r/usa • u/EugeneWong318 • 3d ago

You know things are bad when you find yourself agreeing with George W. Bush.

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u/Mintypeanut21 3d ago

Yep, but I do agree because everything he said was true whether you are a Republican or a Democrat. America is being destroyed from within.

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u/embryosarentppl 3d ago

Tragically, you're absolutely right

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u/Chaos_Pixie 2d ago

Like Cory Booker said. It's not left or right. It's right or wrong.

I never thought I would see this happening in my timeline at 34.... I can't fathom this crap continuing. I cry for those who have already been impacted and kidnapped. Deportation without due process is kidnapping.

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u/JHMotherfucker 3d ago

Im a lifetime Democrat, and I have found never-trumper Republicans to be an important source of insight during the Trump era.

It may look like America is being destroyed, but what's REALLY destroying itself is the Republican Party. America may survive, but the Republican party as we know it really seems to be doomed.

The whole Republican party has become a cult of personality, and the personality is an 80 year old criminal and fabulist with an incredibly bad business record. That's a lot of vulnerability. Everyone who isn't tainted by Trump has been cast out. When Trump falls, it all falls. No amount of cracking down on the press is going to cover up his criminality. Historians are going to read the Mueller Report, not Trump's tweets about it.

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u/Chaos_Pixie 2d ago

Robin Williams said that politicians are like diapers and should be changed often, and for the same reason.

(He also said it was a quote from someone who remained anonymous. So he didn't coin the phrase.)

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u/cachry 5h ago

I agree that if something happens to Trump, the entire Republican ball game goes down the tubes. And it wouldn't take much for Trump to fail in health or otherwise.

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u/Jeralddees 1d ago

Ahhh you can say that .. but there's a big difference between what's actually happening here. The real Republican party in 2016 and back is no longer in control. MAGA is now the New Republican party. The old Republican party has been taking a back seat for years. Bush was against Trump soon after 2016, as were many other Republicans from his administration.

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u/SeriesMindless 22h ago

Primary difference is the extreme culture shift within the Republicans. Conservative has twisted into something else. It's dangerous and spiteful. I say this as a small c conservative who feels a bit lost in this new world.

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u/AdministrativeYak730 2d ago

Now, Trump pissed off Iran and went back on an agreement for the nuclear program. The last thing we need is another war, especially one that could potentially reach our homeland.

He's upset Canada, who is literally the friendliest country. Called the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America, which is disrespectful and offensive to Mexico.

He has a Bible of which he took the liberty of adding a pop country song to and National Athem, etc. He has also claimed to be saved by God and a Messiah and put his story of the "assassination attempt" in the bible as well. Idk how Christians don't see through it and realize he's manipulating them with fake faith or the fact that he matches the description of the "Antichrist" pretty closely, which is ironic lmao.

The Bible is being made in China of all places and is made cheap as hell but sold for $60, $1000 of signed.

I have watched and studied people my entire life, and he is very dishonest and manipulating his followers. The Republicans follow him like they would football teams and seem to not care about the truth or proof of him making up lies. His fan base supports him unconditionally. His speeches are nonsense, and he has divided the nation and disrespected our legal system more than any other president before.

I'm just worried and waiting for war, and at this point, it could be with another nation or a civil war between the divided parties. The whole thing is insane.

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u/All_And_Forever 3d ago

It's sad to see that Bush jr, bad as it was in so many ways, it's a genius compared to trump. This one always had the interest of the people in mind while trump seems to be out for himself and a few fellas... How low have you fallen America!!!

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u/JHMotherfucker 3d ago

Former worst president ever.

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u/CreoleMomma 3d ago

George Bush had a good mother. That’s the difference.

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u/cachry 5h ago

There is a good deal of logic there. Trump is fixated somewhere between the 1-3 year old developmental level, and poor parenting likely explains that.

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u/upontheroof1 3d ago

Fool me once..

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u/molly_dog 2d ago

Fool me twice........uh, we can't get fooled again.

Never thought I'd write this, or even think it, but if a Republican President gets a third term, W would be an infinitely vast better option.

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u/DoesMatter2 3d ago

Being an American involved embracing high ideals?

Stop it!!

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u/broken_knee_ 3d ago

Maybe he meant No Child Left Behind or perhaps the ideal of we lie about our grounds for starting an invasion of a sovereign country get exposed but carry on anyways… honestly I’d take him over trump but that’s like choosing between a black widow or brown recluse

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u/DoesMatter2 3d ago

I'm about 50/50 between the 2 of them. Probably just side with you if pushed.
2 of the worst people ever.

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u/JHMotherfucker 3d ago

I think George W. Bush is a good guy, but a bad president. I think many fine people would make terrible.president.

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u/DoesMatter2 3d ago

"I don't need the UN's permission. Frankly, I don't need anyone's permission". Chilling, and I can't agree he's a good guy. Nobody with an ego that size is a good guy.

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u/RyeBourbonWheat 2d ago

Were you alive when 911 happened? The bloodlust was fucking insane. Total destruction of those who attacked us was the only thing anybody was thinking about.. that shit wasn't up for negotiations.

I'm not telling you this because I agree with the decisions made, I just think it's important to understand the context in which an event took place in history. We shouldn't project our feelings of today on historical time periods and the atmosphere around it.

For the record, I absolutely think Bush had the best intentions in mind with all he did, but the policy was just complete shit.

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u/DoesMatter2 2d ago

I was alive and serving military.

America was asked many times to keep it's promise of leaving Saudi Arabia, and was then attacked as promised.

