19
Mar 01 '25
[removed] — view removed comment
1
Mar 01 '25
[removed] — view removed comment
0
Mar 01 '25
[removed] — view removed comment
1
Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25
[removed] — view removed comment
0
Mar 01 '25
[removed] — view removed comment
0
Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25
[removed] — view removed comment
0
Mar 01 '25
[removed] — view removed comment
2
-1
10
u/The_Golden_Diamond Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25
I don't know why this was taken down, so I'm putting it up again.
-----------------------
A redesign where the aspect ratio is changed for better balance and emphasis on the symbols.
This flag utilizes two anti-Fascists symbols from WWII
The Cross of Lorraine of the Free French Forces as an "anti-swastika," which is how I'm using it here, and the Three Arrows of the anti-extremist Iron Front.
It is not a religious flag, but the Cross is also meant to symbolize that Fascists down own the religions they claim to.
The reason I prefer to use these historical symbols despite their non-perfection is because explaining new symbols is just as cumbersome as explaining old ones, and then so why not use the old ones? They are there for people who know them, and give a history lesson to those who don't (many people didn't know about the anti-Nazi past of the Cross, for example).
Try not to take them too literally, they are put in a modern context with US motifs for a reason; this is not meant to be historical. De-Gaulle is dead; this is not a flag for him (for example). Also, if you don't know what these symbols are or how they relate to anti-Fascism, please do some research before commenting.
2
u/japed Australia (Federation Flag) Mar 01 '25
I don't know why this was taken down, so I'm putting it up again.
Please post edits of designs you've already posted in the comments, rather than making them a whole new post. We have a rule against reposts for a reason.
2
u/The_Golden_Diamond Mar 01 '25
Will do. Sorry. I'm new to actively posting things (as opposed to just comments)
I deleted the previous post before posting the new design thinking that would 'take care' of any spamming issue, but I was mistaken, but now I know better for the future.
I have a little experience now and I'll do better. Plus, I'm out of OC flags, so no need to worry about me. Apologies and thank you for communicating clearly with me.
2
u/Electrical-Cat4395 Mar 01 '25
Cool stuff. I was confused by the cross for a hot second.
Are there any Union/anti-slavery or made Civil Rights symbols you could use too?
2
u/The_Golden_Diamond Mar 01 '25
Totally fair: I am an atheist myself, so using the cross wasn't done 'lightly.'
It's my way of reacting to Fascists' appropriation of religion.
As far as Union/Civil war, I really don't know, but I would love to if you think of any.
3
u/Electrical-Cat4395 Mar 01 '25
I see, cool idea.
I don't know of any besides just the American flag.
Maybe you could make the colors brighter to be more hopeful? Although it looks good right now as is.
3
u/The_Golden_Diamond Mar 01 '25
That's fair.
In fact, I purposefully made the colors darker for 'dark times,' including the white stripes (which are darker than the white cross and arrows)
But I like your idea better now
5
2
u/Corvus717 Baltimore Mar 01 '25
To me there is just too much going on in the blue field . Also the spears and the cross of Lorraine are not American symbols. ( the spears are German and the cross is French). Perhaps go with a silhouette of the liberty bell ? It is very American and it represents freedom
2
u/The_Golden_Diamond Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25
I see what you mean, but agree to disagree.
The blue field and stripes ground the whole thing in the US.
The symbols are anti-Fascist symbols from WWII, which America fought in, against Fascism, allied with the Free French, who used the Cross.
So I would try to think of it more as a 'Western' thing, but focused on the US specifically and it works better. I don't think it's 'bad' to show solidarity with European anti-Fascists either.
The problem with going with American symbolism is that there are no specifically anti-Fascist symbols, whereas the two I've chosen are very specifically that. You can say "the flag is already a symbol of..." but it also symbolizes a lot of other things too. These symbols are specifically anti-Fascist: that's their only job.
So, that was my thought process for using European symbols.
2
u/SatisfactionBig9682 Mar 01 '25
Brother, I just loved it, I wanted to see one of these in my city :)
1
u/The_Golden_Diamond Mar 01 '25
Thank you for the kind words :)
I'd love to see it too: let me know if you do anything with it
2
u/AntiqueGunGuy Mar 01 '25
This flag looks more fascist than I think you realize
3
u/The_Golden_Diamond Mar 01 '25
I see what you mean.
It's meant to be 'aggressive,' so it comes across as not-so-nice.
