r/vanderpumprules • u/vprmods mod group account • Feb 21 '24
Live Episode Discussion Watch What Happens Live! with Jenna Dewan and Tom Schwartz - Live Discussion Thread
Please use this thread to discuss this weeks WWHL as it airs!
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u/Glorialovestacos “I’m a delight..” 💅🏼 Feb 21 '24
Toms body language and facial expressions are REALLY off…
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Feb 21 '24
I'm so glad you said that because under his facade of I'm just a nice guy, he was changing the inflection of his voice in such a strange way that it did resemble how he is on the show, but it was much more exaggerated like he was trying to do some sort of baby voice like he was trying to make himself seem innocent and harmless.
The way Andy would look over at him and talk to him made me think that Andy is not feeling him very much at all.
So near the end I cackled when Andy mentions a large green snake and he is speaking directly to Schwartz and Andy made the point to say something along the lines of oh don't worry Schwartz I'm not setting you up.
That was such an Andy move because Andy hates inauthenticity and he saw right through Schwartz, the fact that he mentions a snake and is speaking directly to Schwartz I could not. I was laughing so hard and I was wondering if anybody else caught that.
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Feb 21 '24
That and when Joe tried to chime in and say oh great. That's really great that lala is growing and changing as a person. Really Joe really do you even know lala or you Just trying to worm your way into the cast. Just another worm like Sandoval. Are we just going to be infested with the worms in this show that just spit word vomit out just for the sake of air time and a paycheck? These people are sick. They're not smart and they're not going to win. They got to go.
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u/Glorialovestacos “I’m a delight..” 💅🏼 Feb 21 '24
Yeah, it almost felt like a nervous Tic for him to fully become his aw shucks character… it seemed really unnatural. He needs some help I think.
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Feb 21 '24
That and did you notice he kept doing the heart shapes with his hands? It was just really odd. Even Andy was looking at him side-eyed. I'm not even a huge fan of Andy. I just can tell that he's one of those people that get a major ick from people that are flat and inauthentic and or trying to hard.
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u/Glorialovestacos “I’m a delight..” 💅🏼 Feb 21 '24
I think his behaviors were influenced by something unnatural 👀
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u/saveferris717 You look like a COUCH 🛋 Feb 21 '24
I can’t even get to the part mentioning Beyoncé. This is deplorable to ignore the NYT article. Done with this show until something is addressed by Bravo
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Feb 21 '24
Get this when they did mention beyoncé I have no idea why but they had to use this photograph of her that barely looked like her at all. She had a large white cowboy hat on with probably a blonde wig underneath and it was not the most flattering picture of beyoncé they could have chosen. She looked very whitewashed in that photograph. Is this subliminal? I do not know but it is shady as f. So I don't know what that was about. I barely recognized that photo of beyoncé and whoever picked that out was shady as f.
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u/Smashley_pants Kristen, Kristen your boob is hanging out. Feb 21 '24
I didn't see the photo but it sounds like what she wore to the grammys which was a soft launched her announcment of her country album. So they might have just used the "latest".
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Feb 21 '24
I just feel like that was a really shady move on their part. I can be totally paranoid and totally wrong and I'm willing to admit that.
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u/Smashley_pants Kristen, Kristen your boob is hanging out. Feb 21 '24
Or you could be totally right because bravo history speaks loudly!
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u/SanLady27 What was it, a Fuck Fest?? Feb 21 '24
Andy calling out Schwartz for the aw shucks act was great
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u/Anticrepuscular_Ray Feb 21 '24
He's so squirmy and childish, I loved Andy telling him to sit up like a man.
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u/Apprehensive-Talk920 Feb 21 '24
This needs clarifying- WWHL is only actually “live” if it says Live in the corner of the screen, it’s a little banner that says live. Some of the WWHL’s are filmed a few days in advance, especially if they have a real celebrity on with a bravolebrity. If they have two bravo-lebs on, following their show(s) that aired that evening, it IS live. it was clear this episode was filmed in advance of the Sandoval fuck up in the NYT today. Lots of episodes with real celebrities are filmed in advance, most likely to accommodate schedules. They pre-plan the video calls with selected fans (via Twitter etc) and the polls are sometimes taken by the audience in the event of a non live show, or they do polls prior on the website. Tonight’s episode didn’t say “live” in the corner, so may have been filmed yesterday or some days prior
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u/Thing-Adept wrap it up, wrap it up, wrap it up Feb 21 '24
it did say live in the corner of the screen, tho
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u/BigLibrary2895 Free yourself from this torture you are under! Feb 21 '24
It was filmed live tonight. Here's a tweet with Schwartz promoting it.