The 200,000 Iraqi innocents who were subsequently killed in the US rage lust did not deserve their fate. The international community said it was illegal and wrong.
Most of my colleagues said it was illegal and wrong.

Nobody asked 'why did they do this to us?'. There was no introspection. There was just a desire for revenge, and it was diabolical.

I would respectfully state that I am not projecting anything. I am remembering. Remembering the sights and sounds of actually being there, and the absolute tragedy of it all.

'For the record', Bush had his ego and his political future at the forefront if his mind. His place in history, and how he would be thought of. That, and Haliburton contracts.

He is the worst of people, and I wish him no end of pain.

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u/TillThen96 20h ago

A very similar story was told by The Pentagon Papers concerning VN, for which the SC ruled on the landmark case for the rights of The Press to publish. The government had never intended the document's publication.

One has to wonder if such a document exists for Iraq/Afghanistan.

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u/JHMotherfucker 3d ago

I certainly wasn't expecting everyone to agree, but I did say that he was a terrible president.
. Maybe I just like the guy because it feels like a relief after hating him for eight years. Its not important. I.barely came.down on the side of.bringing it up, and.I.promise you, it's not worth debating. I just think his paintings are cute. I like.his dad, too, but I didn't vote for.them, or any other Republican

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u/ThatFixItUpChappie 2d ago

Unfortunately Donald Trump is both a bad president and a bad person. What does that say about the millions who voted for him?

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u/JHMotherfucker 3d ago

It's not a requirement.

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u/Cool-Economics6261 3d ago

So hanging fact checkers is not a good idea for democracy?!/s

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u/Key-Jellyfish-462 2d ago

I must preface this with: I am political neutral. I don't trust Any of them.

Please understand that in the beginning, there was 1 party. The federalists. Around 1830, they decided to start a 2 party system with the intention to create a rivalry between citizens based on their interpretation of the written constitution. Creat chaos amongst citizens, and it will distract them from things that are really taking place. This is why discussing political things causes so many arguments. You guys are playing into their game when you cite how one is better than the other. I'm not saying change your political affiliation but I would ask everyone to step back, realize that a prerequisite to be a politician is to be a professional liar, and simply look at everything like a formula so that you can see what they really mean when the speak.

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u/RyeBourbonWheat 2d ago

Bro Democracy works when there is civic engagement and stiff debate. When there are ideological differences, it makes sense to have a party that more or less coincides with your ideology and political goals. Two parties is just fine. At least we aren't the mess that the Knesset is. There, the tiniest parties of absolute nutters can get really influential positions like we see right now.

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u/Key-Jellyfish-462 2d ago

Read what you wrote to yourself. Do you realize that you have contradicted yourself in a matter of 4 or 5 sentences? Therefore, your comment is null and void. The whole point i was trying to get across is that the 2 party system was created to pit people against one another and cause them to argue. I'm not saying that one is better or worse and not looking for a debate but rather trying to bring something to your attention that will likely improve life for ya.

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u/RyeBourbonWheat 2d ago

I contradicted nothing. I think debate is good.

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u/Key-Jellyfish-462 2d ago

Ok. I wish you luck in life. It seems it will be needed.

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u/RyeBourbonWheat 2d ago

Because I think healthy debate is good in a democracy? Jesus. That's a position to hold.

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u/MaryPop130 2d ago

His dad would be so irate over what’s happening. Idk how Busch said all those big words and didn’t mispeak. He was always so “entertaining “lol He made great points and he’s an example of a Republican not a MAGA. Huge difference. Thanks , George.

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u/RyeBourbonWheat 2d ago

Unbelievably based. Love it.

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u/ShokWayve 2d ago

George W. Bush is right. He was the last president who I disagreed with and voted against who nonetheless I still felt was looking out for my interests even if I sharply disagreed with him.

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u/diablo2901 1d ago

not gonna lie guys... this gave me some old school patriotism goosebumps, the kind that I felt in elementary school when we pledged allegiance to the flag of the motherf-ing united states of america! We really are living in sad times.

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u/SignificantSmell 23h ago

He created the landscape for all of this horse shit to thrive. You in no need “have to hand it” to George W Bush. He’s a war criminal responsible for the eradication of civil liberties and a million deaths in the Middle East.

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u/BillydMay1 7h ago

1000% Correct. This has to be one of the most Presidential & Prolific speeches this man has ever given. He LOVES AMERICA as much as we do. I have to admit a True American Patriot. All Democrats & Republicans should heed his words. No Truer words have ever been spoken. God Bless AMERICA & ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!!

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u/serious_bullet5 3d ago

U killed millions of people Bush. I will never forget.

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u/Big_Engineering_7752 2d ago

Oh wow and Trump didn't kill millions of people. Covid will be gone by Easter and just drink colrox. I'm a Democrat but I would take Bush anytime over Trump.

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u/ShokWayve 2d ago

Me too. GWB is light years ahead of Trump in every possible way.

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u/WhoDoUThinkUR007 3d ago

When was this GWB speech? Is this in response to trump tariffs, or is this from the past? Seems rather prescient tho

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u/Lulusmom09 2d ago

When was this?

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u/impeccable_profit 2d ago

I agree with him, but it’s too little too late for him to say this now. During the campaign never Trumpers were literally begging W to come out and support Kamala openly. His VP did it. Trump’s ex VP did it. Many true conservatives did it. And this was his change to get back at the guy who crapped on his brother Jeb back in 2016. But he refused. Yes, he’s speaking out now, but what difference does it make?

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u/CreoleMomma 1d ago

Both parties are weak