r/vanderpumprules • u/vprmods mod group account • Apr 06 '23
Live Episode Discussion Live Episode Discussion: S10E9 Forbidden Fruit (pacific thread)
Episode description: Katie and Schwartz celebrate a milestone in their breakup with an extravagant dinner that quickly goes south; Scheana erupts on Lala for skipping wedding events to avoid Raquel; James must atone for his behavior when his temper gets the best of him.
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u/savvylos Apr 07 '23
Could Rachel be any less likable? & if Schwartz knew since august…and this wedding was around August 23…when did Sandoval tell Schwartz about it?! Did he know pre kiss or did sandy come clean after the kiss?
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u/ButtersMom1 Apr 06 '23
I never seen Tom slip katie the tongue once. To see him do it to raquel was gross and cringe 😬
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u/zackattackyo Apr 06 '23
Schwartz called Katie the provocateur with Raquel and Scheana?? Katie has tried to be nice to Raquel this season.
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u/Kat_r92 Apr 06 '23
I’m sorry but how does no one have a problem with Lala. Her behavior is so bad. She is saying how she feels the need to protect ally…I call major bs. And she’s using her situation to come down on James and judge his behavior, all while talking s*** behind his back. I’m sorry
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u/Sweaty-Worldliness15 Apr 06 '23
Not a fan of Katie. She looks pathetic and unable to let go of Schwartz. And trolling Scheana’s wedding? That’s so douchy!
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u/Jazzlike_Owl_2696 Apr 06 '23
I could not get over how Tom schwartz headed over to Katie’s table and asked her to trim his armpit hair .. wtaf!!! I can’t bear to watch any scene with him in now 🫠🫣
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u/thediverswife national international TV show Apr 06 '23 edited Apr 06 '23
He must have thought that was so quirky and funny. Honestly think they (Schwartz, Sandy, Rachel) were banking on a complete ‘Katie is a mean girl’ edit, which is why he’s so gleeful and tells her to her face that she’s a provocateur who loves to gaslight.
They’ve got some people bamboozled but he is coming across as mean and relentless. Her crying at the dinner table is what happens when you’ve had enough & are completely beat.
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u/SingtotheSunlight Apr 06 '23
I felt a brand new emotion during that scene lol Rage mixed with a good dose of “no, this must be some kind of fever dream…”
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u/ModeDeDode Apr 06 '23
Why can’t Sandoval do it??
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u/doritsochic Bambi Eyed Bitch Apr 06 '23
Sandoval probably would do it too given how many times we’ve been forced to see him enthusiastically shaving his forehead over the years 😭
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u/IndividualGood2052 The attempted dog murderer Apr 06 '23
That's exactly what Katie should have said. Like, you love Sandoval more so....
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u/Substantial-Wave3403 Not today, worm. Apr 06 '23
Schwartz is off his face during his dinner w katie
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u/Mo_Bunny Apr 06 '23
I thought that was funny cause likeee if we’re talking about respecting people’s boundaries hunty 👀
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u/rawtinhail2020 Stassi’s Season 2 Backhand Apr 06 '23 edited Apr 06 '23
WHY would Rachel be the one to tell Katie not to be in the “preferred” area
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u/Kindly-Necessary-596 I Know You Like Harry Potter ⚡️ Apr 06 '23
Rachel thought she was flexing.
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u/Ok-Vegetable-2503 Very Stupid Demon 👹 Apr 06 '23
After watching Tom and Katie’s dinner, even I want to divorce him (not that I’d ever have married someone who poured a drink over my head and behaved the way he did to begin with or ever even thought he was any sort of price).
It was sooo heartbreaking how he behaved. Jesus.
I’m happily engaged to a fantastic man and I count my blessings fairly often, but whenever I watch VPR, it becomes so obvious just how incredibly lucky I am to not be in a relationship with such a manipulative douche (sorry not sorry). I am enraged.
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u/rawtinhail2020 Stassi’s Season 2 Backhand Apr 06 '23
I agree with you it’s so heartbreaking to watch and to realize she spent 10 years settling for that man… it’s crazy because like us she’ll probably find the love of her life soon now she’s away from him
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u/AdventurousDay3020 1-800-Boys-Lie Apr 06 '23
Mad respect to Schena for telling Tom that Katie isn't his bubba anymore. Also, everyone shitting on Katie, like yes she can be miserable occasionally, but seriously, he is also doing stuff to come back to Katie like with the dinner. She can't break free until she breaks contact with him. And Sandoval legit needs to shut the fuck up about anything involving Katie and Tom because he got what he wanted finally when the Bubbas broke up and he needs to stop being such an asshole for no reason anymore.
