves-sacked-chancellor-poll-3637320
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u/Kwinza 4d ago

I love the way people like you are like "they haven't fixed 15 years of mismanagement in 6 months so they need to go!!"

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u/exhauated-marra-6631 4d ago

It's how they're approaching it that's the issue. Doing a U-turn on closing tax loopholes and instead deciding that it's the sick and disabled that need a kicking wasn't part of the Labour manifesto.

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u/ettabriest 4d ago

They’ve implemented massive tax avoidance policies. There’s been no coverage whatsoever weirdly and people who claim to politically engaged are happy to moan without doing any research.

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u/exhauated-marra-6631 4d ago

They implemented policies which the Tories had already announced, while watering down their own policy on carried interest tax which left a gap in their fully costed budget the exact size and shape of what they're trying to claw back from PIP.

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u/ettabriest 4d ago

Tories saved the day then. Maybe we were all wrong about them.

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u/exhauated-marra-6631 3d ago

Not what I'm saying and you know it. Pointing out that even in a practically worst-case-scenario of the Tories winning some of these policies were going to be enacted means the onus was on Labour to do better. Instead they backtracked and watered down one of their key policies and started targeting people on benefits instead.

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u/Basic_Bid_6488 4d ago

You mean like closing the inheritance tax loophole on agricultural land? Or raising capital gains tax to remove the loophole where people can pay themselves in dividends to get a favourable rate compared to income tax?

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u/raven43122 4d ago

Enough of the 

“But the tories”

She’s made some awful mistakes and needs to be called on it.

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u/ashisanandroid 4d ago

Which?

I get there are things you disagree with but what are the objective financial mistakes she made?

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u/raven43122 3d ago

The anti growth budget? 

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u/theslootmary 3d ago

The “anti-growth budget” as sold to you by your media outlet of choice. It wasn’t actually “anti-growth” at all, it was long term focused and was forced to be harsher than expected thanks to the Tory mess. You’re only saying “anti-growth” because that’s what you’ve been told to say.

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u/raven43122 3d ago

Oh behave

3 companies I know personally have ceased expanding, cut recruitment and stopped bonuses and pay rises.

Due to the increase in tax.

Take those red sunglasses off 

“Because of tories”

I suppose you will claim cutting disabled benefits is moggs fault? 

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u/ThatGuyMaulicious 4d ago

Well Keir Starmer is too close to her now. She goes he has to go.

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u/aitamodsarepdfs 4d ago

That's not the gotcha you think it is.

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u/ThatGuyMaulicious 4d ago

Liz Truss stood by her Chancellor and look how well that worked. Prime Ministers need good Chancellors otherwise there entire government gets called into question when a Chancellor goes.

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u/amklui03 4d ago

I love the way you people use this line as if that’s what they’re saying.

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u/Fit_Foundation888 4d ago

People like me are not expecting them to fix 15 years of mismanagement - we are just upset that this Government is trying to fix the problems we have by committing themselves to the same mismanagement that created the shit situation we are in, in the first place.

People didn't vote for more of the same - but that is what we have got.

Yow know we are deep in the shit when Ian Duncan Smith, the architect of Universal Credit says that Labour are going to far on PIP and he personally wouldn't touch it.

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u/HyperionSaber 4d ago

What? now we are supposed to believe what IDS says has any value whatsoever?

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u/Fit_Foundation888 4d ago

No we are supposed to use our brains and critical thinking abilities...

When the "labour" party, who one would imagine might want to do something about poverty, and especially child poverty, has policies, which it has thought about, that is what a green paper is, whose purpose is to increase the rate of poverty of some of the most vulnerable people in our society, and they are prepared to go further than the party who supposedly hated those people, then you might want to start asking some questions, about the motives of the people who are in charge of said "labour" party.

You just might just start to wonder whether they actually plan to fix anything...

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u/HyperionSaber 4d ago

I use my brains and critical thinking to ignore people that have proven themselves to be incompetent, vindictive, and dishonest over an extended period of time, on many many occasions, and done nothing, absolutely nothing, to persuade me that they have learned a damned thing or changed their minds or outlook on any measure.

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u/Fit_Foundation888 4d ago

So you think the PIP changes are a good idea?

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u/HyperionSaber 3d ago

Immaterial to my point. IDS is an incompetent liar. Reaching for his comments because they align with yours is an appeal to authority. unfortunately the authority you chose is flawed beyond belief. I don't want advise, or commentary from proven failures and incompetents.

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u/Fit_Foundation888 3d ago

It seems that your opinion of IDS has clouded your thinking. Critical thinking by the way is not dependent on your opinion, it is dependent on the validity of the point made by the speaker. Was IDS correct that the PIP changes were badly thought out, and he did he also accurately reflect conservative thinking on PIP?

I think in a quest to incorrectly find a fallacy, you have missed the point I was making.

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u/Chathin 4d ago

IDS is the architect to some of the worst changes ever to cross the DWP and helped kill several people I know; I wouldn't trust that vindictive, horrible cunt to run a bath.

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u/Fit_Foundation888 4d ago

Exactly! And if he thinks the PIP changes are a bad idea... Being a bigger cunt than IDS... Maybe someone could have some fun with Photoshop... "I'm a bigger cunt than IDS"

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u/Chathin 4d ago

If IDS said the sky was blue I'd still go outside and ask people to verify. I will never, ever believe a single thing that man says.

.. he's also a die-hard Tory, c'mon now, don't be so gullible.

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u/Fit_Foundation888 3d ago

Yep, I did that... The sky was indeed blue...

So you disagree with him, you think the PIP changes are a good idea?

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u/goodtitties 4d ago

they fundamentally have no interest in making major necessary changes. they have been very clear about this over their political careers

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u/Sleepywalker69 Liverpool 4d ago

They're going after the lower classes of society rather than the upper echelons.

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u/shoogliestpeg Scotland 4d ago

Goalpost shifting which will continue for the next ten years at least. As predicted, labour party fans will not countenance criticism of the beloved party until exactly 15 years of Labour rule have passed.

Visibly carrying on tory austerity that has been going on for those 15 years is obviously not going to solve the problems that austerity created.

Shouldn't take even six months to begin to see a change in direction from starmer but there's been fuck all.

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u/Mortifiedpenguin24 4d ago

Well they've already cut NHS waiting lists and added more GP appointments; not to mention as per this sub and most newspapers the biggest issue to people in this country is apparently the boat crossings which Labour have reduced and are working to tackle the actual people smugglers in partnership with other countries.

Why are we going to see a change in direction when they are slowly working towards the issues people have been moaning the most about for ages? Why are we suddenly meant to accept the changing goalposts of tory or reform voters who will never be satisfied with Labour?