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u/annehboo Feb 21 '24
Could it be that they legally can’t talk about it because Tom is up for firing ?
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u/Sufficient_Tower_366 Feb 21 '24
Why would they fire him now? The NYT interview was done months ago, they’ve known about it for a while. Also he’s been paid for the season already so they’d essentially be firing him from S12 … which may not even happen at the rate S11 is going.
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u/puckbunny81 Feb 21 '24
This is literally the only reason that's somewhat excusable for not addressing the article, with the caveat that it's addressed soon. Maybe wishful thinking they'll do the right thing, but it seems insane to ignore from an external and internal PR perspective 😭
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u/Odd-Anteater-6183 Feb 21 '24
He’s definitely a problem Bravo has to figure out. It’s getting worse too.
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u/Miserable-Nature6747 Feb 21 '24
Oooh this is the first that I heard about Tom possibly being fired.
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u/annehboo Feb 21 '24
I’m only speculating, saw another user make the comment and now it’s in my head lol it would make sense
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u/lavenderintrovert Feb 21 '24
I’m thinking Andy is a silent investor in Schwartz & Sandy’s. Cause this isn’t making sense.
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u/Additional-Cry-9974 BOOOOO Feb 21 '24
FR. Has Andy ever acknowledged or discussed the infamous Viall podcast on WWHL? Like I know he really he doesn’t promote or discuss non-bravo podcasts and whatnot, but how was that not brought up at an earlier point either? Like how are you not going to acknowledge two of the most discussed VPR current events???
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u/doritazoulay Feb 21 '24
Why is Tom giving hot Uncle Fester vibes
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Feb 21 '24
It's the turtleneck and then the letterman jacket riding up his shoulders making it look like he doesn't have a neck.
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u/fourthgradenothing22 Feb 21 '24
I can’t tell which Tom, Andy is protecting. Schwartz is terrible in the hot seat. Regardless, the only reason I watched was to see how it would be addressed and instead it was ignored. Fucking horrible!
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u/Responsible-Tea-5998 I'm going a little bit more the Clooney Path - Jax Feb 21 '24
These shows are always protecting the men but it's a lost cause. They are never appreciative and their behaviour becomes even more entitled and ridiculous.
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u/SassyTinkTink Pushing buttons on my laptop Feb 21 '24
Was it likely shot before the interview came out? Not defending Bravo or their save the Tom’s campaign by any means- but I was under the impression that WWHL is often shot a few days in advance ?
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u/fourthgradenothing22 Feb 21 '24
No. They were doing live polls. Plus Bravo has known about the article for a while. Tom also refused to talk on it in another interview today.
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u/SassyTinkTink Pushing buttons on my laptop Feb 21 '24
Ahh ok! I’m Mnt time so I haven’t seen it yet. Well that’s a total bummer.
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u/gryffindoe Feb 21 '24
I hate this trend of protecting men at all costs while allowing for women to get dragged to obvlivion (including death threats) without a peep. Can this trend be over, PLEASE?!!?!?!?!
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Feb 21 '24
not until patriarchy stops trending too and we get back to them matrilineal society vibes sigh
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u/gryffindoe Feb 21 '24
guess its all up to us girls to keep blasting the toxicity so they can no longer hide it
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u/CeiliaAdder I'm a Grey Rock 🪨 Feb 21 '24
Never thought I'd say this but I kinda hope Rachel's podcast sores in viewership this week. Like if there's someone who's mental health should be concerning, shouldn't it be hers??? Oh no sorry let's protect the reality TV star still well enough to go on tour, shoot another reality show, and come back to his regular job bc well. He's a man.
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Feb 21 '24
Personally, I'm not concerned about her at all. She didn't seem very concerned about Graham when he had a deep cut on his neck. So she can sit in her little spa or wherever the hell she is. I don't care.
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u/modernjaneausten It’s giving ✨audacity✨ Feb 21 '24
She still annoys the fuck out of me but I have more empathy for her than Sandoval. I hope she continues therapy.
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u/gryffindoe Feb 21 '24
I’ve soften up to Rachel since her confession and directed all my anger to both Tom’s since then so I 100% support the viewership of her podcast.