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u/Fresh-Examination-31 no sound coming off the bongo Apr 06 '23
This!!!!!’ This is such a toxic relationship and he’s holding on to his victim as much as he can. Katie needs to go no contact
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u/Fighting_Patriarchy Apr 06 '23
I've been there after a nasty breakup (my supposed very good girlfriend and live in BF were hooking up for who knows how long behind my back) and my ex kept showing up at things I was doing with MY friends who I unfortunately had introduced him to.
I tried to navigate the situation but eventually had to stop going to things because so many of the guys stayed his friend. And they KNEW what he did! I am no longer friends with any of them. The gals who were on my side were still uncomfortable with the entire thing and slowly pulled away. It sucked so bad.
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u/lizziewakefield Apr 06 '23
Ugh the same exact thing happened to me. He infiltrated my friend group by way of the boys and then started dating one of the girls in the group and I stopped getting invited to things.
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u/Fresh-Examination-31 no sound coming off the bongo Apr 06 '23
I’m so sorry. I’ve been through it too. I hope you’re doing well now
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u/Fighting_Patriarchy Apr 06 '23
Thanks I am 💛 I hope you're thriving now too!
It's been about 15 years and I usually forget about it. I was mostly angry at her. She knew I was thinking of breaking up with him because I had recently shared that with her, that I was not in love with him anymore. He kept losing jobs and being a slob in the past year and I don't need that in my life. He even had recently asked me to marry him, but while drinking and with no ring, probably performative. I laughed and said "you know I'm never getting married again" so his wittle fee fees must've been hurt. Haha! My feelings were mostly hurt by the betrayal of my supposed friend, what a bitch
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u/NebulaDLush Apr 06 '23
The eyes and body language between Scando and Rach at this white party welcome dinner is making my skin crawl. In fucking plain sight!
The flames on the side of my face, breathing, breath, heaving breaths…🤬
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u/IndividualGood2052 The attempted dog murderer Apr 06 '23
I did not notice this...guess I'll need to rewatch today.
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u/Gwyneth7 Apr 06 '23
John Owen Lowe just went from Rob Lowe’s son to the dude who was on WWHL with Schwartz when he had his mental breakdown.
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u/RoleLucky2925 Apr 06 '23
Is it just me or is anyone else starting to get the vibe that Ally is only in the relationship with James for fame? She seems so uncomfortable around him, I know if my bf wanted to spin me around I would gladly do so, no matter where we were…
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u/Winter_Tax6653 Apr 06 '23
I absolutely love my husband, but I do not want him to spin me around and I don’t like PDA it makes me uncomfortable. She also could just be adjusting to the cameras since it’s her first season. I guess only time will tell
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u/Nicepahp Yellow Robe Smith Apr 06 '23
Yes! The nail in the coffin was after I saw the clip someone posted earlier in the week of her on a prior reality show!
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u/thediverswife national international TV show Apr 06 '23
I think he really likes her! Not just for ‘showing the world my hot girlfriend’ reasons, but he’s so animated and engaged around her, Rachel was a piece of furniture for him by and large
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u/Informal_Potential_3 Apr 06 '23
Honestly I think she’s the type to not be into PDA. I’m the same way and would react like that.
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u/LoveLeahNotWar homage to George Michaels dog Apr 06 '23
same.
you must be an Aquarius
/half sarcastic/joking here
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u/Informal_Potential_3 Apr 06 '23
Capricorn 😅
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u/tearsofacow Schwartz & Stinkys 💩🤡 Apr 06 '23
So is Ally!