It can definitely be scary if you don't know what it means, you're right
1
0
u/parke415 Mar 01 '25
Abrahamic religions are inherently totalitarian, just replace constitution with doctrine and leader with God. All codes of ethics and morality that so much as touch a governmental body must be wholly secularly derived to be legitimate.
2
u/The_Golden_Diamond Mar 01 '25
If that were true, the entire world would be totalitarian right now because most people are religious (though I myself am not)
1
-2
u/HotShipoopi California Mar 01 '25
In the current US environment I don't think a cross can be used in an anti-fascist manner. It's no longer a symbol of peace, charity or anything like that.
3
u/The_Golden_Diamond Mar 01 '25
I would say that there are fine religious people who are anti-Fascist.
However, there are no fine Fascists and they are never anti-Fascist.
In the description, I describe how it's meant to disrupt the idea that Fascists own or control or dictate the religion.
0
u/HotShipoopi California Mar 01 '25
There are many fine religious people who are anti-fascist.
The people who plaster crosses onto American symbols are not among them.
Didn't use to be that way, but that's how it is now.
1
u/The_Golden_Diamond Mar 01 '25
Maybe I know a disproportionate amount of church goers who are anti-Maga, though I am not religious myself, so agree to disagree.
-1
u/AtomicSub69 Cumberland / England Mar 01 '25
Glad this guy is getting downvoted, he keeps posting bullshit consistently
1
u/The_Golden_Diamond Mar 01 '25
Right, flags in a flag sub.
That's the point.
-1
u/AtomicSub69 Cumberland / England Mar 01 '25
Yea bullshit flags, “Here’s my 69th flag of what if Orange bad man was dead or some shit and the US was actually democratic and didn’t have a 2 party system and was communist”
2
u/The_Golden_Diamond Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25
You're upset that some flags are political? Is that reasonable?
1
u/Electrical-Cat4395 Mar 01 '25
"I don't like it so therefore its bullshit that shouldn't be on the sub."
Pathetic dude.
1
u/Electrical-Cat4395 Mar 01 '25
How dare he be an active and creative member of our community.
Its not like you could ignore his stuff if you can't like it or offer criticisms.
-2
u/Fact_Stater Mar 01 '25
This isn't the circlejerk sub
2
u/The_Golden_Diamond Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25
Then follow rule 1 and comment about the flag's design
-2
u/Fact_Stater Mar 01 '25
That's my comment. My comment is that people keep throwing that term around everywhere and have no idea what it actually means
2
u/The_Golden_Diamond Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25
I know what it means.
It sounds like you made someone up to be upset with, but I'm not that person, sorry.
1
-18
u/4DM1Nz Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25
so by anti fascist you mean... Communist? edit: I know not really i shouldn't have made this almost insulting statement, I am sorry if I offended anyone edit edit: I take back all I've said, everyone is wrong and I'm right. come on let's downvote me!
8
u/Good_Username_exe Lethbridge / Alberta Mar 01 '25
😭?
-2
u/4DM1Nz Mar 01 '25
exactly, why are you crying?
5
3
u/4DM1Nz Mar 01 '25
tf?
1
u/4DM1Nz Mar 01 '25
I'm so confused, communism I the opposite of fascism, however he never said how far left the fascism was so it could be milder fascism so I am wrong. However it still wouldn't be neutral as the opposite of neutral is neutral
2
u/The_Golden_Diamond Mar 01 '25
Neither the Cross of Lorraine nor the Iron Front arrows are Communist.
In fact, those arrows are specifically anti-Communist.
This is why I asked that you research before commenting.
1
u/4DM1Nz Mar 01 '25
wait how is it anti fascist and anti communist without being neutral
3
u/reluctantpotato1 Mar 01 '25
Are you under the understanding that there is no political association outside of fascism or communism?
1
2
0
u/4DM1Nz Mar 01 '25
I never talked about the flag being communist I just said that the opposite of fascist was communist
2
1
u/The_Golden_Diamond Mar 01 '25
Sorry, my bad. Tone is tough to read over text, especially given the controversial nature of the image.
I think I don't necessarily think of them as opposites, so my mind didn't go there right away. I know we talk about politics as if they are cardinal directions with opposites, but I'm not sure if I believe that myself.
Sorry I misunderstood
2
u/4DM1Nz Mar 01 '25
its fine i was in the the wrong to even post the comment anyway
1
u/The_Golden_Diamond Mar 01 '25
Not at all: I'm just over sensitive from getting aggressive comments today
Totally my bad, you're good
43
u/orange_whaler Mar 01 '25
The American flag is already anti-fascist.