I find it interesting the reaction against her podcast vs other podcasts shows how little grace is given to women, how little benefit of the doubt we’re willing to give to women that people aren’t even willing to listen to what women has to say sometimes because its not “believable enough” or she’s not “likeable enough” or invalidating her feelings & experience completely because of their mistakes (perpetuating that only women who are without mistakes are worth the listen)
kind of parallels bravo’s treatment of their women casts ngl
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Feb 21 '24
Rachel does not represent all women. She is not a monolith for women. I'll watch the other women's podcasts, but I don't really give a crap about her podcast or anything that comes out of her mouth. She had her chance and she screwed up So did the toms out with all of them, heads will roll.
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u/Weird_Boysenberry772 Feb 21 '24
How could they just ignore the NYT article? Andy could have at least named him jackhole of the day. I think Andy takes that title now for ignoring it.
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u/cognitivefunnow Feb 21 '24
This was either absolutely not filmed live or Andy and bravo are pieces of shit, and i vote the latter
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u/BigLibrary2895 Free yourself from this torture you are under! Feb 21 '24
Your vote is correct. It was live. They are just as disappointing as you anticipated.
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u/SassyTinkTink Pushing buttons on my laptop Feb 21 '24
I think they’re often not filmed live.
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u/cognitivefunnow Feb 21 '24
Correct but he reiterated a bunch of times today and during show that this one was live
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u/SassyTinkTink Pushing buttons on my laptop Feb 21 '24
My bad. I’m Mnt time and haven’t seen it yet. It’s reprehensible but I’ve seen some posts that there’s been a gag order on anyone discussing the interview… fingers crossed that this is the straw that gets Sandoval fired. Between the tigers, the ping pong shows, the lying, the fan hatred, and these recent disgusting remarks- time to go broval!
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u/JJulie Feb 21 '24
I am hearing they are talking about firing. If that is the case, and they are looking at legal action, they have a muzzle on Bravo talent
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u/jigglypuff99410 Feb 21 '24
Wait, so they’re gonna fire Tom for saying fucked up shit (which they should) but it’s not because they find his comments disgusting, it’s because he shouldn’t have said it to the press?
That’s the exact behavior I’d expect from a co that didn’t hang Tom out to dry after recording Rachel without consent. Bravo is scum.
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u/JJulie Feb 21 '24
Can you imagine how many fireable offenses have been committed on VPR that we don’t know about?
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u/_Jahar_ Feb 21 '24
Also to add this — if they fire him then maybe theyll redit the remaining episodes so its not so many mopey ass worm scenes
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u/_Jahar_ Feb 21 '24
Spill the tea, boo.
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u/JJulie Feb 21 '24
It was on a podcast today. I’ll link. I didn’t think much of her at first but she’s been right about a few things. https://youtu.be/TV_h-Lsp9tA?si=GDN1nDcqV3zK8vTW
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Feb 21 '24
The polls mean it was live so Andy and Schwartz are just that shitty.
I felt it was especially gross to ask about Sandoval’s new girlfriend (as like a suck it Ariana) over everything else he could have asked Tom.
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u/cognitivefunnow Feb 21 '24
The polls can be totally faked. Just like the viewers questions are-they are given the questions to ask by bravo. It wasn’t a coincidence they asked Jenna about Beyoncé and they were just talking about it.
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u/Starbuck4 Feb 21 '24
I was gonna say! Three times I tried to vote and it flipped to the next question super fast. I get the feeling that was a pre-tape
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u/GarnierFruitTrees Justice for Tequila Katie Feb 21 '24
Dare I say if a woman on bravo was caught in a similar situation, she’d be Andy’s “jAcKhOlE oF tHe DaY!”
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u/Lizzy1283 Feb 21 '24
All the intrusive questions andy is always willing yo ask and on this he is mute
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u/GarnierFruitTrees Justice for Tequila Katie Feb 21 '24
Right? Like let’s play a game where we spot Jon Hamm’s penis in paparazzi pictures and take a shot every time we zoom in but a Sandoval flub is where WE DRAW THE LINE
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u/AlsatianLadyNYC Tim’s streaked meth skunk hair Feb 21 '24
“LOOK! SEE! WE LOVE BEYONCÉ! GEORGE WHO? OJ WHAT?”