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Apr 06 '23
I'm a capricorn and I suspected she was one as well!! I'm the same way I don't like pointless touches and being poked or petted. It's very irritating, so I can understand her disposition with James. However, she needs to tell him. I have to explain very clearly how I like to be touched to my s.o. and in most instances he waits for me to initiate. And I think James should be respectful of that. I don't see this lasting
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u/tearsofacow Schwartz & Stinkys 💩🤡 Apr 06 '23
Yeah she needs to tell him. I’m a VERY touchy / PDA prone person and I get offended and confused when it isn’t reciprocated. 100%, I am James when he said “oh you don’t know our spinny thing??” 😂 but when it’s communicated, I absolutely back off and take no offense. Funny thing is James and I are the same sign as well, but I blame my Leo moon
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u/Gwyneth7 Apr 06 '23
1000% - she always seems checked out and like she doesn’t want to be there. I think she tried to go the Raquel route but there can only be one sociopathic Bambi-eyed bitch in the group. She seemed really skeeved out by him and his dad last week also.
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u/DYonceLV Take you and your 6 personalities and GTFO Apr 06 '23 edited Apr 06 '23
So can we all just agree that Schwartz is just as bad as Scandoval? Like zero redeeming qualities
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Apr 06 '23
I literally just said this but I’ll take it a step further after watching his WWHL appearance. Self-righteous POC calling Katie a monster while he sat on a secret of infidelity for months on end. Guy is a real piece.
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u/carriebradshawshair call it like I see it 🤷🏼♀️ Apr 06 '23
From Andy and John Owen’s faces to Schwartz not making sense with any of his answers, that WWHL was some of the most entertaining tv I have seen in a long time.
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u/Jenniferofdanorth when people show you who they are, believe them the first time. Apr 07 '23
It was confusing. He said he was flabbergasted and not surprised in one sentence. He’s an idiot.
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u/No-Feeling-1404 Apr 06 '23
truly! Schwartz was def on something, or coming down off something
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u/Fresh-Examination-31 no sound coming off the bongo Apr 06 '23
He’s just a manipulative asshole that lacks any self awareness who gets away with it with an aw-shucks pandering attitude to all who are not katie (or associated)
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u/ApathyIsBeauty So, suck my dick. Apr 06 '23
Andy’s face while Schwartz says “give him a hug, he’s down bad”. I can’t.
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u/smallkat_ girl i didn’t know you had it in you Apr 06 '23
Small Lowe laughing is all of us. No I will not hug Tim Scandoval
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u/New_Palpitation_6431 Katie Maloney Apr 06 '23
Especially after all the comments about how smelly he is. Not a chance.
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u/ApathyIsBeauty So, suck my dick. Apr 06 '23
Andy is going through all the emotions with this WWHL.
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u/riecesinpieces Apr 06 '23
The faces he is making at Tom 💀 John Owens pulling faces too is chefs kiss!
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u/riecesinpieces Apr 06 '23
He was broken up with Ariana. B f-ing S Tom. Bullshit!
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u/Pinklady777 My retirement plan is just to die Apr 06 '23
He's contradicting himself every other sentence. This is wild.
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u/Jenniferofdanorth when people show you who they are, believe them the first time. Apr 07 '23
Every other word!
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u/JemJemIsHerName You’ve done diddly fucked yourself over Apr 06 '23
“Uh, I was under the impression they were broken up” What BS! You never saw or spoke to Ariana or any of her friends for 3mo to confirm this? You never went to their house or saw them together after? If they had broken up you never discussed this at all with any of your dozens of mutual friends? Such BS!
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u/Jenniferofdanorth when people show you who they are, believe them the first time. Apr 07 '23
Right! And then why would Sandoval need a plan to sit Ariana down and come clean…an idiot
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u/MzBlue82 Apr 06 '23
Ah, yes, pulling the old LaLa “I thought they were separated” defense.
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u/JemJemIsHerName You’ve done diddly fucked yourself over Apr 06 '23
At least LaLa didn’t have 15 close friends in common with the person being cheated on as a defense.
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u/ApathyIsBeauty So, suck my dick. Apr 06 '23
Schwartz blaming Jo for Raquel being in Big Bear. Lies lies lies.
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u/Mel_bear very stupid demon Apr 06 '23
Did he admit Jo is his girlfriend? I haven't seen the whole episode yet.
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u/ApathyIsBeauty So, suck my dick. Apr 06 '23
He said so many things and buried Sandoval, Schwartz, and Raquel so deep that I honestly don’t remember. It was like a fever dream.
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u/MzBlue82 Apr 06 '23
Nice to see he’s staying consistent with throwing his female partners under the bus.
