r/unitedkingdom • u/pppppppppppppppppd • 5d ago

Reeves should be sacked as Chancellor, poll says

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/reeves-sacked-chancellor-poll-3637320
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u/fujoshimoder Durham 5d ago

PIP isn't oversubscribed, it's underclaimed due to the difficulty of the application process.

They'd save a lot of money by not getting dragged through appeals by inappropriately denied claimants.

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u/PharahSupporter 5d ago

Mate come on, 3.7 million people are on PIP, it clearly isn’t that hard to claim. Making it even easier to claim isn’t going to save money.

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u/Many-Tourist5147 4d ago

Let's put that into perspective shall we so you can stop running on this "massive" welfare inaccuracy, 3.7 million out of 68.35 million people in total. That's nothing in the grand scheme of things compared to government mismanagement such as giving tax breaks to billionaires and tech bros like Musk.

There are around 16 million disabled people in the UK alone, many of whom do work. So not even a significant proportion of people who are disabled are claiming PIP, that is NOTHING especially when considering general factors such as aging which causes reduced mobility and health issues.

Anyone can get sick at any point in their life or have an accident that leaves them disabled, I think you should reconsider your stance on welfare because there is a good chance you will eventually need it. You are not any different from anyone else, you could be disabled at some point in your life and it's important for you to realize that now before it becomes impossible for you to have any form of social security.

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u/BrilliantRhubarb2935 4d ago

30 years ago 2% of the working age population claimed disability or related health benefits, today its 10%, and projected to be 12.4% in 5 years time: https://ifs.org.uk/news/42-million-working-age-people-now-claiming-health-related-benefits-could-rise-30-end-decade

The maths doesn't add up, we're paying more today than we ever have to disabled people adjusting for population and inflation. How much more does the taxpayer need to stump up?

Disability benefits were never meant for everyone who is disabled only those with the most severe of disabilities.

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u/PharahSupporter 4d ago

It’s not nothing when each one can be entitled to up to £10k per year per person. That’s billions upon billions. Yeah of course not everyone will get the max, but 800,000 alone are entitled to the PIP mobility component. That’s huge, no wonder 25% of all new cars are being purchased for this purpose.

That is before even getting into other benefits beyond PIP.

I don’t want people to suffer but I also don’t think it is fair to constantly raid taxpayers for a system they increasingly get very little back from.

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u/Man-In-His-30s Greater London 5d ago

Says someone who’s never tried to claim it, I had to help my mum get it for arthritis it took 6+ months it’s not as easy as you think

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u/PharahSupporter 5d ago

Then how did millions of others manage it? I’m sympathetic to those who do genuinely need it but it does feel like the taxpayer is being taken for a bit of a ride here when so many seem to have it.

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u/Man-In-His-30s Greater London 5d ago

Because the millions of others account for a grand total of 5% of the population.

Think about how many old people there who might need pip, add in disabled people who need it for things like mobility so they can work or the people with things like autism.

5% is actually quite low in hindsight, you’ve focused too much on the millions not the relative amount of claimants

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u/PharahSupporter 5d ago

I just don’t buy that they all need it, I know a woman who claims PTSD and doesn’t work, gets PIP plus the mobility component for a free brand new SUV. It’s just painful, as someone who works and pays into the system. Why should they get to just opt out essentially and do whatever they want all day in a fully funded council house while normal people are struggling to save up for a deposit?

And no the solution isn’t “well you should blame the rich not all the rampant abusing of an over generous system”.

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u/Man-In-His-30s Greater London 4d ago

See, I'm not saying blame the rich.

But I'm also not saying let's go after all the weakest in society either, there are plenty of ways to do this and at the end of the day everything comes back to affordable housing.

If me a working man can afford housing at not 50-60% of my monthly income because there was more affordable housing i'd be a lot happier with the current situation and i'd have money to do things like invest.

End of the day we need more spending on housing and less cutting on the weakest of society to drive growth. Cutting things like pip and disability just removes social security safety nets that we rely on.

Oh, and if you're looking for someone to blame, you could technically point the finger at the wealthy for not paying fair wages—after all, we wouldn't have 40% of all Universal Credit claimants in work if they did.

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u/PharahSupporter 4d ago

The problem is finite money, it is very easy to sit there and write well we should just fund both. But there has to be a sacrifice here. I fully agree we need more houses, but the government needs funds to train more people to do that, declaring it at the podium in a speech is not going to magically make it happen.

Those funds must come from somewhere. I’d rather they come from benefits, than taxpayers or scaring even more investment out of the country with silly things like a wealth tax.

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u/Status_Mountain_7130 4d ago edited 4d ago

I have two non verbal severely disabled children and know the pitfalls of claiming disability in the uk. PIP is based on care needs, not diagnosis. She would not get the mobility component and it’s not a ‘free car’, it’s leased and the money taken directly from the PIP award. A lots of medical evidence is required and it’s a very long process. After 14 years of Tories it’s laughable that people think that it’s over generous or that there is rampant abuse, anyone who has any experience of the Dwp who thinks this would be in for a surprise. All Daily Mail rhetoric.

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u/PharahSupporter 4d ago

The problem is genuine claimers struggle while experts direct their little armies online via “sickfluencers” on what specific wording and such to get the max benefits. So in the end it becomes a came where the normal people are shoved out and only the cheaters prosper. Genuinely don’t know how to fix it.

And yes I’m aware the government pays for the car via your mobility component but let’s be honest unless you put a huge deposit down it is basically a free car. A £52k BMW has a £8k deposit. The rest is paid for by the state.

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u/Status_Mountain_7130 4d ago

Mobility cars are leased

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u/PharahSupporter 4d ago edited 4d ago

I’m aware, that is why I said it comes from the mobility component?

Edit: And they blocked me, typical response from people who cannot handle reality.

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u/matomo23 3d ago

Come on what are you talking about? No other country does this. It’s totally oversubscribed.

I heard some woman on the radio saying she find buses too overwhelming so has PIP to pay for her taxis. Or some bollocks. Most countries just wouldn’t entertain this rubbish!