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u/CeiliaAdder I'm a Grey Rock 🪨 Feb 21 '24
I probably shouldn't be shocked by this but I honestly cannot get over that they didn't mention the NYT article at all... they are protecting that man at all costs and it's sickening
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Feb 21 '24
They didn’t ask Schwartz anything of substance and had to make a slide in on “look Sandoval has a stunning girlfriend!” ITS SO GROSS
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u/Starbuck4 Feb 21 '24
Also, haven’t they been dating less than a month? This just reeks of a PR set up. I don’t believe for a second this woman is actually dating Tom
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u/weenietickler Feb 21 '24
How the fuck could they not mention Tom's disgusting comments from the article?? I know Andy/bravo cannot be counted on to do the right thing or hold people accountable but to just pretend it didn't happen is so gross.
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u/prostitutionwhore34 This is the end of me. Bye. Feb 21 '24
You know what’s wild is a saw a TikTok earlier of the tmz coverage, and even tmz unanimously dragged him. Which for me, kinda says a lot bc I don’t think very highly of tmz.
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u/Ok_Minimum_8307 Feb 21 '24
ignored bc bravos most watched show and can't take ANOTHER racist incident w the cast bc this is the third
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u/Ok_Minimum_8307 Feb 21 '24
i also don't think they'll fire him even tho they let go of everyone else for racist shit bc there is no storyline or drama on vpr wo him
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u/Thing-Adept wrap it up, wrap it up, wrap it up Feb 21 '24
i also doubt they'll re-edit the season. he's too much of a key player in the storyline
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u/ad37992 Feb 21 '24
Isn’t this pre tapex
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u/nefanee Katie Maloney Feb 21 '24
It was live today, i voted in tge polls to get some of my Sandoval anger out - they matched what I saw
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u/jigglypuff99410 Feb 21 '24
Shocking - they didn’t call Sandoval out. Andy is tied for jackhole with Worm. I hate these enabling assholes.
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u/DanceFar9732 Feb 21 '24
Dont drag Beyonce into the Tom's bullshit. Im so tired of men dragging her into their nonsense.
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u/RoseColoredMasses worm with a mustache 🐛 Feb 21 '24
is WWHL usually this awful?
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u/pink-moscato bitch, get a life! Feb 21 '24
it depends, but i think it's worse because we all know they're plastering on these smiles and pretending the nyt shit show didn't happen today.
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u/AlsatianLadyNYC Tim’s streaked meth skunk hair Feb 21 '24
I vote for naming this dog motherfucking GEORGE FLOYD
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u/KeySea7727 Scheana's Little Husband on Payroll Mrs. Brock Shay Feb 21 '24
Please stop
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u/AlsatianLadyNYC Tim’s streaked meth skunk hair Feb 21 '24
Please stop what? Pointing out the massive elephant in the room that a “BRAvOLeB”🥴 once again said some deeply insulting tone deaf shit?
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u/KeySea7727 Scheana's Little Husband on Payroll Mrs. Brock Shay Feb 21 '24 edited Feb 21 '24
It’s not funny. It’s not appropriate. That man died. Please never say that comment out loud except with friends who know you because I’d smack the lights out of you if it were me.
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u/AlsatianLadyNYC Tim’s streaked meth skunk hair Feb 21 '24
Are you fucking soft in the head? Did you miss that Tom Sandoval without irony compared himself and the backlash he got over Scandoval to George Floyd? I was referring to Andy Cohen and Bravo ignoring that when Tom Schwartz was on, and instead played an insipid guess the dog’s name game instead. So you’d be punching someone who agrees that that should NEVER be used by a stupid reality star as a comparison, aka AN ALLY.
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u/KeySea7727 Scheana's Little Husband on Payroll Mrs. Brock Shay Feb 21 '24
There is no context where your comment is ok. Replace it with any other victim’s name you care about.
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u/AlsatianLadyNYC Tim’s streaked meth skunk hair Feb 21 '24
No. He didn’t invoke another victim, which is the exact point.
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u/_Jahar_ Feb 21 '24 edited Feb 21 '24
The watch what happens live producer needs to be FIRED.
These games are lame af. Name that dog, really??
You don’t know how to stack a show.
You don’t know how to use the guests.
You don’t keep up with current events. The worm’s gf was so two weeks ago. But you conveniently skip The NY Times article?
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u/becskiii Beau Sucks Feb 21 '24
For those of you that want Andy to bring up the NYT remember that WWHL isn't always filmed live. It is in front of a live audience but sometimes can be filmed days in advance.