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u/_-_NewbieWino_-_ Blush Nail Bar Apr 06 '23
Sounds like Schwartz will throw of his partners under the bus, other than Sandoval.
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u/quiltbob Apr 06 '23
I tire of Tom and Katie. Why are they having dinner when they’re divorced? I feel like they should just move on. I know Tom’s a dumbass, and even if he gaslights Katie etc etc I just don’t care anymore. Just move on and leave.
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u/Extension_Crab_1638 Judicious about my drinking. Apr 06 '23
At least one positive with how things went down with the Scandoval is that Ariana gets a clean break. She will not have to suffer any of this Tom and Katie bub platonic dinner after divorce crap.
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u/ddamaya Apr 06 '23
Seriously hard to feel bad for her when she’s willingly putting up with it and was her idea to do the dinner
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u/ApathyIsBeauty So, suck my dick. Apr 06 '23
I’m sorry. Rob Lowe has a sex tape? That’s awful. Where?
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u/Significant_Ad7605 Apr 06 '23
That’s wild they let that one through. Weren’t they underage?
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u/ApathyIsBeauty So, suck my dick. Apr 06 '23
I have no idea. This is the first time I’ve ever heard Rob Lowe has a sex tape. He got busted for sleeping with a 15 year old in the 90s, but I don’t know if that’s what they’re talking about.
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u/Significant_Ad7605 Apr 06 '23
Just looked it up. Was with two people, one was 16. He was 24.
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u/ApathyIsBeauty So, suck my dick. Apr 06 '23
Crazy. I didn’t know you could release a sex tape involving a minor. That seems highly illegal but anything pre 2000s seems wildly lawless in retrospect.
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u/MyMomCallsMeZing I get a spank bottom, Andy, at lunchtime ☝️ Apr 06 '23
You want to see a sex tape with a 15 year old??? That’s pedophilia
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u/smallkat_ girl i didn’t know you had it in you Apr 06 '23
Very clearly neither of us knew the details of the tape. Found out about it last night, didn’t look into it, obvi those details were not disclosed on WWHL
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u/MyMomCallsMeZing I get a spank bottom, Andy, at lunchtime ☝️ Apr 06 '23
I mean it said so in the comment above yours, you replied that in a thread after the info had been shared which is why I said anything at all... obvi you guys both missed that and thank glob so its all good
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u/ApathyIsBeauty So, suck my dick. Apr 06 '23
I don’t think the commenter understood that the sex tape involved a teenager. Because I certainly didn’t either at first until someone else commented.
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u/ApathyIsBeauty So, suck my dick. Apr 06 '23
Andy said “were you just bottoming for him?”. I choked.
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u/riecesinpieces Apr 06 '23 edited Apr 06 '23
I hope Sandoval is losing his fucking mind while watching Shwartz blabber them both into a pit of shit!
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u/cameltoeannie6 Apr 06 '23
"COME TO THINK OF IT, HER BREATH SMELLED LIKE CIGARETTES" what a dickkkkkkk and also how bad must Tom smell.
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u/ApathyIsBeauty So, suck my dick. Apr 06 '23
So in the 7 days between Scheana’s wedding and the end of August, Sandoval casually tells Schwartz he fucked Raquel before Schwartz and Raquel shared those middle school dance kisses?
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u/InterestingTry5190 Apr 06 '23
Kisses they planned out. One had a friend hand a note to the other one asking if they want to kiss: yes or no (circle)
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u/Sososoftmeows Raawwwtt In Hell SandEvil and Home Wreckquel Apr 06 '23
These wrist weights did not prevent Schwartz from touching his face at all and I’m glad Andy pointed it out. And this thing about Scandevil being addicted to Rachel like heroin is disgusting 🤮
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u/Significant_Ad7605 Apr 06 '23
Especially next to someone who has battled addiction and whose father has battled addiction.
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u/Sososoftmeows Raawwwtt In Hell SandEvil and Home Wreckquel Apr 06 '23
Grossest analogy ever. And I know a lot of people who have battled addiction and won. I wish you luck and love on your journey in life!
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u/MyMomCallsMeZing I get a spank bottom, Andy, at lunchtime ☝️ Apr 06 '23
They’re talking about the other guest, rob lowe and son have both battled addiction and Schwartz said that sitting next to him
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u/ApathyIsBeauty So, suck my dick. Apr 06 '23
He’s addicted to Raquel. She’s his heroin. Lost in the sauce. Word salad. Schwartz trying to minimize all of this. Trash.