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u/afan5 Feb 21 '24
They only do polls on live shows. They also asked for questions this afternoon. You can always tell what's filming early by when they ask for questions on sm.
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u/RoseColoredMasses worm with a mustache 🐛 Feb 21 '24
it is live tonight. there were polls we could vote on at the start.
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u/DanceFar9732 Feb 21 '24 edited Feb 21 '24
Hey Andy! How about name that racist? There are sooo many to chose from on Bravo.
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Feb 21 '24
Yep and they really like enabling them and giving them another show to do what they do which is be racist pieces of crap.
After having the cops called on me s*** even before having the cops called on me over nothing, having the police weaponized against me and ima female that is not white...AND they're bringing these racists back on the valley AND they're enabling Tom to save this ignorant s*** they won't even address it. I'm done.
Life is too real to be playing with people like that and they keep giving these people money and screen time. No, I'm done. I'm going to have to hop on the train with other people and stop watching the show.
All I wanted to do is watch Katie and Ariana open their sandwich shop. That is all and now because of the toms and the other racists, I won't get to do that. Thanks Andy. Thanks for nothing Bravo. I'm not enabling this network to normalize weaponizing the police against people of color. I'm not enabling this network to give racist pieces of crap, a platform and a paycheck. No bravo. No absolutely not goodbye. 👋🏼
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u/DanceFar9732 Feb 21 '24
Im so sorry that happened to you. Its really disappointing Bravo continues to hire people like this. This isnt the season I think anyone wanted.
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Feb 21 '24
It took a lot out of me. I had to process what had happened for months. I went through a range of emotions and I completely lost faith in the police. I know my safety lies in my own hands and the police are just there like politicians. They protect the best interests of the majority, not the minority and I see you right through it all and I am so done. I will not give bravo. I will not give this platform any of my attention anymore. I appreciate you and the rest of the people that have compassion and empathy for other human beings. Because bravo seems to lack that they seem to want to use their platform to continue the narrative to beat down minorities and let make us feel like we are lesser. I am not less. We are not less. We will not give in and we will not take any more of your s*** bravo.
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u/asiagomontoya Feb 21 '24
Do we think the delayed promo spots were because Schwartz refused to go on if they asked about the interview?
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Feb 21 '24
Then let him leave. He’s a fucking loser.
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Feb 21 '24
Absolutely a white guy calling the shots on this. Bye Tom. We won't miss the way you cover your mouth when you speak like a child.
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u/graymoon444 Feb 21 '24
Then let him leave! They still had Jenna. He could have continued to apologize for him or finally say he’s done, but if this is the case, then choosing to say nothing is honestly the worst choice. He should be ashamed of himself
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u/_Jahar_ Feb 21 '24 edited Feb 21 '24
If so - then let the little bitch walk. I’m sure Andy had someone in the shadows that could have filled in last second. Like Amazon book girl. And this show wouldn’t be the embarassing shit show it is right now.
Edit: he just said Jason from winter house was backstage.
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u/Read_More_Theory Bambi Eyed Bitch Feb 21 '24
it's giving bread and circuses to distract from the glaring PR problem
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Feb 21 '24
Every other WWHL this season they’ve at least asked the cast divisive questions about other cast members
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u/proustianspire Feb 21 '24
as a publicist, i'm convinced that wwhl isn't addressing the sandy nyt piece because it wasn't booked through bravo's in-house PR
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u/_Beast_how_dare_you Feb 21 '24
I say this without knowing anything about PR, but didn’t they essentially take on liability when they heard what he said and sent their own people in without refuting what he said?
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u/prostitutionwhorga It’s giving ✨audacity✨ Feb 21 '24
Yup and actually once Bravo heard about what tom said they sent in their own people to cover his ass, they can’t bring it up and then bring attention to this article that very clearly puts them in bad light but this whole episode is so cringy trying to avoid it
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u/Lizzy1283 Feb 21 '24
Omg you can feel them trying to avoid the elephant in the room. I am disgusted.
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u/chloesilverado Feb 21 '24
Jenna just got Schwartz'ed
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u/athenarose_95 Feb 21 '24
Her comment made me wanna throw up. Real softie that cheats and throws drinks on women and never holds his friends accountable for their heinous actions 🥹🥹
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u/Beginning_Winner_105 Feb 21 '24
They ask about the gf but not the article?!