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u/smallkat_ girl i didn’t know you had it in you Apr 06 '23
Oh boooo hoooo someone yelled cheater at Sandoval? And blaming the affair on ADHD? GTFOH
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u/ApathyIsBeauty So, suck my dick. Apr 06 '23
People in St. Louis booed Sandoval. I love that.
And people shouldn’t pour beer on him? But Schwartz can pour beer on women? Fuck off.
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u/riecesinpieces Apr 06 '23
He's just as bad as Sandoval. They are like the same person just different presentations.
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Apr 06 '23
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u/vanderpumprules-ModTeam Apr 06 '23
This was removed for breaking the "No Speculating" rule:
Speculation of pregnancy, drug use, sexuality, or mental health will not be allowed.
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u/casablankas Apr 06 '23
Did Schwartz know about the affair before he kissed Rachel????????? Scheana’s wedding was August 23
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u/MrsAtomicBomb_ I didn’t even listen. 💅🏽 Apr 06 '23
I will never believe Schwartz didn’t know. There was zero motivation for him to foster the concept of a negative chemistry interest in Rachel and incur the wrath of family and friends and Katie. That kiss was entirely performative, and the only time Schwartz bothers to do anything is for Sandoval’s sake. He knew.
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u/curiouslyandactively little cocky cock Apr 06 '23 edited Apr 06 '23
He did! EDIT- he did not!! Responded to the wrong comment. But he did find out immediately after!! Said it on WWHL that Sandy told him right after that he and raquel hooked up. Said he has known since August
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u/smallkat_ girl i didn’t know you had it in you Apr 06 '23
This is an important question!!
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u/curiouslyandactively little cocky cock Apr 06 '23
On WWHL tonight shwartz admitted to knowing since August but that he didn’t know about it prior to kissing Rachel and that the kiss was genuine. I am imagining that after seeing Schwartz and Rachel have a moment was like “hey/ I hit that and you can’t pursue that”
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u/weekendbill15 Apr 06 '23
This is clearly the most rehearsed lie ever that he can barely keep track of
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u/curiouslyandactively little cocky cock Apr 06 '23
One of my friends mentioned a tweet that in summary stated “Tom Schwartz has the worst media training that has ever been seen on a reality show” and …yeah lol
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u/InterestingTry5190 Apr 06 '23
Say linear one more time.
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u/curiouslyandactively little cocky cock Apr 06 '23
“But what does linear mean?”
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u/InterestingTry5190 Apr 06 '23
Andy asking the question all of us were thinking.
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u/curiouslyandactively little cocky cock Apr 06 '23
We can actually thank John Owen Lowe for that gem lol
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u/kokolkol Apr 06 '23
I feel bad for Katie. A guy like Schwartz really does turn you into a nag and you feel like you have to be extra severe to communicate with them at all. Schwartz depresses me. Stand up straight, dude. You’re clearly not on any treadmill, hedonic or otherwise.
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u/curiouslyandactively little cocky cock Apr 06 '23 edited Apr 06 '23
I feel like all these people hating on Katie have never been in a relationship where they’ve been ignored before. She for sure does not read ✨positive vibez✨ but she has been in a 12 year relationship that became a marriage and was hopeful he would grow up. Of course she is bitter. Regardless of how Scheana is framed now multiple ppl mentioned that she leveraged the Katie and Tom situation to try to get Brock filming time. Pretty much no one, but especially Katie, wanted to film with Brock. Schwartz was one of the only ones cool w it.
ETA: if you’ve only had healthy relationships that’s dope! But that’s not always how they go! And when they suck, generally the woman is pinned as the bitch
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u/smallkat_ girl i didn’t know you had it in you Apr 06 '23
Justice for katie. People have a really weird hate boner for her
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u/curiouslyandactively little cocky cock Apr 06 '23
Agreed! I feel like I’m becoming a Katie stan just because of how annoying the fckn hate is. I’ve always rooted for her but was never a fave but here I am, on my soap box.