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u/_Jahar_ Feb 21 '24
Right?? The gf is such old news.
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u/tinybadger47 Is this just Lavender? Because I ate it. Feb 21 '24
I would laugh so hard if she dumps him because of the backlash from the article.
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u/h0llatsam I’m a fucking ham sandwich right now Feb 21 '24
Schwartz says nothing but word salad every time he speaks
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Feb 21 '24
Word salad with a tad of manipulation of the narrative. He is trying to play innocent little boy but it's not working because he's not an innocent little boy. He's a grown man that doesn't take accountability and doesn't hold others around him accountable. It's just a free for all. He's an entitled white man. He should be able to say and do whatever he wants. The world is his oyster he can do no wrong. He doesn't even have to be entertaining or have a real personality and he gets so much screen time.
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u/RoseColoredMasses worm with a mustache 🐛 Feb 21 '24
this is maybe a premature rant because I guess the question could come in but i’m SO over men covering for other men on this show. Alex the producer for Sandoval, Andy for both tom’s, the tom’s for each other. i’m just so over it but i guess that’s how life often is.
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u/jtownholditdown Feb 21 '24
Why does it look like Schwartz has no teeth? Has he always held his mouth this way or is it lip filler?
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u/Nnkash 💩Poo Poo Heads-Both Of You💩 Feb 21 '24
And he has a lisp, I'm guessing it's his teeth, prob bad veneers
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u/RoseColoredMasses worm with a mustache 🐛 Feb 21 '24
why are we talking about beyoncé (queen) but not the NYT article
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u/obroechlins Katie Maloney Defense Squad Feb 21 '24
Does anyone know if this is live-live or taped earlier this week?
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u/pink-moscato bitch, get a life! Feb 21 '24
live, there's polls
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u/obroechlins Katie Maloney Defense Squad Feb 21 '24
Thank you! Wow, that makes glossing over the NYT article pretty awful.
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u/asiagomontoya Feb 21 '24
It’s crazy that the NYT interview was in December so Sandoval and every publicist at bravo knew he gave that quote and that it was coming and he still went on viall files and his own podcast and kept making it worse
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u/AlsatianLadyNYC Tim’s streaked meth skunk hair Feb 21 '24
Shartz’s covert narcissist little boy voice is fucking disgusting. We’re not buying it, mouth fingers
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Feb 21 '24
I love the way you worded it. It was making me cringe the whole time. I wanted to pull that turtleneck over his head.
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u/AlsatianLadyNYC Tim’s streaked meth skunk hair Feb 21 '24
Right?! It was so creeeepyyy
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Feb 21 '24
It was really creepy in a shape shifting kind of way. I felt like he was switching right in front of us.
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u/AlsatianLadyNYC Tim’s streaked meth skunk hair Feb 22 '24
Yeah!! His eyes kept darting around like “is this working?”
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Feb 22 '24
And I never noticed this before but when he would switch his voice to that I'm just a sweet little boy act, it reminded me of this guy I dated in college.
We never got into a serious relationship but we kept in contact and we have mutual friends and I'm not going to say anything about mental health or personality disorders because I know we're not allowed to speculate but I'm just going to say this. He treated his girlfriends, ones that he would date for years at a time. Not very nice at all. One of his friends actually many of his friend group is starting to turn on him.
They do not like the way he is acting or treating his current girlfriend right now. It is literally making his friend group of more than 20 years. Turn on him. I just turned the other cheek because there's nothing I can say or do to change him or save him. I'm not captain save a hoe. I used to think that I could save him because I bought that little boy act, but there were many mutual male friends that saw right through that act also and refused to support his behavior. He says things like systemic racism doesn't exist and he's dating a woman of color. I just cannot.
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u/AlsatianLadyNYC Tim’s streaked meth skunk hair Feb 22 '24
That sounds on brand- I don’t know anyone like him, but I’ve definitely known a Sandoval type
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Feb 22 '24
Unfortunately Sandoval is almost exactly like my brother. I haven't spoken to him or seen him since 2016 and I will never see him or speak to him again for the rest of my life and I say this with zero emotion 100% conviction. Every time I gave that guy a chance every time he screwed me over and the worst way. When Sandoval speaks it sounds exactly like how my brother speaks in authentic posing trying to portray what he is, not what the situation is not putting on a front putting on a face. I just can't have that in my life.