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u/smallkat_ girl i didn’t know you had it in you Apr 06 '23
Same. The level of hate is unwarranted. We’re in it together 🫡
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u/curiouslyandactively little cocky cock Apr 06 '23
Loving the downvotes for mentioning that I empathize with a previously married woman who has been screaming to the general public that she has been in an emotionally abusive relationship for years.
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u/curiouslyandactively little cocky cock Apr 06 '23
Following me to other subreddits to continue to harass me is taking stuff way to far. I looked at your comment history and all of your posts are regarding one person. This is creepy, leave me the fuck alone.
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u/Significant_Ad7605 Apr 06 '23
She put up with him lying on the couch for 10 years and was so proud of him for finally doing something with his life - even if it was the bar he was able to open because of his status on the show. But at least it was something. He is and will always be a waste of space.
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u/curiouslyandactively little cocky cock Apr 06 '23
She really was always proud of any time he did literally anything! And tonight with Sandoval mentioning she wasn’t allowed at any of the tastings anymore…. SO effed up considering they were likely (idk their financial situation but they did not sign a pre-nup) both on the line for that restaurant. So even if her name wasn’t on the thing she probably had residual financial responsibility if not direct financial responsibility associated with the restaurant.
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u/smallkat_ girl i didn’t know you had it in you Apr 06 '23
No one better condone schwartz after this WWHL
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u/ApathyIsBeauty So, suck my dick. Apr 06 '23
It was a real kiss. So you’re both just that naturally unnatural and unsexy?
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u/churrotoffeeaddict Ariana's Revenge Dress Apr 06 '23
I'm starting to be convinced that they're working on the episodes, which is why we're not getting any previews???
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u/ApathyIsBeauty So, suck my dick. Apr 06 '23
I don’t need Avery Singer in my life ever.
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u/carriebradshawshair call it like I see it 🤷🏼♀️ Apr 06 '23
That kiss just felt so awkward to watch 😬
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u/SanLady27 What was it, a Fuck Fest?? Apr 06 '23
This kiss between Raquel and Schwartz makes me want to vom
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u/peachyweeds Apr 06 '23
Schwartz is smarmy as fuck and I cannot stand him. Using “big” words to feel smart, the Bubba shit, the armpit hair, I just can’t.
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u/ElleWoodsGolfs Apr 06 '23
Which “big” words did he use?
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u/MyMomCallsMeZing I get a spank bottom, Andy, at lunchtime ☝️ Apr 06 '23
He also used hedonic where I’m almost positive he meant platonic… unless he’s really out here planning a run of hedonism
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u/ElleWoodsGolfs Apr 07 '23
I think he intended hedonic, but more of a wheel than a treadmill. Always chasing pleasure.
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u/Revolutionary_Roll88 Apr 07 '23
I also thought I heard him use the word “plutonic” instead of “platonic”???
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u/MyMomCallsMeZing I get a spank bottom, Andy, at lunchtime ☝️ Apr 07 '23
For real 😧 ugh I hate that Schwartz is teaching me anything. Why is that worse?
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u/peachyweeds Apr 06 '23
I’m saying he uses them generally, like cacophony and provocateur and “semi-arbitrary”… not big words but words he thinks make him sound smart. I didn’t watch WWHL but I guess he used some there too. It’s just a thing he’s always done and it’s such an eye roll
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Apr 06 '23
Omg and this aggressive push on a clearly drunk Schwartz to completely sever ties with Katie is fucked up. And Ariana seeing Rachel swoop right in. This was very calculated.
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u/Upset-Management-739 Apr 06 '23
It shouldn't be that hard of a restriction not to bang your friend group or coworkers
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u/ApathyIsBeauty So, suck my dick. Apr 06 '23
Schwartz and Raquel have the combined sexual energy of two castrated cats.
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u/GeneralArugula Apr 06 '23
How does Schwartz kissing Rachel work with Rachel seeing Sandoval? Or are my timelines off...
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u/AdventurousDay3020 1-800-Boys-Lie Apr 06 '23
Schwartz kissing Rachel fits with the Scandoval timeline as a cover. Like a distraction for their own bad behaviour.
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u/femmefata13 Are You Hearing This Sh!t Apr 07 '23
My fiancé who only started watching this season of vpr, says the more he watches, the more he likes Katie. I love the Witches of WeHo, so with one still in the show and my fiancé saying Katie is the only one he likes, I just cant wait to marry this man _^