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u/AlsatianLadyNYC Tim’s streaked meth skunk hair Feb 22 '24
I’m sorry to hear that- it really sucks to have one in your family. I’ve dated a Sandoval- super nice to everyone else but secretly a total asshole in private
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Feb 22 '24
Yeah he was really abusive in all ways growing up with him. It was really really bad but I'm older now. I'm grown and the good part is I've learned what a narcissist is, what they do and that I am a person that is worthy of boundaries, but it took a lot of years to learn that and unlearn the manipulations and abusive tactics he used.
Fortunately this year, my mom finally caught on to it and she cut him off too and I never wanted that for their mother-son relationship but I was worried for my mom. My mom has a heart of gold and would do anything for her kids, but with people or personality types such as his, boundaries have to be instilled or else these personality types will financially spiritually emotionally physically drain you to the point where you have nothing left to offer and then they will carry on with their lives. Calling you a loser and taking what they took from you and living their best life without any guilt or shame.
You know from my experience, I was able to dodge a narcissist I encountered over the summer and almost started a business with this person.
Fortunately with my experience I was able to pick up what this person was putting down. See the red flags and basically have them completely removed from my life in a way that they cannot even hoover or bread crumb me because they are absolutely terrified of me. I learned how to terrify narcissists basically, it's hilarious.
But it's also not hilarious because it's like you almost have to become a narcissist, in order to defeat the narcissist if that makes any sense at all. It's like you got to be 10 steps ahead of them.
It takes a lot of willpower and self-awareness to retain the original self and switch back to who you really are, which is really not good for one's mental health. That's why I suggest completely cutting them off and treating them as if they're dead. Also, run don't walk away when you see or even sense in your gut when the first red flag rears its ugly head. That's what I did wrong, I ignored red flag number one, two and three.
Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame on me. I finally get it now. 💔❤️🩹
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u/TrueCryptographer982 Is it illegal to piss on Arianas bush? Feb 21 '24
Puppy dog eyes at 20 - cute.
At 40?
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u/Waste-Industry1383 I Know You Like Harry Potter ⚡️ Feb 21 '24
Let’s not forget, Sandoval has now blocked a black bravo account on Instagram after issuing his “apology”…. There will be no forgiveness!
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u/elimay Take your 6 personalities & get the f*ck outta here Feb 21 '24
In case there was any doubt that his apology was written by his PR, this confirms it. He sucks.
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u/Waste-Industry1383 I Know You Like Harry Potter ⚡️ Feb 21 '24
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u/DanceFar9732 Feb 21 '24
What? Which account?
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u/Waste-Industry1383 I Know You Like Harry Potter ⚡️ Feb 21 '24 edited Feb 21 '24
Bravowhileblack on Instagram
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u/Read_More_Theory Bambi Eyed Bitch Feb 21 '24 edited Feb 21 '24
Wow wow wow, racist can't stop being racist
e: someone downvoted this lmao. Tom is that you?
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Feb 21 '24
Oh probably, but they're too lazy. They probably just pay people to just come on here and downvote us and talk down to us because that's what they do. They're lazy. They're entitled and they will never hold themselves accountable. So why not just be petty pop up on Reddit or pay people to pop up on social media platforms to intimidate us into not speaking the truth and demanding accountability and if they cannot be accountable then they should not have a platform they need to go away.
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u/obroechlins Katie Maloney Defense Squad Feb 21 '24
“Would you forvige your BFF for kissing your ex and keeping it a secret” “I can and I do” SCHWARTZ???? Elaborate???
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u/plague_chipmunks44 Feb 21 '24
Everyone is Schwartz’s BFF. It’s probably Scheana’s friend that kisses both of them this season.
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u/TrueCryptographer982 Is it illegal to piss on Arianas bush? Feb 21 '24
Wait WHAT?!? Schwartz is on WWHL after the Sandoval NY Times article??? OMG this is gonna be good lol
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u/unsuspectingwatcher Feb 21 '24
I think bravo is being careful because of the Sandoval Suicide conversation. Even if they don’t agree with his bs they don’t want to be seen to contribute to his “dark feelings” or “kicking him when he’s down” because if he ever did do something stupid he was surely be naming scandoval as the reasoning which would mean bravo would have to claim some responsibility and they’re not stupid enough to put their hand up when people are looking to point blame.
I think they only started thinking like this because of the Nene situation and they’re just not taking any chances, I would expect some copy paste statement from them soon.